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+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
I'll be honest, I'm not sure you know exactly what you're talking about.
Team EG really needs some love after today tho 
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Team EG! *\o/*
Keep fighting~
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
I can see how you would come to these conclusions, but I don't agree with you and I think you are missing a lot of the team dynamic & the obvious ROI of players. I, too, don't understand the lzgamer situation entirely. A lot of the time he doesn't live at the house , so the expenses are obviously much more minimal on him than the others. He also doesn't attend a lot of events. So, I'm thinking(could be entirely off the ball with this) that since the cost is low, he's not really hurting them so much financially, so dropping him isn't something that is necessary.
Machine has a large following, streams regularly, is entertaining and brings in more viewers. There really isn't a reason to drop him at all.
I love EG, and have followed them and compLexity since the teams inception with counter strike,. It's pretty amazing what they've grown to be. I think the main issue right now is that the team house is an overly lax environment. It'd be nice if they just had a bit more organization with practice. I kind of place demuslim on the same pedestal as idra in that he has a ridiculous amount of potential that just needs to be harnessed. I don't think a korean teamhouse type environment is what they all need, but just something more regimented like 4-6 hours a day set aside for specific practice.
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I love machine don't kick him. The only one I never really hear abaut is LZgamer. But don't think its our job to say who they kick and who they keep.
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On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
So you dropped people and now you replace them with.... well who?
Who do you want to replace them with? Who isn't bound by another team? Take all the foreigner teams you can think off, now you can probably think of one in each team that is actually good. The biggest teams like quantic and EG they have a few more great players.
Liquid has weak players
Empire has weak players
EG has weak players
FXO has weak players
Quantic has weak players
Everyone have weak players - INCLUDING korean teams.
DonRaegu? He was on the B team for sometime. There are ton of korean players who were terrible (San for the most popular example) and then suddenly rose.
Korean teams have their B teams, foreigners to. It is just that Koreans have such a gaming culture that they have a ton more A level people.
If they never deliver, sure they will be dropped in time. But it is worthless speculating and not have a perspective on it while remembering that a team needs a B team.
Also TIL: Winning 2 NASL and been in Code S is mediocre.
I am actually going to continue my rant: People are really fucking underestimating big tournament wins. How many have won IEM's? How many have won MLG's? How many have won Dreamhacks? How many have won Assembly's?
Not many... Not many at all.. Compared to literally everyone: EG is a fucking massive achivement hogging team.
Most depressing is for example another teams' player - LiquidRet. He wins the motherfucking RED BULL battlegrounds, and it is already forgotten.
God the monthly newf***s who come in here and all give the same bullshit explanation how players ''Need'' to drop players and teams ''need'' to take action - Like there is a damn problem or something.
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On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
drop jyp? LOL
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I'm going to have to agree with Facultyadjutant. People look too much at achievements. If achievements were really the only thing, then why do teams even have "bad players"? It's because they're actually good, they just haven't made results for one reason or another.
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On June 14 2012 04:17 erw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
drop jyp? LOL
this guy has zero idea of what goes into running a team as a business.
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On June 14 2012 04:17 erw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
drop jyp? LOL
while his intentions were probably good, and we was just expressing his opinion (which is fine) he doesnt appear to have a great understanding of what players really do, what/how they contribute, and how popular they really are.
-Puma: boring player? are you kidding? he has among the most agressive and hearstring tugging play of just about anyone...one moment, you thinking "Puma what are you doing!?!?!", then 30 seconds later "Puma, your a f*cking genius!". his multitasking is among the top 5 in the world, and his buildorders are just as diverse... oh, and if mediorce is winning 80 grand worth of prize money AFTER winning NASL season 1 (was on TSL) is "decent" you need your cranium checked... is he shy? yea... like every other korean... NONE of them are actually very social... MC/MKP/DRG including... oh and btw, besides obvious players like Idra, stephano and MKP/DRG, Puma had the largest (or very close to) crowds watching off the main stage at Anaheim. he had so many players watching that people had to go to the other side and watch the FPV of his opponents bc there was actually room over there, but as soon as he won, both sides would erupt in cheering. so he must not be too boring. to give you an idea, more people watched Puma v Alicia WHILE Sase v Polt was going on on the main stage than the MC v Monster game with noone on stage.
-same with Machine, while his run wasnt great at Anaheim, it didnt matter, he would hang out with the fans all weekend and watch games with us, and talk to us. i watched a set with Machine for about 45 minutes, Select, and MKP were sitting beside him as well, and during that time, more people approached him for his autograph than both of them combined. Keep in mind that MKP was hardly ever in the main area the entire weekend. so other than signing at a booth with DRG on the opening hour of day 1, not many people ever saw him. his following really is huge. and he really is that good. he just hasnt strung it together for a decent win yet.
-rest are obvious and dont need explanation. EG is REALLY strong right now, easily better than any other foreign team, even if 2012 had a rocky start
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On June 14 2012 04:36 klops wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 04:17 erw wrote:On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
drop jyp? LOL this guy has zero idea of what goes into running a team as a business.
last i checked, coming in as the anchor for GSTL for SlayerS and while they may be "partnered" he is not a real member of their team, so playing him would be apprehensive to start with, and scoring double wins to get them into the next round, and coming from the open bracket and into pool play was good for business
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On June 14 2012 04:15 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
So you dropped people and now you replace them with.... well who? Who do you want to replace them with? Who isn't bound by another team? Take all the foreigner teams you can think off, now you can probably think of one in each team that is actually good. The biggest teams like quantic and EG they have a few more great players. Liquid has weak players Empire has weak players EG has weak players FXO has weak players Quantic has weak players Everyone have weak players - INCLUDING korean teams. DonRaegu? He was on the B team for sometime. There are ton of korean players who were terrible (San for the most popular example) and then suddenly rose. Korean teams have their B teams, foreigners to. It is just that Koreans have such a gaming culture that they have a ton more A level people. If they never deliver, sure they will be dropped in time. But it is worthless speculating and not have a perspective on it while remembering that a team needs a B team. Also TIL: Winning 2 NASL and been in Code S is mediocre. I am actually going to continue my rant: People are really fucking underestimating big tournament wins. How many have won IEM's? How many have won MLG's? How many have won Dreamhacks? How many have won Assembly's? Not many... Not many at all.. Compared to literally everyone: EG is a fucking massive achivement hogging team. Most depressing is for example another teams' player - LiquidRet. He wins the motherfucking RED BULL battlegrounds, and it is already forgotten. God the monthly newf***s who come in here and all give the same bullshit explanation how players ''Need'' to drop players and teams ''need'' to take action - Like there is a damn problem or something.
Finally, someone who knows his stuff and knows how to check facts. It is so annoying reading so many wrong comments on TL about EG.
and it really boogles my mind how so many people are always downplaying EG. I asure you, an EG player can win the GSL and people will find a way to try to downplay it.
EG is really succesfull and a pretty good and smart company. They know what they do.
The only thing i kind of disagree with you is Ret about red bull battlegrounds. Yes, he did beat very good players, but the reason nobody talkes about it is, that it was a very very small tournament (1k $) and he only had to face 3 players in the whole tournament, as he and the others of the invited 4 players started a round later. It is just not so comparebale with other tournaments, where you need at least 3 matches to get out of the pool play. Still, he did beat 3 of the best foreigne players (With Sase at the finals).
On June 14 2012 04:53 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 04:17 erw wrote:On June 13 2012 14:54 CaptainCharisma wrote:
I was going to write this in response to something in another thread, but have decided to write it here.
For EG right now, here's what I think about their team members (note, this is assuming they are paid a decent salary):
Lzgamer: I've heard his name mentioned quite a bit, but I have no idea what he looks like. He doesn't have any good results and I don't understand why he is even in the team to begin with. DEFINITELY DROP.
Machine: He has been in the team long enough to expect some performances above where he is currently at. He has some exposure from being in commercials, but really, I feel like a lot of people could be equally appealing as him in such contexts. He is a nice guy so dropping him would feel bad, but I don't think he is worth having on the team. PROBABLY DROP.
JYP: JYP suffers from the boring Korean syndrome. He was bought when he was a real rising star, but since joining EG he has been fairly mediocre. PROBABLY DROP.
Puma: Like JYP, Puma suffers from the boring Korean syndrome, and was bought as a rising star. However, unlike JYP, he has managed to scrape together good results while playing for EG. I feel like EG enjoy being able to bring up Puma's results so as to make each tournament where the rest of the team does shit not seem so bad. PROBABLY KEEP.
Huk: I think at the time Huk was acquired he was probably considered the best foreigner? His signing was appropriate at the time, but since then I feel like Huk has been a very bad team member, not necessarily in terms of performance (although he has clearly dropped off in that regard) but he doesn't seem to have the team spirit. I think he misses Liquid too much. That said, he has a large following and a good personality. PROBABLY KEEP (but decrease his pay or something)
Demuslim: Demuslim has a good following and stream presence, and seems well suited to the team environment. Demuslim benefits from the fact that there are not many other good foreigner Terrans who could take his place, especially from NA or the UK. I may be somewhat biased here because I play Terran and he is one of my favourite players/streamers. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Idra: Although he is no longer the player he used to be, he is still pretty decent in terms of the foreigner scene. But that doesn't matter. He is clearly one of, if not the most prominent foreigner player because of his personality and his love-to-hate qualities. He also appears on shows which is good, and does a good job promoting his sponsors. This is a no-brainer. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Incontrol: Again, another no-brainer. He is a prominent community figure because he is an excellent showman. His poor results don't matter. In fact, he could give up playing SC2 professionally altogether and his value to EG would still be astronomical as a community figure / caster / team coach / manager. DEFINITELY KEEP.
Thorzain : Newly acquired, so obviously keep. But more than that, he is easily one of the top 3 foreign Terrans over a long time so his signing on that basis alone is warranted. But even more still, he has tournament results under his belt. He has a large following and everyone seems to like him, so a really good signing here. DEFINITELY KEEP.
drop jyp? LOL while his intentions were probably good, and we was just expressing his opinion (which is fine) he doesnt appear to have a great understanding of what players really do, what/how they contribute, and how popular they really are. -Puma: boring player? are you kidding? he has among the most agressive and hearstring tugging play of just about anyone...one moment, you thinking "Puma what are you doing!?!?!", then 30 seconds later "Puma, your a f*cking genius!". his multitasking is among the top 5 in the world, and his buildorders are just as diverse... oh, and if mediorce is winning 80 grand worth of prize money AFTER winning NASL season 1 (was on TSL) is "decent" you need your cranium checked... is he shy? yea... like every other korean... NONE of them are actually very social... MC/MKP/DRG including... oh and btw, besides obvious players like Idra, stephano and MKP/DRG, Puma had the largest (or very close to) crowds watching off the main stage at Anaheim. he had so many players watching that people had to go to the other side and watch the FPV of his opponents bc there was actually room over there, but as soon as he won, both sides would erupt in cheering. so he must not be too boring. to give you an idea, more people watched Puma v Alicia WHILE Sase v Polt was going on on the main stage than the MC v Monster game with noone on stage. -same with Machine, while his run wasnt great at Anaheim, it didnt matter, he would hang out with the fans all weekend and watch games with us, and talk to us. i watched a set with Machine for about 45 minutes, Select, and MKP were sitting beside him as well, and during that time, more people approached him for his autograph than both of them combined. Keep in mind that MKP was hardly ever in the main area the entire weekend. so other than signing at a booth with DRG on the opening hour of day 1, not many people ever saw him. his following really is huge. and he really is that good. he just hasnt strung it together for a decent win yet. -rest are obvious and dont need explanation. EG is REALLY strong right now, easily better than any other foreign team, even if 2012 had a rocky start
oh wow, these are some very interesting insides to the tournaments. It really makes me wish to be at an mlg. And that more people watched Puma than a foreigner is awesome (Puma is my favorite player).
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Canada1152 Posts
What he meant by boring Korean is probably just about his personality, just speculating.
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On June 14 2012 07:37 MetalPanda wrote:
What he meant by boring Korean is probably just about his personality, just speculating.
their english is the equivalent of a 3 year old....(for most of them) its not their fault they just dont understand you... most of them really do TRY though. Puma is actually my favorite player as well. i traveled over 2000 miles in large part just to see him. but ill give you an idea of what they are like, and you can decide if they are boring
-Clide- first korean i met. i met him in the lobby of the hilton on the first day (nearly every pro stayed at the hilton, its connected to the convention center) it was about 10am (early for the event to start)i was wearing my EG jersey (from split reason) and he walking around nervously alone bc he was clearly lost, i woke up to him and say "Clide!" and he smiles and points at me and my shirt and says "you pro gamer?" i said smiling "no, me PuMa fan!" and then he start smiling says "where Puma?" and i tell him I dont know and i walked him to the convention center (where Ryung and Alicia where it turned out) and he said thank you and joined them. not awkward, REALLY nice. never really was a clide fan, am now.
-MC- he may be wild on stage, but hes not at ALL otherwise, if anything, hes a little stuck up
-Leenock- on the convention floor, NEVER stops smiling, didnt really speak english, but knew i wanted an autograph and signed, understood the baby stuff (plz, thank you, fan) but was great lol, like a little smiling budha
-Alive- i though he may be a little hard to find due to how good he was, walked around with Polt all day and signed for people, understood a little. once again super nice.
-Zenio-if im not mistaken, he speaks good english, i didnt really get to talk to him much, but he seemed the most charismatic of every korean. always stood in the crowd with us near the open bracket area, and clearly didnt mind talking to people.
-MKP- all smiles, ALL the time. that signature MKP smile that makes fangirls (and boys) wilt. even signed for me as he watched Puma, and i thought he would be sad, bc i caught him right after Stephano beat him. still happy. and would take pics with people.
-Symbol and Polt- alot like Alive, they walked around all day and were happy to meet/sign for people. (Symbol was quite popular due to the recent GSTL raping he delivered)
-PuMa and JYP- FINALLY met Puma, he was happy, hes really shy, but i managed to catch them psuedo-alone. i told him "you my favorite player, i travel here just for you!" and he smiled shyly and did the "hand through his hair" thing he does when hes about to talk for a translator. and says "thank you!"i totally forgot how JYP was bc i was too busy swooning at Puma. id imagine he was cool though lol.
-Choya, Lucky, Leta (kespa player) and Oz- they were watching Puma vs Ret with me on the side stage. i was quiet for a bit bc the Koreans really didnt come out the crowd much at all after day 2 bc they ALWAYS got mobbed. so i let them be, after puma won the first game,i turned and said "Leta, i watch you in BW!" Leta looked alot differnt then his TLPD pic so im pretty sure almost noone recognized him, and when i said that he got happy/shy and said he was thankful and "he try to play good for me tonight". the other three were equally happy
-Bonus-Stephano- not korean, but jsut as bit as happy and friendly as you could imagine, he took pics and hung out with us EVERY day, and partied with us even, Kid is crazy, him and Bling are freaking hilarious when drunk. on the third night after everything around 1am, we were coming out of our hotel room party and he's the hall with 2 chicks, and he sees us, starts smiling and they start hurrying down the hall. and he trips bc hes drunk and we start teasing him the hall and hes laughing and he disappears into one of the rooms with them. ill let you make up the rest, but im pretty sure i knew what i saw lol.
one side note about the koreans that u may not realize on online. they all bascially know each other/are friends, and they all like to hang out. even with the kespa players and such. and its hard to interact with your american fans when its challenge to understand them, then where you start getting mobs by dozens of people. of course they start to retract and dont mix with the crowd. its an overload. hell the american players do it, and they can understand us.
i could tell you how Huk got kicked out of the arena for a while on day 2 if u want, funny, but not fan club-ish
TL;DR- Koreans arent boring, stop assuming so just because they dont talk much.
Edit- and those were just the ones i remembered off the top of my head that i actually got to talk to a lil, i walked to nearly EVERYONE this weekend, including more of the Kespa players. but this took forever to write lol, theres probly typos as well, sorry ; ;
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On June 14 2012 08:14 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 07:37 MetalPanda wrote:
What he meant by boring Korean is probably just about his personality, just speculating. their english is the equivalent of a 3 year old....(for most of them) its not their fault they just dont understand you... most of them really do TRY though. Puma is actually my favorite player as well. i traveled over 2000 miles in large part just to see him. but ill give you an idea of what they are like, and you can decide if they are boring -Clide- first korean i met. i met him in the lobby of the hilton on the first day (nearly every pro stayed at the hilton, its connected to the convention center) it was about 10am (early for the event to start)i was wearing my EG jersey (from split reason) and he walking around nervously alone bc he was clearly lost, i woke up to him and say "Clide!" and he smiles and points at me and my shirt and says "you pro gamer?" i said smiling "no, me PuMa fan!" and then he start smiling says "where Puma?" and i tell him I dont know and i walked him to the convention center (where Ryung and Alicia where it turned out) and he said thank you and joined them. not awkward, REALLY nice. never really was a clide fan, am now. -MC- he may be wild on stage, but hes not at ALL otherwise, if anything, hes a little stuck up -Leenock- on the convention floor, NEVER stops smiling, didnt really speak english, but knew i wanted an autograph and signed, understood the baby stuff (plz, thank you, fan) but was great lol, like a little smiling budha -Alive- i though he may be a little hard to find due to how good he was, walked around with Polt all day and signed for people, understood a little. once again super nice. -Zenio-if im not mistaken, he speaks good english, i didnt really get to talk to him much, but he seemed the most charismatic of every korean. always stood in the crowd with us near the open bracket area, and clearly didnt mind talking to people. -MKP- all smiles, ALL the time. that signature MKP smile that makes fangirls (and boys) wilt. even signed for me as he watched Puma, and i thought he would be sad, bc i caught him right after Stephano beat him. still happy. and would take pics with people. -Symbol and Polt- alot like Alive, they walked around all day and were happy to meet/sign for people. (Symbol was quite popular due to the recent GSTL raping he delivered) -PuMa and JYP- FINALLY met Puma, he was happy, hes really shy, but i managed to catch them psuedo-alone. i told him "you my favorite player, i travel here just for you!" and he smiled shyly and did the "hand through his hair" thing he does when hes about to talk for a translator. and says "thank you!"i totally forgot how JYP was bc i was too busy swooning at Puma. id imagine he was cool though lol. -Choya, Lucky, Leta (kespa player) and Oz- they were watching Puma vs Ret with me on the side stage. i was quiet for a bit bc the Koreans really didnt come out the crowd much at all after day 2 bc they ALWAYS got mobbed. so i let them be, after puma won the first game,i turned and said "Leta, i watch you in BW!" Leta looked alot differnt then his TLPD pic so im pretty sure almost noone recognized him, and when i said that he got happy/shy and said he was thankful and "he try to play good for me tonight". the other three were equally happy -Bonus-Stephano- not korean, but jsut as bit as happy and friendly as you could imagine, he took pics and hung out with us EVERY day, and partied with us even, Kid is crazy, him and Bling are freaking hilarious when drunk. on the third night after everything around 1am, we were coming out of our hotel room party and he's the hall with 2 chicks, and he sees us, starts smiling and they start hurrying down the hall. and he trips bc hes drunk and we start teasing him the hall and hes laughing and he disappears into one of the rooms with them. ill let you make up the rest, but im pretty sure i knew what i saw lol. one side note about the koreans that u may not realize on online. they all bascially know each other/are friends, and they all like to hang out. even with the kespa players and such. and its hard to interact with your american fans when its challenge to understand them, then where you start getting mobs by dozens of people. of course they start to retract and dont mix with the crowd. its an overload. hell the american players do it, and they can understand us. i could tell you how Huk got kicked out of the arena for a while on day 2 if u want, funny, but not fan club-ish TL;DR- Koreans arent boring, stop assuming so just because they dont talk much. Edit- and those were just the ones i remembered off the top of my head that i actually got to talk to a lil, i walked to nearly EVERYONE this weekend, including more of the Kespa players. but this took forever to write lol, theres probly typos as well, sorry ; ;
What did Huk do that made him get kicked out? Nice post btw, some ppl are just ignorant
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If you guys haven't read Alex's post about how they pick members you really should. Its not always about the results that get them on the team, of course its a big part in it, but not always the top quality that allows them to choose who they choose
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your Country52797 Posts
I'd love to be a fan of this team, please sign me up.
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Holy shit, more legitmate and literate fanclub? Such a good discussion.
Overall, in my opinion, EG suffers from team-leagues, but they do amazing in individual leagues. HuK, PuMa both are quite talented at the NASL and JYP's performance at MLG is still top-notch.
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