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Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
August 30 2017 22:37 GMT
#3961
Aight, thanks
Do something today that your future self will be thankful for.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
August 31 2017 04:23 GMT
#3962
On August 31 2017 03:59 Phredxor wrote:
I expect him to fail to qualify. A fitting way to end his year in KR.


Lol indeed 😂 I also expect him to lose here and I'll take it with a good laugh. It's almost like he is trolling us fans.

Remember when KT used to send him as ace in all matches despite him losing them always? For some reason this "goat online / trashy offline" situation reminds me of those times. Frustrating times!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
August 31 2017 05:05 GMT
#3963
On August 31 2017 03:59 Phredxor wrote:
I expect him to fail to qualify. A fitting way to end his year in KR.

Found the optimist.
Denominator of the Universe
TL+ Member
ghostmaster93
Profile Joined July 2017
155 Posts
August 31 2017 10:33 GMT
#3964
On August 31 2017 02:13 Rolltide wrote:
Show nested quote +
I always wonder why people just talk about everything in Zest fan club, even when it has nothing to do with Zest


Because Zest sucks this year.

Show nested quote +
Seem you have not update the standings for a while. 6th is Dark, 7th is herO and 8th is Buyn. Still chance herO and Buyn get out. Dark is pretty safe now.


This is from blizzard's own site. Are they not up to date?

https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/standings/

Zest is ranked 21st.


Blizzard rarely update their standings and usually late. I remember they have a article name 8 players who qualify directly for this year's Blizzcon and they forget to update it since GSL season 2. I found out that Liquid wiki standing update most of the time and easy to see.

The link is here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2017_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series_Korea/Standings
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
August 31 2017 10:34 GMT
#3965
The WCS website is perhaps the best example of Blizzard's esports management.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
August 31 2017 11:53 GMT
#3966
That is pathetic that Blizzard can't keep something up that belongs to them. WCS and Blizzcon is their baby for crying out loud.

Even sans Zest this is going to be an incredibly exciting playoff run and championship. Just a shame that Zest is so far removed from those top 16 guys.

Did you guys see Rogue after losing to Stats? He was really devastated.

pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
August 31 2017 17:52 GMT
#3967
On August 31 2017 19:34 Olli wrote:
The WCS website is perhaps the best example of Blizzard's esports management.

Or lack thereof.
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Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
September 04 2017 10:20 GMT
#3968
Nobody can say that Protoss is under powered. 6 of the top 16 players in GSL were Protoss. The top player in circuit is Protoss. And now 3 of the 4 in SSL premier playoffs are Protoss including the top 2 seeds Stats and classic. Only Dark is not a Protoss.

SSL premier is 10 of the top players in the game over 9 matches. No fluke there.

Of course somebody would say that Zest's failure in these big tournaments has been so spectacular race should not matter but some Protoss have tried to make that argument. It's a weak argument.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 04 2017 14:27 GMT
#3969
Zerg have a 65% winrate in GSL iirc, can't check right now. Aligulac have both matchups around 45% for Protoss. That's what you should be looking at, not just representation. But I agree that Zest's issues go beyond balance, especially because he's the best Protoss on ladder and others do alright in tournaments. He doesn't. The issue is something else.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 04 2017 14:30 GMT
#3970
At least Zest doesn't try to qualify for ASL so we can rule that out as well
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
September 04 2017 14:47 GMT
#3971
For the top Protoss players it is pretty balanced. According to Aligulac this is how Neeb and Hero have done. I rounded up or down.

Neeb
Overall-69%
vs Protoss-70%
vs Terran 68%
vs Zerg 69%

Hero
Overall-63%
Vs Protoss- 61%
vs Terran-63%
vs Zerg-66%

Interesting that Hero's worst matchup is against Protoss but the numbers are very close all the way around.

For Zest his win rate against Zerg and Terran are much worse than against Protoss. 67% against Protoss and 57% against the other 2 races.


Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 04 2017 16:17 GMT
#3972
I think the balance is an obvious factor in Zest's failures. But other reasons go beyond that. Probably his inability to improve and learn on his own without a coach/team supporting him.

It's not his mechanics that are bad, he just looked clueless on how to play. He did archon drops in literally every PvZ game for months, he'd stay on adept phoenix for 20 minutes in PvT etc

It does look like he's getting back into his groove recently though, with ridiculous online/ladder success. I think it's too early to call him a ladder-only hero as well, he only started dominating it this hard after HSC. He hasn't had any opportunities to qualify for tournaments since then
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Jan1997
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Norway671 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 23:49:53
September 04 2017 23:49 GMT
#3973
He still does archon drops in PvZ but isn't that strategy kinda figured out by now though? It's not really meta anymore.
Do something today that your future self will be thankful for.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 05 2017 00:18 GMT
#3974
That's what I mean, he never stopped doing archon drops for months after it got figured out. He never seemed to grasp the strategy part of the game since KT disbanded
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 05 2017 07:01 GMT
#3975
Archon drops aren't bad, they never were. SG openings just became more popular, and to be fair Zest caught on really early. He did them back at HSC already.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
September 12 2017 19:35 GMT
#3976
so apparently he started streaming again today, I wasn't able to catch a big part of the stream but he seams to be losing steam. I think he will be streaming again tomorrow.


When I ask him who does he think is going to win GSL, he predicted INnoVation. Let's see if it's accurate.
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
September 12 2017 20:57 GMT
#3977
Not hard to predict huge favorite to win.
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
September 12 2017 21:38 GMT
#3978
On September 13 2017 05:57 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Not hard to predict huge favorite to win.


Recently I notice this trend of whoever is predicted/favoured by Zest to win would lose afterward (see: Classic or Rogue)
I'm sorry for all those that got their hearts broken by Zest | Zest, Bisu, soO, herO, MC, Maru, TY, Rogue, Trap, TaeJa", Favourite foreigners: ShoWTimE, Snute, Serral and Nerchio| KT BEST KT |
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
September 12 2017 22:35 GMT
#3979
On September 04 2017 23:47 Rolltide wrote:
For the top Protoss players it is pretty balanced. According to Aligulac this is how Neeb and Hero have done. I rounded up or down.

Neeb
Overall-69%
vs Protoss-70%
vs Terran 68%
vs Zerg 69%

Hero
Overall-63%
Vs Protoss- 61%
vs Terran-63%
vs Zerg-66%

Interesting that Hero's worst matchup is against Protoss but the numbers are very close all the way around.

For Zest his win rate against Zerg and Terran are much worse than against Protoss. 67% against Protoss and 57% against the other 2 races.



herO's PvP is his worst matchup historically but the fact he likes to bump into sOs, Classic and Stats all the time, that doesn't help with his stats in PvP.
Plopus
Profile Joined November 2014
Switzerland112 Posts
September 13 2017 06:43 GMT
#3980
On September 13 2017 04:35 NinjaToss wrote:
so apparently he started streaming again today, I wasn't able to catch a big part of the stream but he seams to be losing steam. I think he will be streaming again tomorrow.


I didnt watch the stream except his participation to the Olimoleague. He is clearly losing steam...
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