▶We have judged that today’s negotiation is final. We are considering to exclude ProLeague and producing self contents.
I wonder what is possible through "self contents" with most of the teams' players boycotting (although they have MBC/OGN team, plus (lol) whatever players they want to pick up from pantech P)
Maybe they'll try to be creative somehow, instead of the standard league formats they've been using for years now. (mbc seesm to be going in this direction, with school league, rookie league, and mbc players doing custom stuff for them like commentary or race matches_
This is the opinion of the 8 teams that are angry with the situation. (all teams except MBC, OGN, and eStro) My Korean isn't good enough to do such a nice translation as Infinity21, but it's basically saying they believe OGN/MBC should try to be more understanding and think of the progamers during their actions.
They believe showing the teams leaving the stadium on live tv, making announcements with biased opinions, and making polls on their website to get the fans on their site is unprofessional and unfair (or something like that).
I'm sure Infinity21 or someone else will explain much better.
This is the opinion of the 8 teams that are angry with the situation. (all teams except MBC, OGN, and eStro) My Korean isn't good enough to do such a nice translation as Infinity21, but it's basically saying they believe OGN/MBC should try to be more understanding and think of the progamers during their actions.
They believe showing the teams leaving the stadium on live tv, making announcements with biased opinions, and making polls on their website to get the fans on their site is unprofessional and unfair (or something like that).
I'm sure Infinity21 or someone else will explain much better.
It's unfortunate for MBC & OGN since they are the original founders, but ..
.. MBC & OGN is at the mercy of KeSPA.
Even without the MBC/OGN commentators, it's not like KeSPA's current sucky commentators will not improve. Anyone remember how horrid OGN's commentators were when BW started airing? Also, it won't take as long for KeSPA's commentators to improve like with OGN given they have something to base their improvements on. Pro Starcraft can run without MBC & OGN. There is already a backup cable station.
I don't think the players & coaches are really speaking their mind due to their sponsors. It's all or nothing especially in the fierce & limited field of Starcraft progaming.
Even with the death of MBC & OGN, in the long run, the benefits outweigh the negatives since Pro Starcraft would be worldwide and in english
I think a lot of people misunderstand about Kespa. Kespa = Proteams. It's made from each representatives of the pro team sponsors. Stop saying, they should make new proleague without kesa, etc.. cuz then there will be only amateurs and OGN/MBC players.
OGN/MBC are pretty much being bullied into making an agreement in Kespa's terms or boycotting the leagues. They are asking about $250,000/yr for each station + 40% profit from the VOD service which is outrageous. They walked out in middle of MBC's prelims. I think the only reason they didn't walk out on Shinhan Masters is so the MBC/OGN players don't walk out on SuperFight5.
Even with the death of MBC & OGN, in the long run, the benefits outweigh the negatives since Pro Starcraft would be worldwide and in english
haha, who gave you this idea?
as long as these guys negotiate understanding their limits it is fine, just a redistribution of revenues, but this is being done rather unprofesionally, like a couple of family owned businesses bickering, not at all corporate.
On March 17 2007 06:47 nullmind wrote: I think a lot of people misunderstand about Kespa. Kespa = Proteams. It's made from each representatives of the pro team sponsors. Stop saying, they should make new proleague without kesa, etc.. cuz then there will be only amateurs and OGN/MBC players.
OGN/MBC are pretty much being bullied into making an agreement in Kespa's terms or boycotting the leagues. They are asking about $250,000/yr for each station + 40% profit from the VOD service which is outrageous. They walked out in middle of MBC's prelims. I think the only reason they didn't walk out on Shinhan Masters is so the MBC/OGN players don't walk out on SuperFight5.
no, the reason they didnt walk out on Shinhan Masters is because Shinhan Bank has put more money into OSL than any other sponsor, and you really do not want to piss off a sponsor like them
IEG owns broadcasting rights. MBC/OGN do not wish to pay to broadcast.
And this is where it gets interesting. Who boycote who first? If MBC/OGN boycote the proleague first to presure IEG for a lower price, then the fault is on MBC/OGN.
If IEG/proleague boycote MBC/OGN first becuase MBC/OGN didn't accept the offer, then it doesn't make any sense. That's like a news stand owner beat me up becaues I didn't buy his paper.
On March 17 2007 12:29 Physician wrote: infinity owns.
I agree
On March 17 2007 15:56 Person514cs wrote: OK, this is how I understand this.
IEG owns broadcasting rights. MBC/OGN do not wish to pay to broadcast.
And this is where it gets interesting. Who boycote who first? If MBC/OGN boycote the proleague first to presure IEG for a lower price, then the fault is on MBC/OGN.
If IEG/proleague boycote MBC/OGN first becuase MBC/OGN didn't accept the offer, then it doesn't make any sense. That's like a news stand owner beat me up becaues I didn't buy his paper.
well, MBC & OGN boycotting ProLeague doesn't effect it much. We had 1 team going anyway -- might as well make it 4. But if KeSPA boycotts OSL & MSL, then OGN & MBC Game are screwed. They will have to make their own separate league with different players, as all the pro teams (and therefore players) belong to KeSPA.
I wouldn't say "beat up" -- just "ignore" you for not buying his paper. And KeSPA can ignore OGN & MBC Game because it isn't being paid. Their contract that they were working on kinda got screwed over on the 16th, so KeSPA is not obligated to go to OSL & MSL. Plus, they are already working on a contract with a 3rd broadcasting company, or so they say.
If the worst case happens, at least OSL and MSL will still have Sparkyz, Hero and eSTRO players, plus Boxer ChRch, HOT, Clon from Army, .. They better take over PantechEX too, so that will make 5 teams, not too bad. >< KeSPA will have a hard time doing everything by themselves all over again, finding a broadcasting company (with a probably very low contract value) with way much less experience and audiences than OGN/MBC. I'd say it will not just fck up OGN/MBC but both sides equally, and fck fans the most.
This is just bullshit. OGN/MBC are not obligated to buy the broadcasting for prolegue rights, but kespa boycotts their leagues? Not to mention IEG would be on profit only from reselling the rights to them. Pure idiocy.
Pro league is not going to fall apart. Too much is at stake. Looking at it from a purely economic point of view, it makes sense for someone, be it CJ, OGN or MBC, to negotiate a deal with IEG. It also makes sense for IEG to negotiate a deal because if Proleague doesn\'t exist, then IEG gets nothing.
OGN and MBC do not have as strong a position as they say. They do not have a monopoly on things like technical expertise and commentators. CJ has already stolen several producers from OGN for their Superfight. Whatever commentator a broadcaster needs, it can get.
Also, they don\'t have the moral high ground either if they signed the Proleague rights over to KESPA. KESPA has the right to do whatever they like with them. I produced World Cyber Games on National Geographic, but technically, I need to consult with them everytime I want to pass a copy to my mum. Because it was a full commission. They own the rights to every millisecond of footage I shot. The creator of Superman probably doesn\'t own the rights to Superman either. His company does. Adam West and Burt Ward were the actors who played Batman and Robin in the long running TV series. They\'re not allowed to dress up in costume without permission because no matter how much they helped the character along, they don\'t own the rights. That is the way a capitalist society that respects copyright law functions.
They can count on support from outraged fans for a while. But let\'s face it - a league without Savior? Without Tossgirl? Without Nada? Without Ra? Kingdom? Midas? It\'s just not going to happen. The fans are going to leave.
On the other hand, IEG and KESPA don\'t hold all the cards either. They cannot afford to let Progaming die. Corporations sponsor proteams for publicity, which they are getting a lot of now, of course, but they won\'t if this isn\'t resolved soon.
This is NOT all about making money. That\'s the problem. If it were, we would have reached an agreement by now. This is about egos, about feeling betrayed, about righteous fury. It\'s clouding the scene and making it impossible for a proper agreement to be reached.
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