On September 18 2017 15:15 NinjaToss wrote: Apparently, according to inven's interview with INnoVation, Zest was on of the Protosses who practiced with him for his GSL Finals
Do you have a link?
I believe this is the Tweet that is linked to the article
Thanks.
Ah, so Inno said his practice partners were Zest, Dear, and Stats. He said he had 4 practice partners, so I assume the 4th was probably Classic. Glad that all their hard work helping Inno paid off.
Yes, not only that but I thought Zest and sOs were pretty close friend so I'm actually quite surprised that he decided to help INnoVation instead. However according to what INnoVation said the in the pre-game interview more or less indicate that he considers Zest to be a better play than sOs. (I checked their all time head to head record the other and they are actually very even in that regard, even with Zest not doing so well this year.)
I'm sort of excited for the map test tournament because of this even though I'm not very sure if they are going to take it seriously or not lol
On September 18 2017 15:15 NinjaToss wrote: Apparently, according to inven's interview with INnoVation, Zest was on of the Protosses who practiced with him for his GSL Finals
Ah, so Inno said his practice partners were Zest, Dear, and Stats. He said he had 4 practice partners, so I assume the 4th was probably Classic. Glad that all their hard work helping Inno paid off.
Yes, not only that but I thought Zest and sOs were pretty close friend so I'm actually quite surprised that he decided to help INnoVation instead. However according to what INnoVation said the in the pre-game interview more or less indicate that he considers Zest to be a better play than sOs. (I checked their all time head to head record the other and they are actually very even in that regard, even with Zest not doing so well this year.)
I'm sort of excited for the map test tournament because of this even though I'm not very sure if they are going to take it seriously or not lol
There's a decent amount of money to win, that's enough for them to take it relatively seriously. Problem is they'll not take any looks at the maps before they have to play on them so they might do dumb stuff. For example, in TY's game against Kelazhur on Neo Tropicana, he sent scouting units to every base even though vertical spawns are disabled.
For my part I want expect great games because they have other things to do than practice the map so it may be kind of weird but still I'll watch them, I hope they'll smash the zergs in their group.
On September 18 2017 22:37 Olli wrote: Looked terrible in this map tournament so far, so I'm not hopeful for ST.
I mean, he beat Solar 2-1 in the ST qualifiers but he couldn't defend a 12-pool in this map tournament. This was definitely not a 100% performance.
Ah man, 12 pools can be a pain to hold. What worries me is that he keeps doing one and the same build, SG into templar archives archon drop and chargelot warpins. The build itself isn't bad, but Zest keeps committing to it by warping in more and more, not adding tech or immortals and expanding slowly. He splits his army up randomly, exposing chunks of it to the Zerg's main army. Then they get picked off and he takes huge damage to the counterattack. It hasn't worked at all so far, and I don't see it worked anytime soon. It's just not good.
The way people usually play that build is drop the archons, warp in a round of zealots while expanding and adding storm + immortals. Zest stays on essentially pure charge/archon all game, and it isn't working.
On September 18 2017 22:37 Olli wrote: Looked terrible in this map tournament so far, so I'm not hopeful for ST.
I mean, he beat Solar 2-1 in the ST qualifiers but he couldn't defend a 12-pool in this map tournament. This was definitely not a 100% performance.
Ah man, 12 pools can be a pain to hold. What worries me is that he keeps doing one and the same build, SG into templar archives archon drop and chargelot warpins. The build itself isn't bad, but Zest keeps committing to it by warping in more and more, not adding tech or immortals and expanding slowly. He splits his army up randomly, exposing chunks of it to the Zerg's main army. Then they get picked off and he takes huge damage to the counterattack. It hasn't worked at all so far, and I don't see it worked anytime soon. It's just not good.
The way people usually play that build is drop the archons, warp in a round of zealots while expanding and adding storm + immortals. Zest stays on essentially pure charge/archon all game, and it isn't working.
I think he was reluctant to tech more because they were playing cross server. When he finally got to templars and storm in the last game vs Nerchio, his usage of them was not what you'd expect from Zest. In general he seemed kinda slow with everything.
On September 18 2017 22:37 Olli wrote: Looked terrible in this map tournament so far, so I'm not hopeful for ST.
Since when has Zest ever played well in cross server tournaments? Even when he was on top in 2016 he got 3-0'd by Snute. Also he probably has never played on these maps. Wouldn't look too much into this result.
The others haven't played on these maps either, so that isn't an excuse. Besides, the specifics of a playstyle are rarely affected by cross server lag. If anything you'd avoid micro heavy strategies. Zest played macro games, but he played them badly and forgot things. I don't get how cross server is to blame for that.
Maybe so but I just don't think there is too much to look into when he is playing cross server (I assume on Na Central which is like 300 ping) and on maps he hasn't played. Albeit I only saw the last couple games vs Nerchio and not the Snute series but still he beat Gumiho 2-0 and Solar 2-1 in the offline qualifiers like two days ago. That says a lot more about his form than these games.
Playing new maps is a big factor for sure. You don't know which player has already looked at them/played on them etc. Zest is a player who (historically) wins by practicing to perfection, knowing specific builds to specific maps.
I mean TY lost 0-3 to scarlett so clearly this tournament isn't the biggest indicator of level.
The pay for today's effort was $50 per map so Zest made $150.
Another reason Innovation probably let up on him and basically gave him a map.
Fango's last post makes no sense so I'll take that as sarcasm. Zest looked bad in those weekly SSL challenge matches and he looked bad here. Not saying the competitions are the same.
I watched Scarlet's matches and I honestly think TY typed out in the 2nd map(Neon violet square) out of frustration with the map. There are these neon grids that seige tanks can't get past but most other units can. Terran players will veto that map if it comes up.
I wouldn't judge him too much. He seems to be pretty solid at PvT but then just looks clueless at PvZ (except whenever he's rekting Rogue). It has been like this for the whole year, I'm kinda used to it now
On September 18 2017 23:49 Rolltide wrote:Fango's last post makes no sense so I'll take that as sarcasm. Zest looked bad in those weekly SSL challenge matches and he looked bad here. Not saying the competitions are the same.
Because judging someone's performance in a cross server online event on brand new maps is pointless. I couldn't care if he went 9-0 or 0-9 it doesn't mean anything
Tfw you beat the best player in the world but lose twice to foreign Zergs.
To be fair, Zest was helping Inno recently so I assume he knows Inno's style. Also Inno's gg timing in game 3 was really early, maybe he just didn't care.
And I do realize an online cross-server tourney on new maps is not the best measure of form.
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