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No transgender / gender identity / gender equality talk in this fanclub please.
cydereal
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States193 Posts
April 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#1341
So does our heroine still not have a twitter?
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#1342
On April 09 2012 11:18 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:10 corpuscle wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 09 2012 10:56 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 10:50 Grumbels wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:21 ampson wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:12 Grotti wrote:
Sign me up too. She is way better than IdrA :D


Far too soon to tell. There is potential though.

From the little we've seen of Scarlett and the lot we've seen of Idra, I'd argue 'till the sun comes up that she's better in ZvP.

Haven't really seen enough ZvT to say anything other than I agree with "Far too soon to tell." But her ZvZ's in that Playhem pack were pretty tight, still not going to make any judgments on that though.

I know this is not entirely serious, but IdrA also played Oz and went 1-2 in games. :o

I hope she doesn't get too freaked out by to all this attention. I imagine it can be intimidating, she's reasonably young and has no pro gaming experience afaik, so having a 100 page fanclub and having team managers swarm over you and such must be weird.

In any case, not to put any pressure on her, but it'd be nice to have a female pro gamer that could compete with the best foreigners at least. It reflects so badly on our community to have a male only pro scene, it would do us good to have it be more diverse.

I actually am mostly serious about Scarlett ZvP > IdrA ZvP. Assuming the Idra 1-2 Oz was the one at Winter Arena, I watched both series and was infinitely more impressed by Scarlett's. That being said, I've only seen the Scarlett vs Oz series, her in a bo5 vs some guy in the Playhem thing, and that game of her vs oGsVines which is, of course, not a great sample size. So I'm a bit reserved about making the rather bold statement of Scarlett > Idra ZvP but I do genuinely believe it as it stands now.


I'm a huge Scarlett fan, but I have to disagree. IdrA's timings and just overall gamesense are just a little bit tighter than Scarlett's in every matchup, not just ZvP. I've casted a whole bunch of his ZvPs (including the match vs Oz in Winter Arena) and he's just a hair better, and I'm the one who casted the Guillycuddy/oGsVINES games, so I feel like I have a pretty solid grasp of what we've seen from her. It's close, and I think she could be better than him with a little more practice and some serious practice partners, but as it stands right now, I can't say she's better.

Some notable issues I've seen in her ZvP is that she underdroned just a little bit (like, 4-5 drones less than she could pull off) in quite a few of her games, and she doesn't seem to have the most solid grasp of when it's appropriate to tech up to hive, which is in fairly stark contrast to her ZvT. She's exceptionally strong in the midgame when she can use mass roach to defend early aggression and deny the protoss third, but in quite a few of her games, she overextended on mass roach when the protoss was way ahead on tech, and lost (or had a much tougher win) when she could've just sat back, taken a 5th, and gone hive.

It's not a mechanical issue, which is what makes her such a promising player; it's hard to expect a player who isn't practicing against people on their level and talking with other pros to have as refined a playstyle as the other top pros. I imagine that a month or two on a solid team and lots of practice, she'll be able to iron out those issues, and can give IdrA a run for his money.


edit: also she made hydras in like 4 of the 8 ZvPs I watched, iirc, and got punished pretty hard for it in a lot of them. might just be part of her personal playstyle, but that's really unorthodox, and really easy for protoss to hard-counter. roach/hydra/corrupter stopped being standard for a reason.

Heh, yeah again, its not something I super adamantly believe in but I'm not convinced just yet. I'd love to see at least like 10~ more recent ZvPs from Scarlett before I really go crazy.

But yeah, I did watch the games. I dont think me not saying my thoughts out loud to an audience really weakens my understanding that much. Also I super whole heartedly agree with you about the Hydras. Dont make those plz. T_T

Edit: Edit response to edit gogogo. I dont think its fair to say popular opinion calls Idra bad. I think he could never win a game again and still have a loyal legion calling him the best player in the world.

As long as he keeps giving Code S terrans a run for their money he certainly deserves his fans more than most
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:57:46
April 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#1343
Oh cool, an award. Shame its on such a random post.

Also, @vultdylan, I've been arguing for Scarlett but ladder rank is certainly not anywhere on my list of reasons why. >_>

Edit: And yeah, Aocowns, I didnt mean to shit on Idra too much. He's really good !
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 03:02:52
April 09 2012 03:01 GMT
#1344
On April 09 2012 11:54 vultdylan wrote:
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On April 09 2012 10:21 ampson wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:12 Grotti wrote:
Sign me up too. She is way better than IdrA :D


Far too soon to tell. There is potential though.


Dunno dude. IdrA isn't even top 25 GM in NA, while Scarlett has been top 10 GM for a while, not to mention IdrA hasn't beaten a pro of any major significance in a long while, so Scarlett at the moment looks much better than him.


Ladder doesn't mean anything.

IdrA 2-1'd SlayerSMin in EG:MCSL, 2-0'd MvP in Iron Squid, 2-1'd Inori in MLG Columbus, 2-1'd ThorZaiN in Iron Squid, 2-1'd SuperNoVa in IEM WC... all in the past month.

edit: btw IdrA has a better ladder winrate over a larger number of games.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
April 09 2012 03:03 GMT
#1345
On April 09 2012 11:56 cydereal wrote:
So does our heroine still not have a twitter?


Correct, she said as soon as she got one she would be post it here... and so far nothing.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 09 2012 03:05 GMT
#1346
On April 09 2012 12:03 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:56 cydereal wrote:
So does our heroine still not have a twitter?


Correct, she said as soon as she got one she would be post it here... and so far nothing.


Let her enjoy IPL4, we can start bitching at her when she gets home, but let's be honest, if you were there, you'd be enjoying the show, not worrying about your twitter
From the void I am born into wave and particle
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 09 2012 03:06 GMT
#1347
On April 09 2012 11:54 vultdylan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 10:21 ampson wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:12 Grotti wrote:
Sign me up too. She is way better than IdrA :D


Far too soon to tell. There is potential though.


Dunno dude. IdrA isn't even top 25 GM in NA, while Scarlett has been top 10 GM for a while, not to mention IdrA hasn't beaten a pro of any major significance in a long while, so Scarlett at the moment looks much better than him.

You say it like NA ladder actually matters when comparing skill ;o It's useless to compare as Scarlett barely has played any games as of yet.

You haven't really watched any of Idra's recent games, have you?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Chytilova
Profile Joined December 2011
United States790 Posts
April 09 2012 03:07 GMT
#1348
On April 09 2012 12:05 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 12:03 Chytilova wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:56 cydereal wrote:
So does our heroine still not have a twitter?


Correct, she said as soon as she got one she would be post it here... and so far nothing.


Let her enjoy IPL4, we can start bitching at her when she gets home, but let's be honest, if you were there, you'd be enjoying the show, not worrying about your twitter


Haha, did it sound like I was bitching? I was just telling him the twitter isn't here therefore no twitter
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 03:09:11
April 09 2012 03:08 GMT
#1349
On April 09 2012 12:07 Chytilova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 12:05 corpuscle wrote:
On April 09 2012 12:03 Chytilova wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:56 cydereal wrote:
So does our heroine still not have a twitter?


Correct, she said as soon as she got one she would be post it here... and so far nothing.


Let her enjoy IPL4, we can start bitching at her when she gets home, but let's be honest, if you were there, you'd be enjoying the show, not worrying about your twitter


Haha, did it sound like I was bitching? I was just telling him the twitter isn't here therefore no twitter


right!
As soon as she gets one it'll be added under Contact in this thread.
✉ Tweets @sc2channel ⌦ Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/JOJO ⌫ "Arbiterssss... build more arbiterssss." Click 'Profile' for awesome shiro art!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
April 09 2012 03:25 GMT
#1350
Woot!!

She's one of the few foreign brightspots of the tourney, along with illusion and huk
Liquid | SKT
kimjongskills
Profile Joined June 2011
United States47 Posts
April 09 2012 04:07 GMT
#1351
This is like Matt Flynn throwing for 400+ yards and 6 touchdowns in place of Aaron Rodgers. The only real difference is that the NFL community is able to discern the difference between a player that has established themselves as good and a player that has had 1 good performance. No one in the NFL community would even begin to say that Matt Flynn, a player that has barely been seen, is better than Aaron Rodgers.

Even if Scarlett is good, we really need to sit back and have this conversation later down the road after she has had more success than a ladder rank and a few wins.
Nightinyou
Profile Joined May 2011
United States59 Posts
April 09 2012 04:11 GMT
#1352
The point isn't so much that she beat a few Koreans.

The point is how she did it, and the fact that she hasn't had much pro-level practice.

If she got a good gaming rig (please don't try to say a MB is a good gaming rig), and steady, good practice partners, and coaching and all the other perks that pro players get, there's no telling how far she could go.
corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
April 09 2012 04:16 GMT
#1353
On April 09 2012 13:07 kimjongskills wrote:
This is like Matt Flynn throwing for 400+ yards and 6 touchdowns in place of Aaron Rodgers. The only real difference is that the NFL community is able to discern the difference between a player that has established themselves as good and a player that has had 1 good performance. No one in the NFL community would even begin to say that Matt Flynn, a player that has barely been seen, is better than Aaron Rodgers.

Even if Scarlett is good, we really need to sit back and have this conversation later down the road after she has had more success than a ladder rank and a few wins.


Uhh, last I checked, Matt Flynn signed a $26m deal with the Seahawks and is going to be starting next season...

So, your point is, uh...
From the void I am born into wave and particle
kimjongskills
Profile Joined June 2011
United States47 Posts
April 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#1354
On April 09 2012 13:16 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 13:07 kimjongskills wrote:
This is like Matt Flynn throwing for 400+ yards and 6 touchdowns in place of Aaron Rodgers. The only real difference is that the NFL community is able to discern the difference between a player that has established themselves as good and a player that has had 1 good performance. No one in the NFL community would even begin to say that Matt Flynn, a player that has barely been seen, is better than Aaron Rodgers.

Even if Scarlett is good, we really need to sit back and have this conversation later down the road after she has had more success than a ladder rank and a few wins.


Uhh, last I checked, Matt Flynn signed a $26m deal with the Seahawks and is going to be starting next season...

So, your point is, uh...


That one performance doesn't mean he's good.

Jamarcus Russell was a spectacular college quarterback at LSU and was drafted #1 overall in 2007 by the Raiders with a $61m contract. He did absolutely nothing for that franchise, he was a failure to say the least. Getting paid to play for a team does not mean that you are actually good.

You are saying that the fact that Matt Flynn is getting paid $26m to play for a team that had a no name, injury prone quarterback means something significant. My analogy still stands because Matt Flynn can still be a bust.
Scarlett`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada2388 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 04:27:36
April 09 2012 04:25 GMT
#1355
i don't think i am as good as idra overall yet ; you are overrating me >< but so nice ^^

also i got approached by korean team with very big sponsorship offer earlier today - looks very promising

(and no i am not sponsored by razer, they co-sponsored the playhem tournament which i won to send me here ~)
Progamer
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
April 09 2012 04:27 GMT
#1356
On April 09 2012 13:25 Scarlett` wrote:
i don't think i am as good as idra overall yet ; you are overrating me >< but so nice ^^

also i got approached by korean team with very big sponsorship offer earlier today - it is pretty likely i will sign with them

(and no i am not sponsored by razer, they co-sponsored the playhem tournament which i won to send me here ~)

WOW, congratz!!!!
"let your freak flag fly"
ABagOfFritos
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
April 09 2012 04:29 GMT
#1357
Yeah sign me up.
Anyone playing zerg this well is awesome to see.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
April 09 2012 04:29 GMT
#1358
On April 09 2012 13:25 Scarlett` wrote:
i don't think i am as good as idra overall yet ; you are overrating me >< but so nice ^^

also i got approached by korean team with very big sponsorship offer earlier today - looks very promising

(and no i am not sponsored by razer, they co-sponsored the playhem tournament which i won to send me here ~)


That sounds great! Congratulations
✉ Tweets @sc2channel ⌦ Blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/JOJO ⌫ "Arbiterssss... build more arbiterssss." Click 'Profile' for awesome shiro art!
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
April 09 2012 04:31 GMT
#1359
On April 09 2012 13:25 Scarlett` wrote:
i don't think i am as good as idra overall yet ; you are overrating me >< but so nice ^^

also i got approached by korean team with very big sponsorship offer earlier today - looks very promising

(and no i am not sponsored by razer, they co-sponsored the playhem tournament which i won to send me here ~)

Congrats ! You know, the best way for us to get a good feel of how good you are is for you to release some replays as soon as youre nice and settled at home. : )
SuperbWingman
Profile Joined March 2011
United States33 Posts
April 09 2012 04:31 GMT
#1360
On April 09 2012 13:25 kimjongskills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 13:16 corpuscle wrote:
On April 09 2012 13:07 kimjongskills wrote:
This is like Matt Flynn throwing for 400+ yards and 6 touchdowns in place of Aaron Rodgers. The only real difference is that the NFL community is able to discern the difference between a player that has established themselves as good and a player that has had 1 good performance. No one in the NFL community would even begin to say that Matt Flynn, a player that has barely been seen, is better than Aaron Rodgers.

Even if Scarlett is good, we really need to sit back and have this conversation later down the road after she has had more success than a ladder rank and a few wins.


Uhh, last I checked, Matt Flynn signed a $26m deal with the Seahawks and is going to be starting next season...

So, your point is, uh...


That one performance doesn't mean he's good.

Jamarcus Russell was a spectacular college quarterback at LSU and was drafted #1 overall in 2007 by the Raiders with a $61m contract. He did absolutely nothing for that franchise, he was a failure to say the least. Getting paid to play for a team does not mean that you are actually good.

You are saying that the fact that Matt Flynn is getting paid $26m to play for a team that had a no name, injury prone quarterback means something significant. My analogy still stands because Matt Flynn can still be a bust.


Now who is the one getting ahead of themselves?
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