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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
January 15 2012 00:57 GMT
#4741
ForGG's play against Leenock wasn't too bad. The second game he made a disastrous strategy choice, but he probably just did not anticipate Leenock's response. It doesn't say too much about skill. In the first game he played very well, but was a bit too passive. I will say that from watching his stream it doesn't seem like he ever progresses to the late-game, so I think he didn't have enough experience. His overall mechanics and micro are still amazing though and maybe it's not fair to expect him to instantly do well his first time against top tier competition. MVP and MC lost badly in their first GSL's too.

Also, ForGG still is not an absolute top Brood War player, Artosis said MVP was better at Brood War by the time SC2 came out. And well, in a couple years time - assuming new Korean RTS talent starts playing SC2 rather than BW - there will be a new Flash/Jaedong for SC2. Players like Nada, Nal-Ra, oov, Savior were very good in their prime and were eventually surpassed as well by Bisu/Flash/Jaedong. Maybe next year a new player will come with even more talent than MVP.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Nightshade_
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States549 Posts
January 15 2012 16:45 GMT
#4742
Guys, FoRGG just won a game on ladder, the death of the current SC2 proscene is imminent. Where if your FoRGGod now?
Lil' Joey, Master of the A-Move Stalker Strike Force
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 16 2012 03:09 GMT
#4743
You guys talking about ForGG like he is a god or something lol
That MSL in which he won against Flash, Kal and Jaedong, he did it through extreme calculating timing pushes. Outside of studying his opponents and exploiting their weakness to abuse it as much as possible, ForGG's mechanics is just your average a teamer
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
January 16 2012 03:12 GMT
#4744
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
January 16 2012 03:24 GMT
#4745
this is the tim tebow of esports.
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
January 16 2012 03:32 GMT
#4746
With the exception of MVP what A-teamers have come over and dominated though?

Nestea/MC/MMA were not that calibre of BW player and they have done incredibly well.
ForGG is doing well but he's not as good as the others yet, if we take into account how long it took MVP to become relevant (4 seasons?) we can only assume that BW A-teamers are not going to steamroll the SC2 scene as predicted. Is the game's simplicity in comparison to blame? We could be seeing such things as macro being a given now and not the cornerstone of a great player but further their decisions in battle/strategic sense. Maybe that did not shine well as much for some players in BW?

Basicly, we haven't seen anything to suggest yet that the BW players are going to steamroll the scene. Until we actually see them switch "AND" (that's a huge AND) dominate beyond showing good games it's just ignorant to assume such things.

Basicly from what I've seen, because MVP is considered #1 (but has a few people right on his heels) and he wasn't the best BW player in the world people are assuming any BW pro could switch over and win GSL immediately without even trying. While the games share alot of similarities we really can't assume anything. And it's also a bit offensive how the BW community is doing it's best to undermine anything SC2 related.
VL-Orion
Profile Joined April 2011
Indonesia78 Posts
January 16 2012 03:54 GMT
#4747
I honestly believe that this article is just a way to generate controversy and its author is somewhat a troll.

Because he is incredibly daft if he believe that any broodwar top player can dominate after 1 month of playing Sc2. It took Forgg 8 months (yes he demolish code A) but it takes time to play a different game.

The BW pros(stars) will have an advantage due to their working ethics and they will be good at sc2.

But they wont beat the likes of Leenock ( who doesn't have BW backgrounds) or DRG (who is not very prominent in BW) in just 1 month let alone IMMVP.

Its a different game and it will be exciting when the BW pros switched to starcraft 2 but they wont dominate after playing the game in just such a short time.

This article insult the effort of SC2 players, make a mocking of their working ethics and said that the stars of BW whom played different game can just switched and dominate in 1 month.

The elephant is exaggerated, make claims that are difficult to verify,offensive and the most important of all it create controversy.
Face it guys its actually a troll in disguise
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"
wangstra
Profile Joined March 2011
922 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-30 19:21:20
January 16 2012 04:07 GMT
#4748
delete
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
January 16 2012 04:21 GMT
#4749
On January 16 2012 13:07 wangstra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 01:45 Nightshade_ wrote:
Guys, FoRGG just won a game on ladder, the death of the current SC2 proscene is imminent. Where if your FoRGGod now?


Whats the name of his stream? Is it featured on TL?

oGsForGG and yes it is.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 16 2012 05:08 GMT
#4750
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of the BW fanatics faces will be red.
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
TheButtonmen
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada1403 Posts
January 16 2012 05:18 GMT
#4751
On January 16 2012 14:08 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of the BW fanatics faces will be red.


All right, thread is adjourned!

We will meet back here in exactly one year and the loser is buying the first round.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
January 16 2012 05:22 GMT
#4752
On January 16 2012 13:21 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 13:07 wangstra wrote:
On January 16 2012 01:45 Nightshade_ wrote:
Guys, FoRGG just won a game on ladder, the death of the current SC2 proscene is imminent. Where if your FoRGGod now?


Whats the name of his stream? Is it featured on TL?

oGsForGG and yes it is.

Best stream on TL!
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 16 2012 06:08 GMT
#4753
On January 16 2012 14:18 TheButtonmen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 14:08 hunts wrote:
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of the BW fanatics faces will be red.


All right, thread is adjourned!

We will meet back here in exactly one year and the loser is buying the first round.


If only more people on TL were into this sort of dispute resolution!
twitch.tv/huntstv 7x legend streamer
FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
January 17 2012 12:56 GMT
#4754
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


Word. It's basically the people that have been around for a while and understand the level of skill in the BW scene vs people new to RTS games.
howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
January 17 2012 12:59 GMT
#4755
On January 17 2012 21:56 FunnyPicture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


Word. It's basically the people that have been around for a while and understand the level of skill in the BW scene vs people new to RTS games.

Mechanical skill, which is not nearly as important in SC2.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
January 17 2012 13:00 GMT
#4756
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aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 13:15:50
January 17 2012 13:15 GMT
#4757
On January 17 2012 21:56 FunnyPicture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


Word. It's basically the people that have been around for a while and understand the level of skill in the BW scene vs people new to RTS games.


Funny how forGG, a person who surely would fit in the top 300 that OP is talking about, had 9 months for him to be the best but still only managed to drop out of the first round in code s. Im pretty sure the faces who are red will be the yaysayers.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
FunnyPicture
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden147 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:34:09
January 18 2012 08:33 GMT
#4758
On January 17 2012 22:15 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 21:56 FunnyPicture wrote:
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


Word. It's basically the people that have been around for a while and understand the level of skill in the BW scene vs people new to RTS games.


Funny how forGG, a person who surely would fit in the top 300 that OP is talking about, had 9 months for him to be the best but still only managed to drop out of the first round in code s. Im pretty sure the faces who are red will be the yaysayers.


Well the people than know and understand the BW scene don't really care about the top 300, we care about the top 10. Until a truly prominent player switch over to SC2 we just won't know.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
January 18 2012 08:35 GMT
#4759
On January 17 2012 22:15 aderum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 21:56 FunnyPicture wrote:
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


Word. It's basically the people that have been around for a while and understand the level of skill in the BW scene vs people new to RTS games.


Funny how forGG, a person who surely would fit in the top 300 that OP is talking about, had 9 months for him to be the best but still only managed to drop out of the first round in code s. Im pretty sure the faces who are red will be the yaysayers.

he fits as much mvp fit, and mvp is actually a best player ...
Stork[gm]
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
January 18 2012 08:47 GMT
#4760
On January 18 2012 17:35 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 22:15 aderum wrote:
On January 17 2012 21:56 FunnyPicture wrote:
On January 16 2012 12:12 SkimGuy wrote:
I have a feeling we're going to look back on this topic one year from now, and a lot of naysayer's faces will be red


Word. It's basically the people that have been around for a while and understand the level of skill in the BW scene vs people new to RTS games.


Funny how forGG, a person who surely would fit in the top 300 that OP is talking about, had 9 months for him to be the best but still only managed to drop out of the first round in code s. Im pretty sure the faces who are red will be the yaysayers.

he fits as much mvp fit, and mvp is actually a best player ...


But MVP doesn't fit, because MVP was already an SC2 player when the article was written saying "BW currently has 300 pros and semi-pros that can switch over and within a month dominate SC2" MVP was one of the SC2 players that were supposed to get dominated by the 300 BW pros and semi-pros.
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