EPTSquirtle Fan Club - Page 16
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Shanyo
Belgium70 Posts
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Ikkuh
Netherlands170 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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BlackBurn
Italy19 Posts
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Bajsgrodan
Afghanistan408 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:27 Fogger wrote: MVP won all his games from round of 8 and up with cheeses. Hes not a legend, hes a cheeser for sure. In terms of pure skill squirtle has way more skill than mvp will ever have. MVP is a joke and can only win using cheese. Squirtle is the real champ. I will never buy an LG product ever again because of the stupid fucking cheeser! "What the fuck am I reading?" | ||
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Fogger
United States55 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:30 Lovely_US wrote: Why is everyone acting like MVP cheesed every game? He played Squirtle in 7 games, 6 of which he 1 rax expanded... and 1 game where he cheesed. The maps were split evenly 3 to 3. Grow up Squirtle fans: do you think he'd be happy hearing his fans call MVP names and claim he doesn't deserve to win? Not in the slightest. He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese. | ||
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equalsd
2 Posts
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mambar
United States841 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:35 Fogger wrote: He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese. no, he'll be known as an incredibly amazing sc2 player who won 4 gsls. well played by squirtle. i expect to see him at the finals again soon. | ||
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RunnerMeep
United States79 Posts
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:35 Fogger wrote: He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese. When then Protoss's need to get better and handling cheese then. Squirtle made mistakes in that last game MVP made less so he won. | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
This fanclub is so disgusting | ||
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Lovely_US
United States94 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:35 Fogger wrote: He beat parting and naniwa by being a cheeser. MVP will be know througout history as the guy with the only way to win is to cheese. He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL... Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot. Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have. | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying... | ||
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Lovely_US
United States94 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:45 Lazzi wrote: I was by from far for Squirtle, but you can't say MVP he's a bad player, nor a bonjwa. I don't blame him for using all-in: he's progamer, he does what it is needed to win, al-in are strat like other and he's a great player he has proved it so many times last year and in this season of the GSL how good it is: the three first game against Squirtle were well played and he did an amazing job against Parting . I blame just a bit Blizzard for the MULE, couldn't they add something like the MULE can't mine if there are less than 5 scv mining or something like that? It wouldn't change the game at all except those all-in which are getting really annoying... But you have to understand thats a part of the game... To nerf Terran again just because of this would be absurd. It was a best of 7 which went down to the 7th game and was even. Squirtle pretty much held the cheese off initially too... if he hadn't tried to go down the ramp to kill the barracks he would have won straight up. I don't think this one game should change anything on balance since it was more a poor decision by Squirtle and bad micro that cost him the game not some imbalance. | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
"Lol noob, you cant let protoss to max and have that doom ball ofc you will lose. Every good terran will not let it go to late game" Guess what? Mvp just did it. | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:47 Lovely_US wrote: But you have to understand thats a part of the game... To nerf Terran again just because of this would be absurd. It was a best of 7 which went down to the 7th game and was even. Squirtle pretty much held the cheese off initially too... if he hadn't tried to go down the ramp to kill the barracks he would have won straight up. I don't think this one game should change anything on balance since it was more a poor decision by Squirtle and bad micro that cost him the game not some imbalance. I totally agree that Squirtle could have done way better once he holded the first "wave" but by the change I propose, you can still 2 rax just as MVP did but it you can't abuse on the MULE two much. | ||
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Fogger
United States55 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:42 Lovely_US wrote: He'll be known as the first person to win 4 GSLs and the first person to eclipse $300K in earnings from GSL... Dude cheesing is part of the game. You know he cheesed Hero in his games too? Guess what: Hero went 2:0 vs him. It's not like cheesing is an "auto-win" strategy like everyone claims... In fact assuming it isn't a build order win (i.e. if Squirtle Nexus first vs the proxy 2 rax) then it comes completely down to micro which is ultimately based on skill... with good positioning and control MVP was able to pick off a few free stalkers and a zealot. Stop whining... Squirtle 4-gated the first game but thats not cheese? Squirtle had a 400/300 unit hard counter a 20+ BC army because of 1 mistake? A lot of money goes into investing into that type of army, and for it all to die to 1 unit is something that SC1 never had and SC2 shouldn't have. Squirtle didnt proxy 2 gate like a bitch, a 4 gate may be almost all in but you may still expand off of that and show the fans a great game. MVP proxy 2 rax like a bitch and shows he doesn't care about his fans at all he just wants to win using the cheapest way possible. MVP is not a champ just a pro cheeser. Its all good though I'm sure HOTS will fix these stupid cheese all ins and MVP wont be able to use gimmicks to win much longer. I applaud squirtle for being the true champ and defending a cheap cheese like a champ. I will try my hardest to see MVP gets into the recordbooks for most GSL finals won by cheese and overall gayness... | ||
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Lazzi
Switzerland1923 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:49 Darrkhan wrote: And wtf you protoss players??? When Terran players cry about balance you say: "Lol noob, you cant let protoss to max and have that doom ball ofc you will lose. Every good terran will not let it go to late game" Guess what? Mvp just did it. I have no issue about what MVP did, it was well played, really . But I think that the MULE is broken in situation like the very end of the last game : he had no more scv but still an income big enough to make two marines at one time. I have no issue neither with the fact that the MULE helps in the "early stages" of this strat when MVP had still 5-6 worker mining. | ||
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Bamm
Sweden279 Posts
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Lovely_US
United States94 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:51 Lazzi wrote: I totally agree that Squirtle could have done way better once he holded the first "wave" but by the change I propose, you can still 2 rax just as MVP did but it you can't abuse on the MULE two much. It's not really abuse: it's using what you have and making the most of it. Would you call a Protoss deathball composition abusing it? Protoss do it in every single game vs Terran and it's pretty much unstoppable in the late game. Would you call a Mothership vortex abuse? I would with your definition, because you're saying the Mule won him the game essentially. Well the Vortex in game 5 won him the game as well, and vortex on a Zerg army can help win (even a part of the army instead of the whole thing). Zergs have Queens that inject that allow them to have tons of larvae even if they only have 1 "unit producing building"... Is that abuse? See you can't call the mule abuse because then Blizzard would have to change the entire mechanics of SC2. Edit: Can auto win just as a mule can help win. | ||
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