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I made a really bad mistake:
Whenever I liquidbet against Mvp, he seems to win, likewise whenever I bet on Mvp to win, he loses.
GSL October finals - didn't liquibet until the finals, and bet on Mvp, MMA won.
GSL November - bet on sC winning vs Mvp, then when Mvp 3-0'd him I bet on Mvp and Leenock beat him.
GSL Season 1 - bet on Mvp, he lost his group and went to Code A.
GSL Season 2 - bet against Mvp all the way and he won the whole thing.
GSL Season 4 - bet against Mvp up until the finals.
GSL Season 5 - bet on Mvp to beat his group.
I'm scared :<
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Bbyong is a strange pick. A mirror against a player looking like a dark horse. I don't know if Mvp knows something we don't, well, he probably does, but it's a dangerous pick, and a dangerous group. I have to be pessimistic, since as Entirety said, Mvp usually goes out early after going far the tournament before. But! This curse is not only about GSL, he has the curse in foreign tournaments as well. And, he just had a bad run in another tournament, which bodes well for this season. :p I am cautiously optimistic, but since I think he will beat Bbyong, I've picked him to get out of the group (Starting with a win helps a lot, I think.)
DRG and Creator are insanely good players. But, they are both predictable, and that favours Mvp.
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I think Mvp understands TvT quite well and will know how to approach the mirror matchup better than Bbyong will. Mirror matches require intricate knowledge of the matchup, more so than any other matchup. In ZvZ, you have to know when to drone, you need to practice Ling/Bling, you need to practice Roach/Infestor, etc. In PvP, you have to know what builds are safe and how to react to a variety of assorted builds, when you should expand, when to attack, etc. In TvT, you have to know what types of openers the other player can throw at you, the choice of Mech vs. Bio vs. Biomech, timings, army movement, army transitions... etc.
Over the years, Mvp has proven himself to be the king at TvT, so I fully expect him to crush Bbyong.
Against DongRaeGu, I think Mvp's TvZ has been in a weird spot lately. Sometimes, he looks brilliant in TvZ (see his games versus Symbol and the entire IEM) with new build orders and wins where other Terran players only find defeat. Other times, his TvZ looks downright shaky, though it has looked more strong than weak recently. On the other hand, DongRaeGu's ZvT does not look nearly as good as it used to.
I think Mvp has a very good chance against DongRaeGu, and I would even favor him. However, this matchup has the highest chance of an upset in my opinion.
Against Creator, Mvp's TvP has looked incredible. In fact, I believe that Mvp's TvP is the strongest of all his matchups currently. His wins in Season 2 have shown that he feels comfortable against Protoss, though that may be due to the patch which degraded his TvZ. Still, his wins over Rain are convincing enough to me. Creator is really strong though, so it also would not be too surprising if Creator wins.
Mvp should beat Creator, though a 2-1 score seems more likely than a flat 2-0. A 1-2 loss is also possible.
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TvZ is in a weird spot lately imho. Not saying anyone is overpowered, but for sure there's a metagame currently that Terran has to figure out. The ball is in the Terran court at the moment, which is both good and bad. Gives you the chance to surprise with new timings, but also gives you the issue that things just may plain not work, as you are the one with a new playstyle, the other guy is using his tried and tested style. And, sometimes I think IM may lack "correct" zerg training partners as well. That is, understood in the way that for all current IM zerg players, it's a fact that something in their play is currently lacking in order for them to do as well as they potentially could. But as an interesting sidenote, it seems True and Horror are the primary zerg practice partners right now, and I have hope for both of those players - I think that for them what is lacking is just that final thing, perhaps confidence, where for NesTea and Losira, going out after being on top is way more severe than grinding your way up from the bottom. But there's no comparison when compared to the IM Terrans or Protoss. Those two races have insanely good players, good in every aspect of the game (Except Happy and YoDa lacks Mvp's cheese skill ^_^).
So yeah, I completely agree with your entire post. Mvp's TvP scares me sometimes. And I think that's because his Protoss practice partners includes Seed, First and YongHwa, with Ready as the lesser known player. And for Terran, he gets Happy and YoDa, and everyone's go to practice partner, Dreamertt (I swear, everyone always thanks this guy for practice. :p) Against DongRaeGu, Mvp is likely the favourite, but TvZ is a shaky matchup. In TvT and TvP, he's almost unmatched. But, Creator is a genius player in his own right, and as is DongRaeGu. There's a reason this is considered the group of death after all. The more I think of it, the more excited I get. This group will be epic. :D And I like all players in it, except for Bbyong who I know nothing about.
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Not sure if I agree that Yoda has no cheesing skill he pulled off a sick sick 2 rax last night
Happy is really bad at it though 
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On November 02 2012 07:24 Dodgin wrote:Not sure if I agree that Yoda has no cheesing skill he pulled off a sick sick 2 rax last night Happy is really bad at it though
Haha, true! That was a pretty sick 11/12.
Actually, I think Happy once sniped DRG in TAC3 with a 2 rax of some kind on a map unique to the TAC3 map pool! That was pretty fun. But that was really just blindsiding DRG, YoDa managed his 2 rax after it got scouted somewhat early, and Hyun making a spinecrawler as well. But yeah, I didn't mean they lacked skill specifically (Though really, Happy does!), just that they haven't gotten as good at cheesing as Mvp himself! Clearly something they need to work on. ;p
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On November 02 2012 07:21 Kasaraki wrote:
TvZ is in a weird spot lately imho. Not saying anyone is overpowered, but for sure there's a metagame currently that Terran has to figure out. The ball is in the Terran court at the moment, which is both good and bad. Gives you the chance to surprise with new timings, but also gives you the issue that things just may plain not work, as you are the one with a new playstyle, the other guy is using his tried and tested style. And, sometimes I think IM may lack "correct" zerg training partners as well. That is, understood in the way that for all current IM zerg players, it's a fact that something in their play is currently lacking in order for them to do as well as they potentially could. But as an interesting sidenote, it seems True and Horror are the primary zerg practice partners right now, and I have hope for both of those players - I think that for them what is lacking is just that final thing, perhaps confidence, where for NesTea and Losira, going out after being on top is way more severe than grinding your way up from the bottom. But there's no comparison when compared to the IM Terrans or Protoss. Those two races have insanely good players, good in every aspect of the game (Except Happy and YoDa lacks Mvp's cheese skill ^_^).
So yeah, I completely agree with your entire post. Mvp's TvP scares me sometimes. And I think that's because his Protoss practice partners includes Seed, First and YongHwa, with Ready as the lesser known player. And for Terran, he gets Happy and YoDa, and everyone's go to practice partner, Dreamertt (I swear, everyone always thanks this guy for practice. :p) Against DongRaeGu, Mvp is likely the favourite, but TvZ is a shaky matchup. In TvT and TvP, he's almost unmatched. But, Creator is a genius player in his own right, and as is DongRaeGu. There's a reason this is considered the group of death after all. The more I think of it, the more excited I get. This group will be epic. :D And I like all players in it, except for Bbyong who I know nothing about.
IIRC Mvp has stated many times that he practiced/practices with DRG in November 2011; explains why DRG was renowned for ZvT at the time.
I'm pretty sure a lot of teams do practice externally as well as internally, apart from when they are facing each other.
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Yup that's true indeed. My assumption was that they train most often with their teammates, which I do think is the case, since they most often thank teammates for practice, and you can see how certain styles evolve within specific teams. But yeah, absolutely, there's a lot of training between teams, in fact external training is huuugely important I think, so you are definitely correct.
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It's good that Mvp isn't playing in Group A. I think the longer preparation times are just what he needs to regain his focus, prepare for his opponents, and rest up.
I believe that if Mvp played in Group A, he would have been knocked out. With ample time to prepare, however, I can't help but think that Mvp will show up ready to take down his group.
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On November 03 2012 09:51 Entirety wrote:
It's good that Mvp isn't playing in Group A. I think the longer preparation times are just what he needs to regain his focus, prepare for his opponents, and rest up.
I believe that if Mvp played in Group A, he would have been knocked out. With ample time to prepare, however, I can't help but think that Mvp will show up ready to take down his group.
Everybody shower this man in e-kisses for providing an updated interview and VOD list. Just wow! Incredible
THANKS!
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No way I can stay up for GSL tonight after waking up so early to watch MLG, so I will say good luck Mvp and do your best!
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1. First of all, I'd like to raise a call to arms:
I have indeed updated the VODs section of the front page (shameless self-plug here: everyone go check it out! Who doesn't want to see more Mvp games?  ) but it's far from complete. Just a cursory glance through some of the tournaments will reveal that much.
If you find any VODs which are not in the updated VODs list, please tell me! Let's make the list of VODs even more comprehensive than it already is.
By the way, I'm going to try and compile the replays next.
2. Let's go Mvp! I think his group is quite doable. Sure, Creator and DongRaeGu are big names, and Bbyong is a dark horse, but let's not forget that Mvp's name carries the most weight. This time, it's not "Mvp with health conditions" or "Mvp in a slump" or "Mvp struggling against Zerg"... this time, Mvp is the clear favorite of this group.
Mvp's time-tested TvT vs. the untested Bbyong?
Mvp's TvZ (remember that 3-4 vs. Life? The same guy who recently went 7-0 over TaeJa, 2-0 over Heart, 4-2 over Flash, the same Life who is known for the best ZvT in the world right now? That 3-4 suddenly looks a lot more impressive.) vs. DongRaeGu who hasn't looked all that hot lately?
Mvp's TvP (remember that 3-2 vs. Rain, the same guy who's known for the best PvT in the world right now except maybe PartinG, Rain who is looking pretty dominant, who just won OSL and WCS Asia...) vs. Creator, someone who has never gotten deep into Code S?
Yeah, Mvp's going to top this group. Let's go Mvp!
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Mvp looking strong!!!!!!!!!!
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where are all the Mvp'ers ? OUR KING NEEDS OUR MENTAL SUPPORT! GO MVP!
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ah he lost  at least it wasn't 4th place
oh well
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Mvp... take this season to rest and maybe get the treatment you need? Don't push it too hard =(
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I just hope he makes the next Code S and gets the Nestea award!
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AA MVP , i always cheer for you, i think next gsl maybe will not be WOL anymore, this is the best momment for 5th gsl
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On November 06 2012 06:48 Aunvilgod wrote:
I just hope he makes the next Code S and gets the Nestea award!
That will be hard considering it's for 10 consecutive seasons.
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make finals ---> lose in early stages
standard mvp haha
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EPT
