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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
This really is the thing I'm looking forward to the most alongside 3gatsu this season. If only they had some better OP or ED, not really liking either waitwaitwait, I just realized that the girl who voiced Eiriri in SaeKano is voicing Shibasaki in grilish number, who I've basicly been calling Utaha (also from SaeKano) all this time... this is awkward. | ||
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Miragee
8696 Posts
On October 27 2016 09:02 Sentenal wrote: Its not strange for a parody work to have a great deal of love/fondness over what they are parodying. Parodies aren't meant to try make the subject matter look stupid or dumb. That's the territory of Satire, which things like Twintails is definitely not. I know and that's not what I meant. Even though a parodies share a close relationship with what they are parodying they only work if they are different in some way. Most of the time it's done by exaggerating certain aspects of the original. The problem starts if the original material is already so exaggerated that the parody doesn't really top that anymore so it's kind of the same in the end. On October 27 2016 11:57 BigFan wrote: Sounds interesting. I never fully watched KLK, just several episodes but it wasn't bad or anything. I think I'll need to give TTGL a try then if its a fun anime overall. Well, I have the show still pending at ep5. I'll probably continue it at some point but I'm one of those losers who can't enjoy it for some reason. The production is really good, don't get me wrong, it just bores me. On October 27 2016 09:30 Zergneedsfood wrote: Anime is just like that nowadays. Extremely self-referential to the point where the parody becomes the precise thing that it is parodying. Some of it is okay in small doses, but I'm not a fan of the whole "hey we're making fun of the industry" or "hey this is basically some overdone trope done in a different/subversive way" stories. I agree wholeheartedly. I'm fine with small doses but it's everywhere. But people seem to love it. If you browse some MAL threads once in a while people gush over the same references, in different anime, again and again and again. They seem to genuinely find them funny. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 27 2016 11:57 IceHism wrote: Actually, it's rather hard for me to call girlish number a parody. It's not really subverting anything or playing around with the viewer's expectation. It just focuses on one aspect of the industry (seiyuu and light novel-based anime) then pretty much plays it straight. It's like shirobako but replace the optimistic atmosphere with an eccentric one and the happy go lucky MC with a snarky one. I don't think the show is fully cynical either. The main point the writer of the show wants to stress in the first 3 episodes was simply that the industry was weird but neither bad or good. I think the show's message is that there's something seriously wrong with the seiyuu/anime industry. This is evidenced by Chitose and the other characters saying "this industry is so messed up" 5+ times per episode. On October 27 2016 17:54 Miragee wrote: I agree wholeheartedly. I'm fine with small doses but it's everywhere. But people seem to love it. If you browse some MAL threads once in a while people gush over the same references, in different anime, again and again and again. They seem to genuinely find them funny. People get the anime they deserve. If people keep watching the same shit, can we really blame studios for giving them more of what they want? That said, ZNF is the hero anime needs, but not the one it deserves. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Keijo will save anime. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 27 2016 21:21 Numy wrote: I never buy the whole "if people didn't watch it then they wouldn't ONLY produce it". Nothing stops them from producing other anime. It's just how risk adverse corporate culture is around the world. Better do the same old shit forever then die if it ever fails than try innovate. Keijo will save anime. I think they should make more unique anime, but I think there's kind of a moral side to this too. Dozens if not hundreds of people are involved in making an anime (or a movie, or game, or whatever else). Their livelihood(s) probably depend on the success of the studio. If the studio makes stuff that doesn't sell, they'll have to lay people off or go out of business, meaning a lot of people are out of jobs now. I mean yeah, studios with bigger budgets should probably be trying to make something more artistic (and it's really frustrating when they don't), but I can't blame most creators for just wanting to put bread on the table. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Finally the drama is over. But I'm certain Kumiko will find some other drama to focus on. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
too much work for too few animators working for too little money | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
I'd love to see more companies try take on more sustainable business practices. Generally it's more capital at the start but in the long run it's a lot cheaper and more productive. Kyoani shouldn't be one of the exceptions when it comes to how to do production. edit: Honestly I'd feel better about all the shit shows if I knew the people making them were actually making money but from everything I read they basically barely able to afford living as all the money goes to other people. | ||
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Miragee
8696 Posts
On October 27 2016 20:42 Ferrose wrote: People get the anime they deserve. If people keep watching the same shit, can we really blame studios for giving them more of what they want? No, we can't really do that. I still think there should be at least a little more niche anime. If well done they are being bought as well. Which bring's us to the next problem. It's only a thesis but a huge part of the crowd that enjoys the same kind of show over and over doesn't care as much for quality, either. Thus, it's not as difficult to make a show that still sells well enough as opposed to niche shows that have to be rather top-notch to sell. Because of how things are, I have got quite some respect for certain studios that still throw some unique stuff out once in a while. Madhouse for example, even though they haven't delivered anything this year for that matter. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 27 2016 11:57 IceHism wrote: Actually, it's rather hard for me to call girlish number a parody. It's not really subverting anything or playing around with the viewer's expectation. It just focuses on one aspect of the industry (seiyuu and light novel-based anime) then pretty much plays it straight. It's like shirobako but replace the optimistic atmosphere with an eccentric one and the happy go lucky MC with a snarky one. I don't think the show is fully cynical either. The main point the writer of the show wants to stress in the first 3 episodes was simply that the industry was weird but neither bad or good. Wasn't referring to Girlish Number specifically. I haven't watched it, so I can't say. I just think in general anime has gotten increasingly parochial over time. Sounds a bit weird to say since it's always been pretty niche, but I think a lot of anime in the past had a tendency to look beyond its niche characteristics and tell us something that could still be applicable/relatable to us as people and not necessarily us as weeaboos. I think a great example is something like Welcome to the NHK or Genshiken. Those anime are pretty niche af and are pretty specific to otaku culture, but I think even though I'm not the biggest fan of the Genshiken anime, I think both do a good job of telling us a story that can be widely appealing and can touch on a nerve that's more, for lack of a better word, universal. Compare that with something like Re: Zero. I haven't watched it, but most of the "analysis" I see people making of that show is strictly tied with how it's basically an amazing demonstration of "otaku culture" BTFO'd. Like....that's great. I guess? | ||
Spazer
Canada8036 Posts
On October 27 2016 21:51 HolydaKing wrote: Hibike Eupho EP4 + Show Spoiler + Finally the drama is over. But I'm certain Kumiko will find some other drama to focus on. I can't believe they wasted four episodes on this crap. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 27 2016 23:55 Spazer wrote: I can't believe they wasted four episodes on this crap. I thought it was cute. It's kind of typical teenage girl drama but with exceptionally cute anime girls. So the one bad gets balanced out a bit. Reina still stole the show in like 30 seconds though... | ||
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Spazer
Canada8036 Posts
Being in physical pain because of a song? I'd understand if it was because something truly traumatic happened, but that isn't the case. In the end, Mizore just ends up looking exaggerated as hell. The way they built this up was dumb. They spend three episodes outlining the drama and proclaiming the end of the band, and then they solve the problem in 5 minutes by talking and hugging it out. Is this realistic? Perhaps, but it certainly isn't what I consider a satisfying resolution. In the context of a 13 episode anime, it's a colossal waste of time. I think the worst part of this whole affair is that none of the main girls are relevant in it. They literally introduced new characters to tell this story. What was the point of this arc? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 28 2016 00:53 Spazer wrote: It was so ridiculously stupid. + Show Spoiler [Eupho] + Being in physical pain because of a song? I'd understand if it was because something truly traumatic happened, but that isn't the case. In the end, Mizore just ends up looking exaggerated as hell. The way they built this up was dumb. They spend three episodes outlining the drama and proclaiming the end of the band, and then they solve the problem in 5 minutes by talking and hugging it out. Is this realistic? Perhaps, but it certainly isn't what I consider a satisfying resolution. In the context of a 13 episode anime, it's a colossal waste of time. I think the worst part of this whole affair is that none of the main girls are relevant in it. They literally introduced new characters to tell this story. What was the point of this arc? + Show Spoiler + Teenagers are stupid and well teenage girls are drama queens. It was a bit exagerated but I can sort of understand it if you look at Mizore as a person on the spectrum. She's socially incapable to the point where she doesn't believe she's worth being a friend to anyone. What made her feel sick was not the song but the fear of confronting Nozomi. Do you ever get that pit in your stomach when you have to talk to or do something you're afraid of? It's kind of like that but taken a bit extreme in this case. Don't think it's too far fetched situation. The conclusion was satisfying. Mizore gets a little bit of confidence in herself, Nozomi gets to join the band and you find out that it wasn't something traumatic or bad between the two. Just a case of Mizore having low self esteem and being socially in-adept and Nozomi not really understanding her own friend. Eupho was never a plot driven show per say. The end goal is known and it just uses that to focus on the characters and their journey to that goal. The band has always been the main focus. Just because we mainly see it through the eyes of Kumiko doesn't mean other girls are irrelevant. This also steps up future seasons of Kumiko potentially getting more responsibility. She's learning about problem resolution in a way. Although really Eupho is just Yuribaiting to break us once and for all. Kyoani why do you hate us so much ;(. I'm fully expecting Cardboardbox-kun to appear in the finale and become a happy couple with Kumiko while he hasn't had any time in the season until that point. | ||
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Spazer
Canada8036 Posts
Can't say I see Kumiko getting any responsibilities in 8-9 episodes. The two obvious plotlines are sister drama and Asuka backstory. If this arc was intended as a way to get Kumiko to talk more with Asuka, it sure was a hamfisted way of doing it. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9063 Posts
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Miragee
8696 Posts
On October 28 2016 03:39 Dark_Chill wrote: Pretty sure it was to set up for pairings. Like the rest of the series is. You mean the whole show is set-ups only with nobody coming together?^^ | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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