EPTOn April 09 2012 10:12 Grotti wrote:
Sign me up too. She is way better than IdrA :D
Sign me up too. She is way better than IdrA :D
Far too soon to tell. There is potential though.
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
Far too soon to tell. There is potential though. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:21 ampson wrote: Far too soon to tell. There is potential though. From the little we've seen of Scarlett and the lot we've seen of Idra, I'd argue 'till the sun comes up that she's better in ZvP.  Haven't really seen enough ZvT to say anything other than I agree with "Far too soon to tell." But her ZvZ's in that Playhem pack were pretty tight, still not going to make any judgments on that though. | ||
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Selassie
Ireland58 Posts
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Plaincow
United States17 Posts
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RandomRob
Canada4 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote: From the little we've seen of Scarlett and the lot we've seen of Idra, I'd argue 'till the sun comes up that she's better in ZvP. Haven't really seen enough ZvT to say anything other than I agree with "Far too soon to tell." But her ZvZ's in that Playhem pack were pretty tight, still not going to make any judgments on that though. ZvT is her strongest play; she said as much in the interview. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:26 Bibbit wrote: From the little we've seen of Scarlett and the lot we've seen of Idra, I'd argue 'till the sun comes up that she's better in ZvP. Haven't really seen enough ZvT to say anything other than I agree with "Far too soon to tell." But her ZvZ's in that Playhem pack were pretty tight, still not going to make any judgments on that though. I know this is not entirely serious, but IdrA also played Oz and went 1-2 in games. :o I hope she doesn't get too freaked out by to all this attention. I imagine it can be intimidating, she's reasonably young and has no pro gaming experience afaik, so having a 100 page fanclub and having team managers swarm over you and such must be weird. In any case, not to put any pressure on her, but it'd be nice to have a female pro gamer that could compete with the best foreigners at least. It reflects so badly on our community to have a male only pro scene, it would do us good to have it be more diverse. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:50 Grumbels wrote: I know this is not entirely serious, but IdrA also played Oz and went 1-2 in games. :o I hope she doesn't get too freaked out by to all this attention. I imagine it can be intimidating, she's reasonably young and has no pro gaming experience afaik, so having a 100 page fanclub and having team managers swarm over you and such must be weird. In any case, not to put any pressure on her, but it'd be nice to have a female pro gamer that could compete with the best foreigners at least. It reflects so badly on our community to have a male only pro scene, it would do us good to have it be more diverse. I actually am mostly serious about Scarlett ZvP > IdrA ZvP. Assuming the Idra 1-2 Oz was the one at Winter Arena, I watched both series and was infinitely more impressed by Scarlett's. That being said, I've only seen the Scarlett vs Oz series, her in a bo5 vs some guy in the Playhem thing, and that game of her vs oGsVines which is, of course, not a great sample size. So I'm a bit reserved about making the rather bold statement of Scarlett > Idra ZvP but I do genuinely believe it as it stands now. | ||
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MrPiccolo
United Kingdom16 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:56 Bibbit wrote: I actually am mostly serious about Scarlett ZvP > IdrA ZvP. Assuming the Idra 1-2 Oz was the one at Winter Arena, I watched both series and was infinitely more impressed by Scarlett's. That being said, I've only seen the Scarlett vs Oz series, her in a bo5 vs some guy in the Playhem thing, and that game of her vs oGsVines which is, of course, not a great sample size. So I'm a bit reserved about making the rather bold statement of Scarlett > Idra ZvP but I do genuinely believe it as it stands now. I'm a huge Scarlett fan, but I have to disagree. IdrA's timings and just overall gamesense are just a little bit tighter than Scarlett's in every matchup, not just ZvP. I've casted a whole bunch of his ZvPs (including the match vs Oz in Winter Arena) and he's just a hair better, and I'm the one who casted the Guillycuddy/oGsVINES games, so I feel like I have a pretty solid grasp of what we've seen from her. It's close, and I think she could be better than him with a little more practice and some serious practice partners, but as it stands right now, I can't say she's better. Some notable issues I've seen in her ZvP is that she underdroned just a little bit (like, 4-5 drones less than she could pull off) in quite a few of her games, and she doesn't seem to have the most solid grasp of when it's appropriate to tech up to hive, which is in fairly stark contrast to her ZvT. She's exceptionally strong in the midgame when she can use mass roach to defend early aggression and deny the protoss third, but in quite a few of her games, she overextended on mass roach when the protoss was way ahead on tech, and lost (or had a much tougher win) when she could've just sat back, taken a 5th, and gone hive. It's not a mechanical issue, which is what makes her such a promising player; it's hard to expect a player who isn't practicing against people on their level and talking with other pros to have as refined a playstyle as the other top pros. I imagine that a month or two on a solid team and lots of practice, she'll be able to iron out those issues, and can give IdrA a run for his money. edit: also she made hydras in like 4 of the 8 ZvPs I watched, iirc, and got punished pretty hard for it in a lot of them. might just be part of her personal playstyle, but that's really unorthodox, and really easy for protoss to hard-counter. roach/hydra/corrupter stopped being standard for a reason. double edit: this is just my personal opinion and shouldn't be taken as gospel. also, not saying she's bad at ZvP, just not as good as IdrA, who, despite popular opinion, is still really fucking good at SC2 | ||
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BaconofWar
United States369 Posts
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:10 corpuscle wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2012 10:56 Bibbit wrote: I actually am mostly serious about Scarlett ZvP > IdrA ZvP. Assuming the Idra 1-2 Oz was the one at Winter Arena, I watched both series and was infinitely more impressed by Scarlett's. That being said, I've only seen the Scarlett vs Oz series, her in a bo5 vs some guy in the Playhem thing, and that game of her vs oGsVines which is, of course, not a great sample size. So I'm a bit reserved about making the rather bold statement of Scarlett > Idra ZvP but I do genuinely believe it as it stands now. I'm a huge Scarlett fan, but I have to disagree. IdrA's timings and just overall gamesense are just a little bit tighter than Scarlett's in every matchup, not just ZvP. I've casted a whole bunch of his ZvPs (including the match vs Oz in Winter Arena) and he's just a hair better, and I'm the one who casted the Guillycuddy/oGsVINES games, so I feel like I have a pretty solid grasp of what we've seen from her. It's close, and I think she could be better than him with a little more practice and some serious practice partners, but as it stands right now, I can't say she's better. Some notable issues I've seen in her ZvP is that she underdroned just a little bit (like, 4-5 drones less than she could pull off) in quite a few of her games, and she doesn't seem to have the most solid grasp of when it's appropriate to tech up to hive, which is in fairly stark contrast to her ZvT. She's exceptionally strong in the midgame when she can use mass roach to defend early aggression and deny the protoss third, but in quite a few of her games, she overextended on mass roach when the protoss was way ahead on tech, and lost (or had a much tougher win) when she could've just sat back, taken a 5th, and gone hive. It's not a mechanical issue, which is what makes her such a promising player; it's hard to expect a player who isn't practicing against people on their level and talking with other pros to have as refined a playstyle as the other top pros. I imagine that a month or two on a solid team and lots of practice, she'll be able to iron out those issues, and can give IdrA a run for his money. edit: also she made hydras in like 4 of the 8 ZvPs I watched, iirc, and got punished pretty hard for it in a lot of them. might just be part of her personal playstyle, but that's really unorthodox, and really easy for protoss to hard-counter. roach/hydra/corrupter stopped being standard for a reason. Heh, yeah again, its not something I super adamantly believe in but I'm not convinced just yet. I'd love to see at least like 10~ more recent ZvPs from Scarlett before I really go crazy. But yeah, I did watch the games. I dont think me not saying my thoughts out loud to an audience really weakens my understanding that much. Also I super whole heartedly agree with you about the Hydras. Dont make those plz. T_T Edit: Edit response to edit gogogo. I dont think its fair to say popular opinion calls Idra bad. I think he could never win a game again and still have a loyal legion calling him the best player in the world. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:18 Bibbit wrote: Heh, yeah again, its not something I super adamantly believe in but I'm not convinced just yet. I'd love to see at least like 10~ more recent ZvPs from Scarlett before I really go crazy. But yeah, I did watch the games. I dont think me not saying my thoughts out loud to an audience really weakens my understanding that much. Also I super whole heartedly agree with you about the Hydras. Dont make those plz. T_T Edit: Edit response to edit gogogo. I dont think its fair to say popular opinion calls Idra bad. I think he could never win a game again and still have a loyal legion calling him the best player in the world. I certainly agree that they're very close, I'm just leery because of the sample size, I guess. I only mentioned the part about me casting them to make sure you knew I was paying close attention to the games, it wasn't meant to be condescending at all. Obviously, when you're casting, you have to be really engaged in the game, whereas when you're just watching, you might be tuning it out. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
aLive on Fire now, need more Fans. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:23 corpuscle wrote: I certainly agree that they're very close, I'm just leery because of the sample size, I guess. I only mentioned the part about me casting them to make sure you knew I was paying close attention to the games, it wasn't meant to be condescending at all. Obviously, when you're casting, you have to be really engaged in the game, whereas when you're just watching, you might be tuning it out. Exact same with me.  I think they're very close, hesitant given the sample size, but am apparently more mindlessly fanatical than yourself. Also, yeah, I'm super interested in Scarlett's skill level so I watched pretty closely. But I didnt read what you said as condescending or nothing, no worries. :D | ||
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:25 GodOfWar wrote: who care about Scarlett aLive on Fire now, need more Fans. Haha, jealous fanclubs have now started to come. Don't worry dude we are still watching IPL4. | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
on another note, im impressed by her IPL results after seeing her beat terious AND take a round off of Oz. Sign me up bro | ||
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vaL4r
Germany240 Posts
On April 09 2012 09:00 KebertXela wrote: Someone should record that video in case that interview goes down and is unrecoverable. I am unsure as to why you didn't do it yourself but consider it done ^^ | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:48 vaL4r wrote: I am unsure as to why you didn't do it yourself but consider it done ^^ I considered it as well but wouldnt know how : ) Edit: Props to you though ! | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On April 09 2012 11:51 Bibbit wrote: I considered it as well but wouldnt know how : ) Edit: Props to you though ! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0A9qe.png) Fanclub Award #4 Category: Posting Bibbit Award Title: 1337 Post Micro Skillz - 1337th post in the Scarlett Fanclub Thread | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On April 09 2012 10:21 ampson wrote: Far too soon to tell. There is potential though. Dunno dude. IdrA isn't even top 25 GM in NA, while Scarlett has been top 10 GM for a while, not to mention IdrA hasn't beaten a pro of any major significance in a long while, so Scarlett at the moment looks much better than him. | ||
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