Zest Fan Club - Page 211

On November 13 2017 09:35 Fango wrote:
Confirmed that he wins at least one premier tournament every year as well

On November 13 2017 16:30 Sakat wrote:
I think that was a joke question

As for the actual GOAT discussion, I'd say that the top spot is somewhere between Mvp/Life/Inno (had Inno not fallen asleep at blizzcon he would have been the undisputed GOAT but alas)

Then slightly behind them the protoss gods Zest and sOs and a bit more behind Taeja with the rulers of WoL Nestea/MMA/MC at his heels and Maru at number 10.

On November 13 2017 22:19 AzAlexZ wrote:

Maru? Are you kidding?
Rain, herO, Classic, soO, PartinG are some of the players I would definitely rank above Maru

On November 13 2017 22:19 AzAlexZ wrote:

Maru? Are you kidding?
Rain, herO, Classic, soO, PartinG are some of the players I would definitely rank above Maru

On November 14 2017 01:25 Fango wrote:


Maru did more in korea than PartinG, herO, Classic, and Rain.

On November 14 2017 01:11 Sakat wrote:

Tbh I wasn't really sure about number 10, but given he is a double Starleague champion... I guess Classic could be there instead. Or even soO because of his incredible consistency...

On November 14 2017 01:37 AzAlexZ wrote:

Rain won Hot6, OSL and GSL (4 in KR)
Classic won SSL and GSL. (2 in KR)
herO won SSL and Super Tournament and KeSPA Cup. (1 SL in KR, 2 Weekenders)
I'll agree on PartinG though, closest he came was a final in GSL Bliazzrd Cup in 2012 vs Life and S1 GSL vs Life in 2015.

Maru won SSL and OSL
Rain > Maru = Classic = herO > PartinG

Then you have to factor in international tournaments
Rain won HSC and Battle-net Asia Finals
herO won 3 IEM's
Classic won 1 IEM
PartinG won WCG, RedBull Battlegrounds NY, HSC, DH, Battle-net World Championship
Maru has 0, only a final in IEM Taipei vs Life
so International
PartinG > herO > Rain > Classic > Maru

On November 14 2017 02:04 Fango wrote:


Depends how highly you rank international events and weekenders. Maru did better in starleagues and proleague than any of them. Hence why I said he did more in korea

In terms of starleagues, I rank players based of # of appearances in the playoffs, and # of trophies
Dear has 6 appearances - 1 trophy
Classic has 7 appearances - 2 trophies
Rain 8 has appearances - 2 trophies
PartinG 9 has appearances - 0 trophies
herO 7 has appearances - 1 trophy

Maru has 10 appearances, and 2 trophies. So I can objectively say he did better in the starleagues than any of those. For some pointless comparisons, Zest has 8 appearances and 2 trophies, Inno has 11 appearances and 3 trophies, and soO has 6 appearances and 0 trophies.

And then there's proleague, which people seem to disregard for some bizarre reason (even though many players said practice for proleague was more important than any individual league). Maru reached the second highest winrate of any player in proleague history, with 85% in 2016. The only player to go higher than that was Flash with 86% in 2010.

And I know there's no objective measure of this, but Maru succeeded in times when it was harder for terran. All the protosses you compare him to, were well, protosses. There were so many seasons where Maru was the only terran in GSL ro8, I think that's worth noting, even if he didn't win.

On November 14 2017 02:24 AzAlexZ wrote:

Your argument for Maru being in 10 Starleagues and winning 2 is confusing.
This means he only wins 20% of his SL appeareances, whereas Rain wins 25% of his and Classic wins 28.5% of them, shouldn't that stat favor Classic and Rain, they have a higher trophy to SL appearance ratio compared to Maru