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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
July 15 2007 22:02 GMT
#21
what does he mean with dragoon upgrade not working? some one elobrate on that plz.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-15 22:07:56
July 15 2007 22:07 GMT
#22
As far as I know Stork forgot to upgrade dragoon range ;o
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HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
July 15 2007 22:25 GMT
#23
Bisu's whole family is a bloody army of Bruce Lee's. They probably would have roundhoused Stork had he won.
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aZnvaLiaNce
Profile Joined June 2007
United States942 Posts
July 17 2007 02:30 GMT
#24
On July 16 2007 07:25 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Bisu's whole family is a bloody army of Bruce Lee's. They probably would have roundhoused Stork had he won.


hahahaha qft
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sc0rchedst0rm
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Ireland176 Posts
July 17 2007 04:20 GMT
#25
Great interviews. Bisu is great! And he seems like he's a really nice guy too, going by what I've read.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
July 17 2007 04:57 GMT
#26
Was there a glitch and he could not research it (dragoon range), or did he (stork) just forget to?
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mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
July 17 2007 05:43 GMT
#27
Great translations, thanks.

.kaz, I think he forgot. If it was a glitch, he would have paused at the very least.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9042 Posts
July 17 2007 07:28 GMT
#28
which game did Stork forget goon range upgrade ?
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Laos5494 Posts
July 17 2007 07:30 GMT
#29
Bisu's Dad is badass
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Canada6683 Posts
July 17 2007 07:35 GMT
#30
On July 17 2007 16:28 Garnet wrote:
which game did Stork forget goon range upgrade ?

The last game
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 17 2007 07:54 GMT
#31
i would just like to say that goon range would not have made a game-changing difference by itself. the biggest mistakes that stork made were the ones that hit his economy hard: #1 letting his nexus die to a 4 DT drop when he could have been prepared for the DT drop and saved the nexus. #2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes. but in any case, these 2 major economic set-backs were what allowed bisu to get arbiters much faster and get the game-winning statis fields. in the major battles, most of stork's goons found an enemy zealot charging close enough so that range didnt matter. the number of units and the positioning of units (for flanks and storms) are wayyyy bigger deciding factors than whether a few goons got a few extra hits.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-17 15:47:42
July 17 2007 13:04 GMT
#32
On July 17 2007 16:54 NonY[rC] wrote:
i would just like to say that goon range would not have made a game-changing difference by itself. the biggest mistakes that stork made were the ones that hit his economy hard: #1 letting his nexus die to a 4 DT drop when he could have been prepared for the DT drop and saved the nexus. #2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes. but in any case, these 2 major economic set-backs were what allowed bisu to get arbiters much faster and get the game-winning statis fields. in the major battles, most of stork's goons found an enemy zealot charging close enough so that range didnt matter. the number of units and the positioning of units (for flanks and storms) are wayyyy bigger deciding factors than whether a few goons got a few extra hits.

While bisu was storm-dropping stork, stork was killing of bisu's nexus. And Stork succeed more here! Losing nexus hurts your economics much more than losing your probes cause you have a good amount of probes in pvp usually and can easily divide probes from to bases into three. But when you lose your nexus it's pure mining time. Remember that bisu lost his shuttle + 2HT for those probes, Stork's units otherwise killed nexus and traded themself for some cannons and bisu's troops. You say bisu gained economic advantage after this economic trade. Did you watch the game? Stork had much more troops after this and gained his advantage HERE, but Bisu barely survived and it could be close but the really deciding factor was in those probes at the bottom expansion which couldn't find their way to mine during all late game. And because of that arbiter decided the game. And NOT USING DARK ARHON AS WELL. Imagine if he only feedbacked those arbs.. Does anyone know where the hell he had disappeared?
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
July 17 2007 15:15 GMT
#33
thanks for the translation :D
damn bisu that beast...he can only get better...hope he does, sick of seeing T win anyway, even though i play T as well...
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LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
July 18 2007 02:54 GMT
#34
nice interviews
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
July 18 2007 04:23 GMT
#35
On July 17 2007 22:04 Organ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2007 16:54 NonY[rC] wrote:
i would just like to say that goon range would not have made a game-changing difference by itself. the biggest mistakes that stork made were the ones that hit his economy hard: #1 letting his nexus die to a 4 DT drop when he could have been prepared for the DT drop and saved the nexus. #2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes. but in any case, these 2 major economic set-backs were what allowed bisu to get arbiters much faster and get the game-winning statis fields. in the major battles, most of stork's goons found an enemy zealot charging close enough so that range didnt matter. the number of units and the positioning of units (for flanks and storms) are wayyyy bigger deciding factors than whether a few goons got a few extra hits.

While bisu was storm-dropping stork, stork was killing of bisu's nexus. And Stork succeed more here! Losing nexus hurts your economics much more than losing your probes cause you have a good amount of probes in pvp usually and can easily divide probes from to bases into three. But when you lose your nexus it's pure mining time. Remember that bisu lost his shuttle + 2HT for those probes, Stork's units otherwise killed nexus and traded themself for some cannons and bisu's troops. You say bisu gained economic advantage after this economic trade. Did you watch the game? Stork had much more troops after this and gained his advantage HERE, but Bisu barely survived and it could be close but the really deciding factor was in those probes at the bottom expansion which couldn't find their way to mine during all late game. And because of that arbiter decided the game. And NOT USING DARK ARHON AS WELL. Imagine if he only feedbacked those arbs.. Does anyone know where the hell he had disappeared?


i don't say that bisu's storm drop hurt stork more than stork's 2 shuttle drop hurt bisu. if you notice, i am tackling the belief that failing to research goon range was a major setback. when stork said in an interview that he was upset because he made mistakes in every game that caused him to lose the series, i don't think he was talking about goon range.

i did watch the game. stork got back into the game because he skimped on forge upgrades, he invested less into arbiters, and he had much better micro in the major fights. it was the third thing that helped stork the most, as he caught bisu horribly out of position and proceeded to kill bisu's units very efficiently with storms.

his horrible use of his dark archon is not so much a mistake as a missed opportunity. the dark archon had great potential but, as you saw in the game, it is no guarantee. still, i fail to see the revelance to goon range.

anyway, as great as this forum is, language barriers, impatience, egos, etc, tend to get in the way of good discussion. seeing as how this is a matter of PvP knowledge, i'd be happy to accept a series of games as a way of demonstrating whose knowledge is superior. and then we won't have to concern ourselves with all these words...
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
.dragoon
Profile Joined May 2007
United States749 Posts
July 18 2007 04:55 GMT
#36
While it's true that 2 stasis fields sealed the game, I think dragoon range very noticeably hindered stork's game. A lot of units got away that would've otherwise died to dragoon fire early on.

As for the dark archon, it'd have been totally pimp if he had mind controlled at least 1 arbiter and stasised the other along with some units. That'd have won him the game and been the talk of the day.
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GongKyuckTerran
Profile Joined March 2006
Croatia1096 Posts
July 18 2007 07:59 GMT
#37
good int
thx
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Organ
Profile Joined September 2006
Russian Federation987 Posts
July 18 2007 12:28 GMT
#38
On July 18 2007 13:23 NonY[rC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2007 22:04 Organ wrote:
On July 17 2007 16:54 NonY[rC] wrote:
i would just like to say that goon range would not have made a game-changing difference by itself. the biggest mistakes that stork made were the ones that hit his economy hard: #1 letting his nexus die to a 4 DT drop when he could have been prepared for the DT drop and saved the nexus. #2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes. but in any case, these 2 major economic set-backs were what allowed bisu to get arbiters much faster and get the game-winning statis fields. in the major battles, most of stork's goons found an enemy zealot charging close enough so that range didnt matter. the number of units and the positioning of units (for flanks and storms) are wayyyy bigger deciding factors than whether a few goons got a few extra hits.

While bisu was storm-dropping stork, stork was killing of bisu's nexus. And Stork succeed more here! Losing nexus hurts your economics much more than losing your probes cause you have a good amount of probes in pvp usually and can easily divide probes from to bases into three. But when you lose your nexus it's pure mining time. Remember that bisu lost his shuttle + 2HT for those probes, Stork's units otherwise killed nexus and traded themself for some cannons and bisu's troops. You say bisu gained economic advantage after this economic trade. Did you watch the game? Stork had much more troops after this and gained his advantage HERE, but Bisu barely survived and it could be close but the really deciding factor was in those probes at the bottom expansion which couldn't find their way to mine during all late game. And because of that arbiter decided the game. And NOT USING DARK ARHON AS WELL. Imagine if he only feedbacked those arbs.. Does anyone know where the hell he had disappeared?


i don't say that bisu's storm drop hurt stork more than stork's 2 shuttle drop hurt bisu. if you notice, i am tackling the belief that failing to research goon range was a major setback. when stork said in an interview that he was upset because he made mistakes in every game that caused him to lose the series, i don't think he was talking about goon range.

i did watch the game. stork got back into the game because he skimped on forge upgrades, he invested less into arbiters, and he had much better micro in the major fights. it was the third thing that helped stork the most, as he caught bisu horribly out of position and proceeded to kill bisu's units very efficiently with storms.

his horrible use of his dark archon is not so much a mistake as a missed opportunity. the dark archon had great potential but, as you saw in the game, it is no guarantee. still, i fail to see the revelance to goon range.

anyway, as great as this forum is, language barriers, impatience, egos, etc, tend to get in the way of good discussion. seeing as how this is a matter of PvP knowledge, i'd be happy to accept a series of games as a way of demonstrating whose knowledge is superior. and then we won't have to concern ourselves with all these words...

Agreed about Stork's superior micro, and investing into double-forge updgrade. I just wrote about

#2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes.

that is not a great mistake when you're razing opponent's nexus and make a bigger damage to him.

I enjoy facing strong opponents and I like PvP very much. I would accept your offer about playing a series of games if only I hadn't decided to have a rest of starcraft about 2 weeks ago.. Maybe later you'll prove me your superior PvP knowledge .

isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
July 18 2007 19:56 GMT
#39
great job
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
July 19 2007 01:19 GMT
#40
On July 18 2007 21:28 Organ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2007 13:23 NonY[rC] wrote:
On July 17 2007 22:04 Organ wrote:
On July 17 2007 16:54 NonY[rC] wrote:
i would just like to say that goon range would not have made a game-changing difference by itself. the biggest mistakes that stork made were the ones that hit his economy hard: #1 letting his nexus die to a 4 DT drop when he could have been prepared for the DT drop and saved the nexus. #2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes. but in any case, these 2 major economic set-backs were what allowed bisu to get arbiters much faster and get the game-winning statis fields. in the major battles, most of stork's goons found an enemy zealot charging close enough so that range didnt matter. the number of units and the positioning of units (for flanks and storms) are wayyyy bigger deciding factors than whether a few goons got a few extra hits.

While bisu was storm-dropping stork, stork was killing of bisu's nexus. And Stork succeed more here! Losing nexus hurts your economics much more than losing your probes cause you have a good amount of probes in pvp usually and can easily divide probes from to bases into three. But when you lose your nexus it's pure mining time. Remember that bisu lost his shuttle + 2HT for those probes, Stork's units otherwise killed nexus and traded themself for some cannons and bisu's troops. You say bisu gained economic advantage after this economic trade. Did you watch the game? Stork had much more troops after this and gained his advantage HERE, but Bisu barely survived and it could be close but the really deciding factor was in those probes at the bottom expansion which couldn't find their way to mine during all late game. And because of that arbiter decided the game. And NOT USING DARK ARHON AS WELL. Imagine if he only feedbacked those arbs.. Does anyone know where the hell he had disappeared?


i don't say that bisu's storm drop hurt stork more than stork's 2 shuttle drop hurt bisu. if you notice, i am tackling the belief that failing to research goon range was a major setback. when stork said in an interview that he was upset because he made mistakes in every game that caused him to lose the series, i don't think he was talking about goon range.

i did watch the game. stork got back into the game because he skimped on forge upgrades, he invested less into arbiters, and he had much better micro in the major fights. it was the third thing that helped stork the most, as he caught bisu horribly out of position and proceeded to kill bisu's units very efficiently with storms.

his horrible use of his dark archon is not so much a mistake as a missed opportunity. the dark archon had great potential but, as you saw in the game, it is no guarantee. still, i fail to see the revelance to goon range.

anyway, as great as this forum is, language barriers, impatience, egos, etc, tend to get in the way of good discussion. seeing as how this is a matter of PvP knowledge, i'd be happy to accept a series of games as a way of demonstrating whose knowledge is superior. and then we won't have to concern ourselves with all these words...

Agreed about Stork's superior micro, and investing into double-forge updgrade. I just wrote about
Show nested quote +

#2 letting all of his probes be stormed at his natural. it's hard to fix this mistake since the only reason it happened was that stork was microing his 2 shuttle drop at that exact time, so bisu basically got lucky that stork wasnt there to retreat his probes.

that is not a great mistake when you're razing opponent's nexus and make a bigger damage to him.

I enjoy facing strong opponents and I like PvP very much. I would accept your offer about playing a series of games if only I hadn't decided to have a rest of starcraft about 2 weeks ago.. Maybe later you'll prove me your superior PvP knowledge .

i thought stork was the one that lost his nexus (in addition to being storm dropped)

bisu saved his nexus during that simultaneous drop
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