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horang3
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
December 28 2009 18:56 GMT
#61
Lol it's hilarious looking back at the old posts talking about how Flash is a cheesy noob.
Do great work
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
December 28 2009 19:04 GMT
#62
wow, very nice writeup. flash is tearing it up, and it looks like no one can stop him...except his schedule. Jaedong seemed to be the best bet, but flash went ahead and dominated him
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bluemanrocks
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States304 Posts
December 28 2009 19:26 GMT
#63
front page front page!!

this writeup is absolutely AWESOME. flash fighting!
I AM THE THIRD GATE GUARDIAN
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 28 2009 19:40 GMT
#64
great read!
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 28 2009 20:05 GMT
#65
On December 28 2009 23:13 Abyzou wrote:
tl;dr: flash is amazinggggggggggg, btw he's amaziiiiing

I love how slanted some of these writeups are. Always using positive words to describe what he does, putting everything he does in the most positive light possible, etc.

Yeah, I'm a Flash hater. Always been, always will be. He just isn't entertaining to watch. He keeps going for the most 'effective' builds over and over (see- his anti-carrier build) because he can't think of doing anything else, and because progamers these days get so much pressure on them just to win, win, win. And he's also fond of sitting in his base, turtling til he rolls out and steamrolls the other player. How thunderously boring.

And that's why he'll never be the 'neo-Boxer' he wants to be. Simply winning isn't enough, little monster.


Is revolutionizing terran management, tvp, tvz, and dominating tvt indefinitely enough?
RIP Aaliyah
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
December 28 2009 20:18 GMT
#66
On December 29 2009 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 23:13 Abyzou wrote:
tl;dr: flash is amazinggggggggggg, btw he's amaziiiiing

I love how slanted some of these writeups are. Always using positive words to describe what he does, putting everything he does in the most positive light possible, etc.

Yeah, I'm a Flash hater. Always been, always will be. He just isn't entertaining to watch. He keeps going for the most 'effective' builds over and over (see- his anti-carrier build) because he can't think of doing anything else, and because progamers these days get so much pressure on them just to win, win, win. And he's also fond of sitting in his base, turtling til he rolls out and steamrolls the other player. How thunderously boring.

And that's why he'll never be the 'neo-Boxer' he wants to be. Simply winning isn't enough, little monster.


Is revolutionizing terran management, tvp, tvz, and dominating tvt indefinitely enough?


no it isnt. being entertaining to casuals and being dominant/revolutionary (entertaining to serious players) are different things
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
December 28 2009 20:41 GMT
#67
That was a great read, hopefully he wins both starleague, but I'm happy even if he wins just one. I think if he beats best with his new tvp build, there is a big chance that he can win both starleague.
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 28 2009 20:43 GMT
#68
Sorry, but (P)Bisu won Club Day MSL and GOMTV Season 2 at the same time. Not as prestigious as winning the OSL and MSL but just as hard.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
December 28 2009 20:46 GMT
#69
Flash Fighting !!!
n_n
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 28 2009 20:58 GMT
#70
On December 29 2009 05:43 jalstar wrote:
Sorry, but (P)Bisu won Club Day MSL and GOMTV Season 2 at the same time. Not as prestigious as winning the OSL and MSL but just as hard.


That's a significant accomplishment, but it isn't quite as hard. Progamers practice much harder for OSL and MSL.

Flash won GSI/OSL at the same time as well.
RIP Aaliyah
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
December 28 2009 21:09 GMT
#71
Awesome writeup. I read the whole thing, and really enjoyed it.

Go Flash!
2minutevictory
Profile Joined December 2009
United States89 Posts
December 28 2009 21:18 GMT
#72
flash is probably going to win MSL/OSL. but i have a feeling jaedong is going to 3-0 him in the MSL finals and it'll be the most overhyped thing next to GOM season1 finals
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 28 2009 21:28 GMT
#73
nicely written <3
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
December 28 2009 21:48 GMT
#74
I think Flash's possible new TvP build will be tested to the limit against Best in the MSL. Best is the consummate anti-Terran Protoss.
Pokeball
Profile Joined December 2009
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 22:42:16
December 28 2009 22:41 GMT
#75
On December 29 2009 03:52 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 23:13 Abyzou wrote:
tl;dr: flash is amazinggggggggggg, btw he's amaziiiiing

I love how slanted some of these writeups are. Always using positive words to describe what he does, putting everything he does in the most positive light possible, etc.

Yeah, I'm a Flash hater. Always been, always will be. He just isn't entertaining to watch. He keeps going for the most 'effective' builds over and over (see- his anti-carrier build) because he can't think of doing anything else, and because progamers these days get so much pressure on them just to win, win, win. And he's also fond of sitting in his base, turtling til he rolls out and steamrolls the other player. How thunderously boring.

And that's why he'll never be the 'neo-Boxer' he wants to be. Simply winning isn't enough, little monster.


Your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.

Actually you probably didn't read at all which is okay because you aren't actually the target audience.

Aren't you the same guy that always says things about Flash that are grossly inaccurate anyway?


Yeah he posts shit about Flash being a turtling noob and runs away to never respond.

Just a general statement but people who make really stupid comments like these should be forced to defend them. He turtles? His TvZ is currently balls to the wall aggressive and is pretty much the only terran who does it right. He doesn't two fact but he's in no way a turtle in TvT and always attempts to gain map control. His TvP could be considered turtling but he always goes for those timing pushes (that never work anymore) anyway.

If you need gimmicks like two port wraith/nukes/queens to entertain you, why are you watching Starcraft anyway? Zero owns, though, because his queen usage so far has been nothing gimmicky and has got him out of sticky situations.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 28 2009 22:56 GMT
#76
what is this new flash play u talk about? link please
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Pokeball
Profile Joined December 2009
94 Posts
December 28 2009 23:03 GMT
#77
On December 29 2009 07:56 MorroW[MB] wrote:
what is this new flash play u talk about? link please


http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/424_Flash/games

Anything 09-10-10 onwards.
Ra.Xor.2
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1784 Posts
December 28 2009 23:15 GMT
#78
Best Final Edit I've ever read
#1 Flash Fan
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-29 01:03:36
December 29 2009 01:02 GMT
#79
It's hard not to love someone for writing so many words about flash.

With that being said, this FE to me seems a tad untimely. For example, saving this opportunity for his MSL+OSL wins i think would be more appropriate, that way the FE would probably rise to the occasion moreso than now, and also have more material to talk about in case he wins. Somehow i feel bad about an FE being made looking back on Flash's career, when he still has many years in him (that's what it looks like).
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
December 29 2009 01:22 GMT
#80
Amazing article, thanks for the effort!~
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