EPTI haven't read the whole thread so I don't know wheter this has been mentioned before, but even more than from Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves, I thought Avatar stole an incredible amount from Princess Mononoke. The whole story is so similar it's ridiculous and Avatar stole a lot of the smaller ideas as well (the beast charge looks exactly like Princess Mononoke's boar charge for example).
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know wheter this has been mentioned before, but even more than from Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves, I thought Avatar stole an incredible amount from Princess Mononoke. The whole story is so similar it's ridiculous and Avatar stole a lot of the smaller ideas as well (the beast charge looks exactly like Princess Mononoke's boar charge for example). | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 04 2010 07:33 iloahz wrote: Yes there is. Because we know the total admissions and total box office for each year, and thus we know the average ticket price for each year. Except you can't calculate that for 100 countries with different rates/inflations for the last 50 years. ...at least not accurately. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On January 04 2010 06:01 Phantom wrote: James Cameron does not fuck around when making movies...lol...damn. I guess we can expect another great movie from him in...13 years? haha... Battle Angel Alita is supposed to be far down the pipeline as well. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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KiLL_ORdeR
United States1518 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm It just passed TDK globally though. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I enjoyed the film thoroughly. It wasn't some great movie that I'll watch numerous times; but for sheer entertainment value it was fantastic. | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On January 04 2010 07:55 Orome wrote: Saw it yesterday, damn the visuals were amazing. I'll be really interested how this technique's going to be developped further. It's hard to imagine going back to disney movies after having experienced Avatar. I haven't read the whole thread so I don't know wheter this has been mentioned before, but even more than from Pocahontas and Dances with Wolves, I thought Avatar stole an incredible amount from Princess Mononoke. The whole story is so similar it's ridiculous and Avatar stole a lot of the smaller ideas as well (the beast charge looks exactly like Princess Mononoke's boar charge for example). I doubt he has watched Princess Mononoke but yeah, I found it shockingly similar in some ways, I think you're the first one I've read other than me to notice it. Although I found Princess Mononoke to be far superior in the storytelling aspect. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
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Singapore6164 Posts
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On January 04 2010 18:28 fight_or_flight wrote: I officially though Avatar was a good movie, but fate forces me to post this. Its pretty amazing that he can take the same story that's been told and make billion dollar box-office twice (Romeo and Juliet with Titanic too). The power of storytelling. | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On January 04 2010 23:40 ShcShc wrote: Romeo and Juliet with Titanic too Perfect example of why this whole "oh you stole it" conversation is ridiculous. A great story is a great story. Who here faults Titanic for reimagining Shakespeare? | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On January 04 2010 23:40 ShcShc wrote: Its pretty amazing that he can take the same story that's been told and make billion dollar box-office twice (Romeo and Juliet with Titanic too). The power of visual splendour. Fixed that for ya. | ||
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georgir
Bulgaria253 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 05 2010 01:00 georgir wrote: When I watched it I thought it was an ultimate insult and blasphemy to make a movie that has Ripley in it, and that also has robot exoskeletons in it too, and to not put one of those inside of the other. Terrible movie. Who in the world is Ripley? | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 04 2010 16:24 Shauni wrote: I doubt he has watched Princess Mononoke but yeah, I found it shockingly similar in some ways, I think you're the first one I've read other than me to notice it. Although I found Princess Mononoke to be far superior in the storytelling aspect. lol James Cameron very likely saw Princess Mononoke. It's been out in US theatres and had a lot of critical acclaim and it's the kind of foreign film that most film makers who work in CGI/animation (like Cameron does) tend to check out solely to keep up with what others in the industry are doing. And personally, it was more like Last Samurai than it was like Princess Mononke. There was no attempt to hunt the god of the forest in Avatar. They were trying to knock it down to drive the Na'vi away. AKA, like how the Japanese wanted to clear out Katsumoto to build their railroad. Also, the protagonist has a curse on him which makes him seek out a cure. This is similar to Princess Mononoke but it's also similar to Last Samurai! Boar curse vs alcoholism. Then both are "cured" by the pure, native culture and their simple way of life. In the end though, Princess Mononoke is not as trite and cliche. The guy never actually joins the animals. That's what Mononoke does. She's not the main character. Last Samurai is the one where the foreigner takes charge and leads them. In Avatar, it's the foreigner who does it too. Princess Mononoke is the odd one out. Also, in both Mononoke and Last Samurai the end is bittersweet. In both, the animals/natives don't win. They lose but make a lasting impression on their conquerors. Only Avatar with its saccharine plot has the natives "win." Probably to set up a lame sequel. Overall, it's just your archetypal "going native" story. A protagonist haunted by his life, seeking a change/cure, stumbles upon a native culture that is at first hostile, then over time opens up to him, as he persistently and somewhat clumsily tries to connect with them on a human/soulful level. Then his former life comes back to haunt him with gifts in hand, and he's forced to make the moral choice between siding with "his own kind" or forging a new loyalty with the natives who helped cure him. Inevitably, he chooses to side with the new friends because that's what any brave/unconventional protagonist does and it's enlightened because the natural reaction is to side with your own kind. Then they fight, blah blah, the protagonist knows the ins and outs of the other side because he used to be one of them, shows the natives what to do, and then they ride to victory or put up such a valiant struggle that everyone's touched by their bravery. The End. Bank $1 billion. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On January 04 2010 23:40 ShcShc wrote: Its pretty amazing that he can take the same story that's been told and make billion dollar box-office twice (Romeo and Juliet with Titanic too). The power of storytelling. NO. Not storytelling. The power of $500 million dollar visuals and marketing hype! | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 04 2010 14:42 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I'd only like to state that the number of people who are claiming he stole this or that or the remarkable similarities to other movies.... shut up please. There have been thousands upon thousands of movies made. They all have similarities and just because some are more closely related than others doesn't equate to stealing. Perhaps stealing's the wrong word, but you can't deny that Avatar's extremely heavily influenced by a few movie classics, more so than most other films. While it's almost impossible to make a completely original movie, having an original plot or original ideas in it's a sign of quality and Avatar scores very low there. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
DID YOU REALLY NOT SEE ALIEN? EVER EVER EVER?! Sorry for retarded caps lock but i am totally SHOCKED. Obviously this guy meant Sigourney Weaver who played Ellen Ripley in Alien movies so for most ppl Weaver = Ripley  About Avatar - too long, and i think that if you didn't see the trailer you'd be VERY disappointed by it. I saw trailer and already got in mindset that i will be watching Pocahontas with great special effects so yeah, I went, saw special effects - they were good, not something "omfg soooo awesoem" but good, but got bored b4 movie ended. Plus really if it had at least a little creative plot that would be movie worth recommendation. Otherwise - watch if you want to have some fun with special effects (Unless you didn't see Transformers 2 yet, then give it priority it has a little better plot loool. And cute actress as well )In short - only good side of this movie = special effects. But what else could anyone expect with this trailer? | ||
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