On May 19 2012 20:27 Fogger wrote: MVP won all his games from round of 8 and up with cheeses. Hes not a legend, hes a cheeser for sure. In terms of pure skill squirtle has way more skill than mvp will ever have. MVP is a joke and can only win using cheese. Squirtle is the real champ.
Why is everyone acting like MVP cheesed every game? He played Squirtle in 7 games, 6 of which he 1 rax expanded... and 1 game where he cheesed. The maps were split evenly 3 to 3. Grow up Squirtle fans: do you think he'd be happy hearing his fans call MVP names and claim he doesn't deserve to win? Not in the slightest.
He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese.
He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL...
Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot.
Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have.
Squirtle didnt proxy 2 gate like a bitch, a 4 gate may be almost all in but you may still expand off of that and show the fans a great game. MVP proxy 2 rax like a bitch and shows he doesn't care about his fans at all he just wants to win using the cheapest way possible. MVP is not a champ just a pro cheeser. Its all good though I'm sure HOTS will fix these stupid cheese all ins and MVP wont be able to use gimmicks to win much longer. I applaud squirtle for being the true champ and defending a cheap cheese like a champ. I will try my hardest to see MVP gets into the recordbooks for most GSL finals won by cheese and overall gayness...
If you didn't know cheese is part of the game. These 2 rax proxys happens all the time in korean ladder. If Squirtle can't win when they appear he is worst protoss i ever seen and don't deserve to be in GSL.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, Squirtle is in my opinion the best protoss at the moment but he did critical mistakes on that last game.
You played amazingly this season Squirtle, be proud! There's no doubt in my mind you are currently the best Protoss player, come back stronger next season.
On May 19 2012 20:45 Lazzi wrote: I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting . I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying...
But you have to understand thats a part of the game... To nerf Terran again just because of this would be absurd. It was a best of 7 which went down to the 7th game and was even. Squirtle pretty much held the cheese off initially too... if he hadn't tried to go down the ramp to kill the barracks he would have won straight up. I don't think this one game should change anything on balance since it was more a poor decision by Squirtle and bad micro that cost him the game not some imbalance.
I totally agree that Squirtle could have done way better once he holded the first "wave" but by the change I propose, you can still 2 rax just as MVP did but it you can't abuse on the MULE two much.
It's not really abuse: it's using what you have and making the most of it. Would you call a Protoss deathball composition abusing it? Protoss do it in every single game vs Terran and it's pretty much unstoppable in the late game. Would you call a Mothership vortex abuse? I would with your definition, because you're saying the Mule won him the game essentially. Well the Vortex in game 5 won him the game as well, and vortex on a Zerg army can help win (even a part of the army instead of the whole thing). Zergs have Queens that inject that allow them to have tons of larvae even if they only have 1 "unit producing building"... Is that abuse? See you can't call the mule abuse because then Blizzard would have to change the entire mechanics of SC2.
Edit: Can auto win just as a mule can help win.
I don't see how my change would make Blizzard change the whole mechanics of SC2. I just find paradoxal that you can have an income without scv mining.
On May 19 2012 20:27 Fogger wrote: MVP won all his games from round of 8 and up with cheeses. Hes not a legend, hes a cheeser for sure. In terms of pure skill squirtle has way more skill than mvp will ever have. MVP is a joke and can only win using cheese. Squirtle is the real champ.
Why is everyone acting like MVP cheesed every game? He played Squirtle in 7 games, 6 of which he 1 rax expanded... and 1 game where he cheesed. The maps were split evenly 3 to 3. Grow up Squirtle fans: do you think he'd be happy hearing his fans call MVP names and claim he doesn't deserve to win? Not in the slightest.
He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese.
He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL...
Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot.
Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have.
Squirtle didnt proxy 2 gate like a bitch, a 4 gate may be almost all in but you may still expand off of that and show the fans a great game. MVP proxy 2 rax like a bitch and shows he doesn't care about his fans at all he just wants to win using the cheapest way possible. MVP is not a champ just a pro cheeser. Its all good though I'm sure HOTS will fix these stupid cheese all ins and MVP wont be able to use gimmicks to win much longer. I applaud squirtle for being the true champ and defending a cheap cheese like a champ. I will try my hardest to see MVP gets into the recordbooks for most GSL finals won by cheese and overall gayness...
You have 37 posts, and given the offensiveness of this latest one, I guess that it will be your last.
Great play from Squirtle today. If he hadn't recovered from his choke, those finals would have been bad - now, they are next to the best finals ever.
On May 19 2012 20:27 Fogger wrote: MVP won all his games from round of 8 and up with cheeses. Hes not a legend, hes a cheeser for sure. In terms of pure skill squirtle has way more skill than mvp will ever have. MVP is a joke and can only win using cheese. Squirtle is the real champ.
Why is everyone acting like MVP cheesed every game? He played Squirtle in 7 games, 6 of which he 1 rax expanded... and 1 game where he cheesed. The maps were split evenly 3 to 3. Grow up Squirtle fans: do you think he'd be happy hearing his fans call MVP names and claim he doesn't deserve to win? Not in the slightest.
He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese.
He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL...
Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot.
Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have.
Squirtle didnt proxy 2 gate like a bitch, a 4 gate may be almost all in but you may still expand off of that and show the fans a great game. MVP proxy 2 rax like a bitch and shows he doesn't care about his fans at all he just wants to win using the cheapest way possible. MVP is not a champ just a pro cheeser. Its all good though I'm sure HOTS will fix these stupid cheese all ins and MVP wont be able to use gimmicks to win much longer. I applaud squirtle for being the true champ and defending a cheap cheese like a champ. I will try my hardest to see MVP gets into the recordbooks for most GSL finals won by cheese and overall gayness...
If you didn't know cheese is part of the game. These 2 rax proxys happens all the time in korean ladder. If Squirtle can't win when they appear he is worst protoss i ever seen and don't deserve to be in GSL.
I see people who also cannon rush all the time as well. I assume in your eyes they are GREAT FUCKING PLAYERS because they have so much skill to cannon rush! THEY KNOW THE GAME SO WELL THAT IF THEY WIN BY CANNON RUSHING ALL THE TIME THEY MUST BE REALLY DAMN GOOD.
it was a great performance by squirtle and for his first time in gsl finals he played amazing. i'm pretty sure he will get to the finals again soon and then take the trophy with him.
On May 19 2012 20:45 Lazzi wrote: I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting . I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying...
Sure they could. But then protoss shouldnt be able to research WG until they have 3 nexi. We dont want any agresion, do we?
Also GJ Squirtle. 1 stalker away from becoming a Royal Roader.
This is a fanclub people not a balance battleground.
I hope Squirtle can look back on these finals, see the mistakes he made and simply remind himself to be a little more carefull in the future. On the other hand there were a lot of little things he did right both in the games he won and the ones he lost that should not be overshadowed. There is no victory here but there is a learning experience, I believe he can defeat the runner up curse and come back just as strong next season.
On May 19 2012 20:27 Fogger wrote: MVP won all his games from round of 8 and up with cheeses. Hes not a legend, hes a cheeser for sure. In terms of pure skill squirtle has way more skill than mvp will ever have. MVP is a joke and can only win using cheese. Squirtle is the real champ.
Why is everyone acting like MVP cheesed every game? He played Squirtle in 7 games, 6 of which he 1 rax expanded... and 1 game where he cheesed. The maps were split evenly 3 to 3. Grow up Squirtle fans: do you think he'd be happy hearing his fans call MVP names and claim he doesn't deserve to win? Not in the slightest.
He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese.
He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL...
Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot.
Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have.
Squirtle didnt proxy 2 gate like a bitch, a 4 gate may be almost all in but you may still expand off of that and show the fans a great game. MVP proxy 2 rax like a bitch and shows he doesn't care about his fans at all he just wants to win using the cheapest way possible. MVP is not a champ just a pro cheeser. Its all good though I'm sure HOTS will fix these stupid cheese all ins and MVP wont be able to use gimmicks to win much longer. I applaud squirtle for being the true champ and defending a cheap cheese like a champ. I will try my hardest to see MVP gets into the recordbooks for most GSL finals won by cheese and overall gayness...
If you didn't know cheese is part of the game. These 2 rax proxys happens all the time in korean ladder. If Squirtle can't win when they appear he is worst protoss i ever seen and don't deserve to be in GSL.
I see people who also cannon rush all the time as well. I assume in your eyes they are GREAT FUCKING PLAYERS because they have so much skill to cannon rush! THEY KNOW THE GAME SO WELL THAT IF THEY WIN BY CANNON RUSHING ALL THE TIME THEY MUST BE REALLY DAMN GOOD.
Actually if i saw cannon rush winning game in GSL especially last game of best of 7 i would be really impressed wouldn't you?
Squirtle went from being outclassed to almost pulling one of the greatest comebacks ever. He really impressed me with the resilience he put up. Hopefully he doesn't vanish like past GSL runner ups.
On May 19 2012 20:27 Fogger wrote: MVP won all his games from round of 8 and up with cheeses. Hes not a legend, hes a cheeser for sure. In terms of pure skill squirtle has way more skill than mvp will ever have. MVP is a joke and can only win using cheese. Squirtle is the real champ.
Why is everyone acting like MVP cheesed every game? He played Squirtle in 7 games, 6 of which he 1 rax expanded... and 1 game where he cheesed. The maps were split evenly 3 to 3. Grow up Squirtle fans: do you think he'd be happy hearing his fans call MVP names and claim he doesn't deserve to win? Not in the slightest.
He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese.
He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL...
Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot.
Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have.
Squirtle didnt proxy 2 gate like a bitch, a 4 gate may be almost all in but you may still expand off of that and show the fans a great game. MVP proxy 2 rax like a bitch and shows he doesn't care about his fans at all he just wants to win using the cheapest way possible. MVP is not a champ just a pro cheeser. Its all good though I'm sure HOTS will fix these stupid cheese all ins and MVP wont be able to use gimmicks to win much longer. I applaud squirtle for being the true champ and defending a cheap cheese like a champ. I will try my hardest to see MVP gets into the recordbooks for most GSL finals won by cheese and overall gayness...
You guys that are complaining, stop. it's hiding you from the beauty of the game and how good games can be (Game 5 comes to mind ), as well as the skill of each other, Squirtle made mistakes amd he payed dearly for it, Squirtle although that, played amazingly and I hope next season, Squirtle will be able to handle the extremely pressured situations.
EPT
We dont want any agresion, do we?
