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On September 19 2017 13:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 07:08 Numy wrote:
I've heard the opposite opinion. That Rahxephon does what Evangelion tried to do better without all the pretentious bullshit. I can't recall honestly. Everyone says something different about RahXephon to be honest. Pretty divided and nobody can really agree on what they think relative to Evangelion, though I must admit I think the reaction to RahXephon is almost completely related to how people perceived Evangelion. Very few times do people actually treat RahXephon on its own, which I guess is kind of unfair. Also I don't know where Miragee got my opinion on RahXephon from. I actually haven't watched it, but I mean the sentiment is probably true regardless I think. I've heard it's good and I want to watch it....eventually. Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 05:13 Miragee wrote:
Oh wow, I have read a lot of opinions about Kyousou Giga and everyone said the TV series is superior... What makes it inferior to the OVAs?
Probably going to watch Kaiji then. I'm not into gambling but if it's done well I will probably enjoying it regardless. Thanks for the input!
I really want to watch RahXephon for some reason but atm. I have next to no means to get my hands on ep1. Honestly, I was just bored out of my mind with it. I think at least the OVAs were honest in their senselessness, but the TV series tried making sense of it and it came out as really boring and almost annoying to watch.
Eh? I could have sworn I got them from you. I suppose I was mistaken then, lol. Now I'm curious who told me that... Anyways, I actually watched the first episode at a café with free wifi (call me a nerd...) and now continued with the second one. Looks decent so far. I think I will continue to watch RahXephon and queue up Kaiji after that.
Your point about the Kyousou Giga TV series is something that might turn me off as well. I like nonsense but I don't like when they try to make sense out of nonsense.
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On September 19 2017 13:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 07:08 Numy wrote:
I've heard the opposite opinion. That Rahxephon does what Evangelion tried to do better without all the pretentious bullshit. I can't recall honestly. Everyone says something different about RahXephon to be honest. Pretty divided and nobody can really agree on what they think relative to Evangelion, though I must admit I think the reaction to RahXephon is almost completely related to how people perceived Evangelion. Very few times do people actually treat RahXephon on its own, which I guess is kind of unfair. Also I don't know where Miragee got my opinion on RahXephon from. I actually haven't watched it, but I mean the sentiment is probably true regardless I think. I've heard it's good and I want to watch it....eventually. Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 05:13 Miragee wrote:
Oh wow, I have read a lot of opinions about Kyousou Giga and everyone said the TV series is superior... What makes it inferior to the OVAs?
Probably going to watch Kaiji then. I'm not into gambling but if it's done well I will probably enjoying it regardless. Thanks for the input!
I really want to watch RahXephon for some reason but atm. I have next to no means to get my hands on ep1. Honestly, I was just bored out of my mind with it. I think at least the OVAs were honest in their senselessness, but the TV series tried making sense of it and it came out as really boring and almost annoying to watch.
That pretty much sums up my stance on Kyousogiga. The first OVA was bombastic action with bright colours, decent animation, and general craziness. It was a fun romp that didn't overstay its welcome. The followup OVA series expanded on the interesting details of the world. Since each episode focused on different aspects, it had some pretty nice variety. The OVA series has my vote for best entry in the franchise. The tv series tried to tie it all together with an overarching plot and was worse for it. That shit is not what Kyousogiga excelled at.
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On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad  He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show.
+ Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words 
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On September 19 2017 14:25 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 13:34 Zergneedsfood wrote:On September 19 2017 07:08 Numy wrote:
I've heard the opposite opinion. That Rahxephon does what Evangelion tried to do better without all the pretentious bullshit. I can't recall honestly. Everyone says something different about RahXephon to be honest. Pretty divided and nobody can really agree on what they think relative to Evangelion, though I must admit I think the reaction to RahXephon is almost completely related to how people perceived Evangelion. Very few times do people actually treat RahXephon on its own, which I guess is kind of unfair. Also I don't know where Miragee got my opinion on RahXephon from. I actually haven't watched it, but I mean the sentiment is probably true regardless I think. I've heard it's good and I want to watch it....eventually. On September 19 2017 05:13 Miragee wrote:
Oh wow, I have read a lot of opinions about Kyousou Giga and everyone said the TV series is superior... What makes it inferior to the OVAs?
Probably going to watch Kaiji then. I'm not into gambling but if it's done well I will probably enjoying it regardless. Thanks for the input!
I really want to watch RahXephon for some reason but atm. I have next to no means to get my hands on ep1. Honestly, I was just bored out of my mind with it. I think at least the OVAs were honest in their senselessness, but the TV series tried making sense of it and it came out as really boring and almost annoying to watch. Eh? I could have sworn I got them from you. I suppose I was mistaken then, lol. Now I'm curious who told me that... Anyways, I actually watched the first episode at a café with free wifi (call me a nerd...) and now continued with the second one. Looks decent so far. I think I will continue to watch RahXephon and queue up Kaiji after that. Your point about the Kyousou Giga TV series is something that might turn me off as well. I like nonsense but I don't like when they try to make sense out of nonsense. Maybe we can watch RahXephon together. x)
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On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words
+ Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss.
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On September 20 2017 01:41 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words + Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss.
Yes, I'm aware that removing politics is not realistic, even mentioned it myself. I was more talking about your first paragraph which is what the show was leaning towards and even showed just recently.
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On September 20 2017 02:36 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2017 01:41 Spazer wrote:On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words + Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss. Yes, I'm aware that removing politics is not realistic, even mentioned it myself. I was more talking about your first paragraph which is what the show was leaning towards and even showed just recently.
The idea is mused from time to time in the show as a sort of a what-if situation, but its honestly little different from what we are doing here.
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On September 20 2017 02:56 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2017 02:36 BigFan wrote:On September 20 2017 01:41 Spazer wrote:On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words + Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss. Yes, I'm aware that removing politics is not realistic, even mentioned it myself. I was more talking about your first paragraph which is what the show was leaning towards and even showed just recently. The idea is mused from time to time in the show as a sort of a what-if situation, but its honestly little different from what we are doing here.
+ Show Spoiler +hmm I just finished the Ragnarok arc. Reinhardt was essentially cornered despite the Muller fleet coming in to help and would've died if it wasn't for his secretary talking to Mittenmeyer and Reunteial regarding attacking and capturing Heinessen to get the unconditional surrender. Based off of that, seems like Yang would definitely have the upper hand in a 1v1 same fleet count. That's mostly what I was referring to and I think the responses so far were in line with what I thought. Thanks!
Also: "As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss."
this is pretty spot on.
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On September 20 2017 03:10 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2017 02:56 Sentenal wrote:On September 20 2017 02:36 BigFan wrote:On September 20 2017 01:41 Spazer wrote:On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words + Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss. Yes, I'm aware that removing politics is not realistic, even mentioned it myself. I was more talking about your first paragraph which is what the show was leaning towards and even showed just recently. The idea is mused from time to time in the show as a sort of a what-if situation, but its honestly little different from what we are doing here. + Show Spoiler +hmm I just finished the Ragnarok arc. Reinhardt was essentially cornered despite the Muller fleet coming in to help and would've died if it wasn't for his secretary talking to Mittenmeyer and Reunteial regarding attacking and capturing Heinessen to get the unconditional surrender. Based off of that, seems like Yang would definitely have the upper hand in a 1v1 same fleet count. That's mostly what I was referring to and I think the responses so far were in line with what I thought. Thanks!
Also: "As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss."
this is pretty spot on.
+ Show Spoiler +Man the end of Part 2 was so exciting, I loved that part. I was on the edge of my seat for like the whole battle. I felt like LOGH must have hit its peak. Then Part 3 came and I was even more blown away.
Also, the "soldier-scenes" in that battle were pretty brutal, if I'm remembering the right battle. Sometimes LOGH will show stuff like 'what happens on the inside when these battleships blow up' and just blast you with sheer brutality.
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On September 20 2017 03:25 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2017 03:10 BigFan wrote:On September 20 2017 02:56 Sentenal wrote:On September 20 2017 02:36 BigFan wrote:On September 20 2017 01:41 Spazer wrote:On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words + Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss. Yes, I'm aware that removing politics is not realistic, even mentioned it myself. I was more talking about your first paragraph which is what the show was leaning towards and even showed just recently. The idea is mused from time to time in the show as a sort of a what-if situation, but its honestly little different from what we are doing here. + Show Spoiler +hmm I just finished the Ragnarok arc. Reinhardt was essentially cornered despite the Muller fleet coming in to help and would've died if it wasn't for his secretary talking to Mittenmeyer and Reunteial regarding attacking and capturing Heinessen to get the unconditional surrender. Based off of that, seems like Yang would definitely have the upper hand in a 1v1 same fleet count. That's mostly what I was referring to and I think the responses so far were in line with what I thought. Thanks!
Also: "As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss."
this is pretty spot on.
+ Show Spoiler +Man the end of Part 2 was so exciting, I loved that part. I was on the edge of my seat for like the whole battle. I felt like LOGH must have hit its peak. Then Part 3 came and I was even more blown away.
Also, the "soldier-scenes" in that battle were pretty brutal, if I'm remembering the right battle. Sometimes LOGH will show stuff like 'what happens on the inside when these battleships blow up' and just blast you with sheer brutality.
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously lol. I kept wondering how the Alliance will get out of this. There was no way that Reinhardt will die and the same goes for Yang. I kept thinking they'll have him kill Mittenmeyer or Reunteual if no other admiral dies and that would've been sad. I'm hoping I don't see a Mittenmeyer vs Reunteual battle when Reunteual decides to change course based on all those hints they keep giving.
yes! They've never shown them till the end of the battle. Intestines spilling out while others burned to death, brutal stuff indeed.
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oh boy that most recent New Game developement better be some kind of misunderstanding or Numy's going to buy a ticket straight to JP to burn down whoever is responsible for this. The people reading the manga probably already know more about it but I don't read manga so really surprised oO
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You talk as if Numy watches NG. zz
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please, who ISN'T watching it
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Canada8031 Posts
On September 20 2017 03:25 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2017 03:10 BigFan wrote:On September 20 2017 02:56 Sentenal wrote:On September 20 2017 02:36 BigFan wrote:On September 20 2017 01:41 Spazer wrote:On September 19 2017 21:06 BigFan wrote:On September 19 2017 13:58 Sentenal wrote:On September 19 2017 10:35 BigFan wrote:Man, LoGH being so painful to watch T.T + Show Spoiler +Sieg dying was really sad He was one of my favourites because he seemed to always be calm, collected and stuck to his roots. He also was such a close friend to Reinhard who I was hoping will stick to his own roots. Westerland was a sad incident. I was hoping that Reinhardt would actually give Oberstein a punishment but he let it slide. On the bright side, at least he seems to be giving more thoughts compared to before now that Sieg is dead and he can't see his sister. As for other favourites, honestly, I like most of the characters. Mittenmeyer's loyalty and him keeping his troops on the rope is something I really like. I also like Reunteual. I was a bit disappointed in Yang when he started but now that he's actually putting some effort, it's great. Reminded me a bit of Tytania's Fan Hyulick at the beginning though Fan ran all over while Yang was more limited by his position and still is to a degree. Also, Fan did squat in comparison rofl. Yang actually fought lots of interesting battles. I would say the one thing that is disappointing about this anime so far is that Yang is able to predict everything that Reinhardt is throwing at them but can't react due to the government and politics. They are nerfing him heavily and in a way, it makes Reinhardt's gains feel undeserved despite him being called a genius in politics and war. Yes, it's the current situation and it's not Reinhardt's fault either. For the record, just finished the episode where they capture Pheezan. My hope is that they both survive and eventually establish some kind of peace to finish the series off. + Show Spoiler +If you ask Yang himself, yes he's been able to personally predict what Reinhard's plans was, but even despite that, he wasn't able to do anything. That in itself shows the differences. While theoretically Yang could be the better tactician, that's not all there is to it when it comes to being a leader and fighting a War, and Reinhard's success illustrates that. Essentially it comes down to the difference of tactics vs strategy, and the ability to execute each that sets them apart. Its simply a difference between the character of Yang and Reinhard, along with the situation they each find themselves in, and is essentially the main point of the show. + Show Spoiler +but that's my point. As I mentioned, I realize this is all about the politics holding up him but my question is, assuming politics was a non-factor and he had a sizeable fleet(s) that he can control at his will (heck, give him the whole army control), could he actually subdue Reinhardt? He's able to read the situation and guess the strategy. Back when the show started, they had some confrontations and Reinhardt saying something along the lines of "why can't that man let me win" or w/e to Sieg. We also have others who believe that Yang can actually defeat Reinhardt. Given, I'm not even halfway through the series and they are going to have a confrontation soon enough so I may eat my words + Show Spoiler [LoGH] +It's implied that all things even (which they never are), Yang would crush Reinhard in the field. It's also mentioned at some point that Kircheis could have gone toe to toe with Yang. The Kircheis claim is kinda questionable (and ultimately pointless since he's dead), but he was literally perfect, so whatever.
The problem is, removing politics from the equation is not realistic. You can't separate Yang the tactician from Yang the idealist. Reinhard actively plays the political game to grow his base and consolidate his power. Yang has no interest in doing this, and is constantly hamstrung by the government as a result. Sure, Yang can predict Reinhard's strategic moves in advance, but if he's powerless to stop them, what good is it?
As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss. Yes, I'm aware that removing politics is not realistic, even mentioned it myself. I was more talking about your first paragraph which is what the show was leaning towards and even showed just recently. The idea is mused from time to time in the show as a sort of a what-if situation, but its honestly little different from what we are doing here. + Show Spoiler +hmm I just finished the Ragnarok arc. Reinhardt was essentially cornered despite the Muller fleet coming in to help and would've died if it wasn't for his secretary talking to Mittenmeyer and Reunteial regarding attacking and capturing Heinessen to get the unconditional surrender. Based off of that, seems like Yang would definitely have the upper hand in a 1v1 same fleet count. That's mostly what I was referring to and I think the responses so far were in line with what I thought. Thanks!
Also: "As far as LoGH is concerned, a tactical victory means nothing if it results in an ideological loss."
this is pretty spot on.
+ Show Spoiler +Man the end of Part 2 was so exciting, I loved that part. I was on the edge of my seat for like the whole battle. I felt like LOGH must have hit its peak. Then Part 3 came and I was even more blown away.
Also, the "soldier-scenes" in that battle were pretty brutal, if I'm remembering the right battle. Sometimes LOGH will show stuff like 'what happens on the inside when these battleships blow up' and just blast you with sheer brutality.
I think LoGH might be one of the goriest shows I've seen where the goal isn't to have gore just for the sake of it.
Edit: I'm not.
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On September 20 2017 08:43 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I'm not. On September 20 2017 08:44 Sentenal wrote:
I'm not
plebs
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You spelled Cool Kids wrong.
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just finished ReCreators... not sure what to make of that last episode. I was wondering where they're going with it after the one before that... turns out they just did 20 minutes of victory lap and nothing else. EXCEPT for + Show Spoiler +the very last 5 seconds I guess? Not sure what to make of the title drop in that place. That by itself makes it fun to think about how you're supposed to look at it, but mostly I just feel like the last episode was shit and they could have done that without all the victory lap inbetween
On September 20 2017 09:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
You spelled Cool Kids wrong.
sure, you can be the Cool Kid. Meanwhile I'm the grown up with good taste who doesn't do things to impress other kids
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On September 20 2017 09:54 Toadesstern wrote:just finished ReCreators... not sure what to make of that last episode. I was wondering where they're going with it after the one before that... turns out they just did 20 minutes of victory lap and nothing else. EXCEPT for + Show Spoiler +the very last 5 seconds I guess? Not sure what to make of the title drop in that place. That by itself makes it fun to think about how you're supposed to look at it, but mostly I just feel like the last episode was shit and they could have done that without all the victory lap inbetween sure, you can be the Cool Kid. Meanwhile I'm the grown up with good taste who doesn't do things to impress other kids
Like trying to force everyone to watch Bake? o.o
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