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1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 05 2011 21:48 GMT
#9701
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments
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marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 21:50:56
May 05 2011 21:48 GMT
#9702
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
May 05 2011 21:49 GMT
#9703
On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Especially while he's streaming and doesn't even set his to online, must not want everyone to witness him doing that kind of thing but he got caught anyway.
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling. IGN: Mierin
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
May 05 2011 21:49 GMT
#9704
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this


Cheating is cheating. By your vieuw it would be okay to use maphack while playing ladder. Its just like stream viewing.............
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
May 05 2011 21:49 GMT
#9705
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this

Stream watching isn't any better than map hacking
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
May 05 2011 21:51 GMT
#9706
On May 06 2011 06:22 travis wrote:
I really doubt he would stream cheat... what would be the purpose of that for him exactly? He is a competitive, near top-tier player. I'd imagine he plays to win competitions or to improve at the game.

Stroking his ego? I dunno what goes on inside Cruncher's mind, I don't want to know.
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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
May 05 2011 21:52 GMT
#9707
On May 06 2011 06:49 Marradron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this


Cheating is cheating. By your vieuw it would be okay to use maphack while playing ladder. Its just like stream viewing.............


This. There is no justification for cheating in gaming. Allowing justification for cheating IS a slippery slope.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 21:52:44
May 05 2011 21:52 GMT
#9708
I think you guys are missing the point. Cruncher probably wouldn't have done this against anyone else. You guys are comparing one game of where Cruncher cheated by watching Idra's stream to "maphacking while laddering."

Edit - Yeah. It's cheating. It's not right. Blah blah blah. I think it's just kind of funny how mad so many of the fanboys got as if the game actually meant something.
GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1842 Posts
May 05 2011 21:52 GMT
#9709
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?


Excellent point. Next time I ladder, I'll just download some hacks. It's just ladder, it doesn't really matter, right?

Stop trying to rationalize it. If the allegations are true, which they appear to be, then Cruncher downright cheated. If you don't see that as pathetic then I don't know what to say.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 21:53:10
May 05 2011 21:52 GMT
#9710
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?


If cruncher is trying to present himself as a pro gamer then it doesn't matter. Leagues and sponsers will not approach or support things like this, especially if it happens a lot.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 21:53:55
May 05 2011 21:53 GMT
#9711
On May 06 2011 06:52 GoShox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?


Excellent point. Next time I ladder, I'll just download some hacks. It's just ladder, it doesn't really matter, right?

Stop trying to rationalize it. If the allegations are true, which they appear to be, then Cruncher downright cheated. If you don't see that as pathetic then I don't know what to say.


Read my previous post.

Edit:


On May 06 2011 06:52 1Eris1 wrote:

If cruncher is trying to present himself as a pro gamer then it doesn't matter. Leagues and sponsers will not approach or support things like this, especially if it happens a lot.



Valid point.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
May 05 2011 21:53 GMT
#9712
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?


You're acting as if when I play football with my Sunday team I should be able to handball it whenever I choose because it's not the Premier League and I want "a good laugh".
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 21:55:38
May 05 2011 21:54 GMT
#9713
On May 06 2011 06:52 marvin. wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point. Cruncher probably wouldn't have done this against anyone else. You guys are comparing one game of where Cruncher cheated by watching Idra's stream to "maphacking while laddering."

Edit - Yeah. It's cheating. It's not right. Blah blah blah. I think it's just kind of funny how mad so many of the fanboys got as if the game actually meant something.


If hes willing to do it do one player hes willing to do it again. You cant tolerate anything with regards to cheating.

Calling someone names doesnt justify fysical payback.
Bm also doesnt justify cheating.
starfish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States102 Posts
May 05 2011 21:55 GMT
#9714
On May 06 2011 06:52 marvin. wrote:
I think you guys are missing the point. Cruncher probably wouldn't have done this against anyone else. You guys are comparing one game of where Cruncher cheated by watching Idra's stream to "maphacking while laddering."

Edit - Yeah. It's cheating. It's not right. Blah blah blah. I think it's just kind of funny how mad so many of the fanboys got as if the game actually meant something.

suddenly cheating is okay when its funny now? that makes no sense. also, he wouldnt do to anyone else? he'd prob only do it to idra cause he created his own sided rivary/drama with himself and idra and that makes cheating okay also?
marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
May 05 2011 21:56 GMT
#9715
On May 06 2011 06:53 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?


You're acting as if when I play football with my Sunday team I should be able to handball it whenever I choose because it's not the Premier League and I want "a good laugh".


How is that the slightest bit funny? And if you did it once, yeah it wouldn't be that big of a deal.
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
May 05 2011 21:57 GMT
#9716
Cheating argument aside (it is and he should be removed) it does show that cruncher is not a top tier player.
hihihi
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 21:59:12
May 05 2011 21:58 GMT
#9717
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?

Im curious as to if you think "Cheating for a good laugh" actually makes it alright or something
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marvin.
Profile Joined August 2010
United States469 Posts
May 05 2011 21:58 GMT
#9718
On May 06 2011 06:54 Marradron wrote:

If hes willing to do it do one player hes willing to do it again. You cant tolerate anything with regards to cheating.

Calling someone names doesnt justify fysical payback.
Bm also doesnt justify cheating.


Maybe. I don't think so because personally, it was Cruncher just trolling Idra. I'm not a particular fan of either, I just think it's funny how big of a deal all of this was.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 22:00:07
May 05 2011 21:59 GMT
#9719
If anything, ghosting the stream given their history makes CrunCher look even more pathetic. When you have a grudge against someone, it seems like you'd care about at least beating them fair and square if you had even a speck of pride in yourself. CrunCher is just shameless.

You can cover up a lot of personality flaws by just calling them "trolling". I don't think that excuse flies.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 05 2011 21:59 GMT
#9720
On May 06 2011 06:56 marvin. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2011 06:53 Denzil wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:48 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:45 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:39 starfish wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:35 travis wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:30 starfish wrote:
travis, do you really think he'll read the comments while playing the game? that makes no sense at all.


maybe you should read my post again -.-

anyways, my point is, for top and near top players the goal is to improve. you won't really find the people that play(and have a shot at winning) live tournaments maphacking or stream cheating, unless it's in an online tournament. the reason is, they want to actually spend their time trying to improve.

now maybe he is actually juvenile enough that there was some exception to this because it was idra he was playing. but I am not going to jump to that conclusion just because people say they saw him in idra's stream.


also, a question about justin.tv. to be listed under viewers in the chat, do you have to open the chat window? and if you are already signed in to your own justin.tv stream, do you have to sign into it again to participate in someone else's chat?

travis, have you actually read the interview from cruncher? have you actually watched the stream of idra where cruncher BMs constantly? do you really think a person that mock'd this one specific person over and over would like to lose to that specific person? and yes, you can check to viewer list in chat.


except that with this logic it could just as easily be idra watching cruncher's stream. I doubt cruncher cares *that* much about losing. it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


yeah thats what i mean, except its fucked up to see someone go that low. that's same as cheating in ladder. this is one of the reason why cruncher has lots of haters, things he does is just pathetic.


Not that I condone cheating, but you speak about ladder as if it was actually prestigious or something. Ladder games don't really matter, Cruncher probably just wanted to get a good laugh about it. It's not like Idra hasnt spoken bad about Cruncher to deserve this



On May 06 2011 06:48 1Eris1 wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:46 marvin. wrote:
On May 06 2011 06:41 travis wrote: it's probably more likely he just wants to piss off idra and his fans.


And Idra's never done that before, right?



Err, players flaming eachother is okay, that stuff happens.. Looking at a stream of the oppenent your playing is both really pathetic but also cheating. Stuff like this gets you banned from tournaments


Obviously it was wrong. But again, it's ladder - and come on, everyone knows how easily idra is pissed off. Do you think Cruncher really cheated to win, or cheated to get a good laugh?


You're acting as if when I play football with my Sunday team I should be able to handball it whenever I choose because it's not the Premier League and I want "a good laugh".


How is that the slightest bit funny? And if you did it once, yeah it wouldn't be that big of a deal.



My Statistics test only makes up 3% of my final grade, so should I be able to cheat on that, I mean it's not that significant?

The point is stupid, Cruncher shouldn't have done it. I don't think anyone is asking for him to be locked from battlenet or something, but at the very least he should acknowledge it and explain/apologize.
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