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Fa1nT
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Sentenal
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On November 21 2010 13:14 Southlight wrote: Also, aside from Gundam UC I feel like it's one of the very few gundam series where you can actually tell someone's a superior pilot, rather than noticing they're piloting a hax mech. Thats true. I think 08th MS Team really has only one ace pilot, IIRC, and it wasn't one of the main characters. No Newtype stuff either. You sometimes got flashes of brilliance from people like Amuro or Kira (where you can tell they are good, in spite of their hax mech), but its when someone is owning with a piece of shit mech that you know they are talented. Like in Gundam 00, with people like Sergei, Grahm, or Ali piloting. Their mechs were a billion times worse than the Gundams, yet they still did incredibly well with them. | ||
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Ferrose
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I mean, after they discovered that they could use it, it seemed like they used it in EVERY fight for the rest of the series. | ||
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
On November 21 2010 13:46 Ferrose wrote: I always hated in 00 when the Gundam pilots were like "Well shit, I got my ass kicked. I better use this Trans-Am system..." TUUUUUUUURAAANNSS AMMMMMM! Worst idea ever imo, althought Gundam 00 was pretty good until the second reason, then it went downhill from there. May have to watch this Gundam 08th series. As for my post before, Being stranded and developing a love interest on the opposite faction ... + Show Spoiler + Athuran + Cagali, Shinn + Stella (so sad when she died ) and I'm pretty sure every gundam has some super mega weapon at the end that everybody fights over and the thing about how pilots exit the Mechs, all screamed Gundam to me as I was reading it. | ||
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ace246
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Southlight
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On November 21 2010 13:39 Sentenal wrote: Thats true. I think 08th MS Team really has only one ace pilot, IIRC, and it wasn't one of the main characters. No Newtype stuff either. You sometimes got flashes of brilliance from people like Amuro or Kira (where you can tell they are good, in spite of their hax mech), but its when someone is owning with a piece of shit mech that you know they are talented. Like in Gundam 00, with people like Sergei, Grahm, or Ali piloting. Their mechs were a billion times worse than the Gundams, yet they still did incredibly well with them. That's true. I guess my point was more like, aside from UC I felt like 08th's the only one where it was apparent from a visual perspective. Like Full Frontal abusing debris and going 3x faster in a garbage field was a spectacle, and that one guy in 08th kicking their butt 1v4 with obvious superior skill was also cool to watch. | ||
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bearbuddy
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On November 21 2010 13:46 Ferrose wrote: I always hated in 00 when the Gundam pilots were like "Well shit, I got my ass kicked. I better use this Trans-Am system..." I mean, after they discovered that they could use it, it seemed like they used it in EVERY fight for the rest of the series. Pretty much all the newer gundams have deus ex machina cop-outs. G gundam is self explanatory. Gundam wing has that ridiculous buster rifle. Gundam X has the satellite cannon. Gundam seed pilots just go seed mode. Gundam 00 has the Trans-am system. Gundam unicorn has the NT-D. Yup. That's how they roll. | ||
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Sentenal
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On November 21 2010 13:53 DarthXX wrote: TUUUUUUUURAAANNSS AMMMMMM! Worst idea ever imo, althought Gundam 00 was pretty good until the second reason, then it went downhill from there. May have to watch this Gundam 08th series. As for my post before, Being stranded and developing a love interest on the opposite faction ... + Show Spoiler + Athuran + Cagali, Shinn + Stella (so sad when she died ) and I'm pretty sure every gundam has some super mega weapon at the end that everybody fights over and the thing about how pilots exit the Mechs, all screamed Gundam to me as I was reading it.Now that I think about it, the opposite faction love interest is much more common than I first thought, but still. It sounded to me like you were saying you could define most/all Gundam show's plots via those points. Sure, alot of Gundam series can have a "stranded episode", and the opposite faction love interest has been around since Lalah Sune, but can you use those elements to define the plot? I don't think so. The gundam pilots in 00 were so terrible that they NEEDED Trans AM in order to not get raped every battle. The only reason they succeeded like they did up till that point, was all the conventional Mobile Suits like Tierens and Flags were so vastly inferior to their mechs (and the Ace pilots still gave them a really hard time). Once the playing field got evened with the GNXs, they needed some sort of retarded plot-hax to stay relevant/not die. Gundam 00's second season was such a letdown. It ruined pretty much all the good characters in the show. On November 21 2010 14:15 bearbuddy wrote: Pretty much all the newer gundams have deus ex machina cop-outs. G gundam is self explanatory. Gundam wing has that ridiculous buster rifle. Gundam X has the satellite cannon. Gundam seed pilots just go seed mode. Gundam 00 had the Trans-am system. Gundam unicorn has the NT-D. Yup. That's how they roll. Ehh, I dunno if ALL of that is comparable to Trans AM, but its true for almost every Gundam series that the main characters have some piloting trait or aspect of their Mobile Suit they often rely on. The main difference I think, is the Gundam 00 pilots were pretty much helpless without Trans AM, while most of the pilots in the series you mentioned can do decently in most cases without the plothax. | ||
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Ferrose
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Sentenal
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On November 21 2010 14:17 Ferrose wrote: So Sunrise just has lazy writers? Haha, you could say that. Most Gundam shows always have alot of shared similarities to either the original Gundam, Zeta Gundam, or both. I don't think its a terrible thing to use tested and proven formulas, as long as the rehashed stuff doesn't dominate the plot, or has a decent new spin on it. | ||
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bearbuddy
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On November 21 2010 14:17 Sentenal wrote: Ehh, I dunno if ALL of that is comparable to Trans AM, but its true for almost every Gundam series that the main characters have some piloting trait or aspect of their Mobile Suit they often rely on. The main difference I think, is the Gundam 00 pilots were pretty much helpless without Trans AM, while most of the pilots in the series you mentioned can do decently in most cases without the plothax. My main problem with it was that they make it a lot more shounen-esk where they could simply go into battles as the heavy underdogs and emerge victorious by invoking plothax. This also led to the phenomenon of the 1-man army that is quite silly. In one of the gundam wing episodes, they even had a reinforcement where they dropped the buster rifle to a generic mech and it wiped out a huge army of better suits. In gundam X, Garoad pretty much extorted the entire army in space to release their hostage and also shot-down a colony laser with a single suit. Kira was outnumbered 4 gundams to 1 in the beginning... he went seed mode. Banagher was actually not that much of a hacks... but oh look! it's universal century! | ||
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Kakera
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Ferrose
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On November 21 2010 14:37 Kakera wrote: Yah... gundam, cool, let's talk about it more. Like a lot more, maybe a few more pages worth if you guys could. No seriously, please. I'm sorry that we're discussing anime in anime discussion thread. : / | ||
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Kakera
United States419 Posts
On November 21 2010 14:38 Ferrose wrote: I'm sorry that we're discussing anime in anime discussion thread. : / Yeah sorry that's my unreasonable dislike of mech anime coming out Only one I've ever liked was gurren Lagann... | ||
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Ferrose
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JSH
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You should check out how long K-ON lasted haha | ||
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Judicator
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On November 21 2010 14:32 bearbuddy wrote: My main problem with it was that they make it a lot more shounen-esk where they could simply go into battles as the heavy underdogs and emerge victorious by invoking plothax. This also led to the phenomenon of the 1-man army that is quite silly. In one of the gundam wing episodes, they even had a reinforcement where they dropped the buster rifle to a generic mech and it wiped out a huge army of better suits. In gundam X, Garoad pretty much extorted the entire army in space to release their hostage and also shot-down a colony laser with a single suit. Kira was outnumbered 4 gundams to 1 in the beginning... he went seed mode. Banagher was actually not that much of a hacks... but oh look! it's universal century! I mean have you seen the original Gundam? Amuro was worse than pretty much all of them. The one thing I do miss from the original was the team aspect. It was obvious that Amuro was the main character but they did a great job fleshing out the team where they weren't just simple backdrop. Like they were involved and semi-independent. And slapping, lot's of slapping. Pretty sure I capped like 10 slaps in one episode...they need to bring that back. | ||
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Southlight
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On November 21 2010 14:32 bearbuddy wrote: My main problem with it was that they make it a lot more shounen-esk where they could simply go into battles as the heavy underdogs and emerge victorious by invoking plothax. This also led to the phenomenon of the 1-man army that is quite silly. In one of the gundam wing episodes, they even had a reinforcement where they dropped the buster rifle to a generic mech and it wiped out a huge army of better suits. In gundam X, Garoad pretty much extorted the entire army in space to release their hostage and also shot-down a colony laser with a single suit. Kira was outnumbered 4 gundams to 1 in the beginning... he went seed mode. Banagher was actually not that much of a hacks... but oh look! it's universal century! 1) IIRC a huge point about Gundam Wing was that the Gundams were superior to everything, and that was the central thing about them. In a way they kind of spawned the superduper superweapon stereotype for gundams that ended up being copied for the next 10 years. 2) Kira was far and away the best pure pilot in the series... and you can argue he's one of the best pilots in the entire franchise. In a way that's also a plot device but what can you do. 3) IIRC Banagher has "stuff" going on, plus he's been trained to pilot. Actually I think he was even specifically trained to pilot the Unicorn before Anna took him away. | ||
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bearbuddy
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On November 21 2010 14:52 JSH wrote: discussion about certain anime can last really long in this thread You should check out how long K-ON lasted haha Or School Days, for that matter. It shall never die. On November 21 2010 14:54 Judicator wrote: I mean have you seen the original Gundam? Amuro was worse than pretty much all of them. The one thing I do miss from the original was the team aspect. It was obvious that Amuro was the main character but they did a great job fleshing out the team where they weren't just simple backdrop. Like they were involved and semi-independent. And slapping, lot's of slapping. Pretty sure I capped like 10 slaps in one episode...they need to bring that back. God bless Bright. Amuro was pretty broken, but he actually had help from others (and many kamikazes) On November 21 2010 15:02 Southlight wrote: 1) IIRC a huge point about Gundam Wing was that the Gundams were superior to everything, and that was the central thing about them. In a way they kind of spawned the superduper superweapon stereotype for gundams that ended up being copied for the next 10 years. yup, and that's why we shouldn't rip on 00 too much. 2) Kira was far and away the best pure pilot in the series... and you can argue he's one of the best pilots in the entire franchise. In a way that's also a plot device but what can you do. It almost made me appreciate his deus ex machina more since he's only God half the time in the first half of gundam seed. 3) IIRC Banagher has "stuff" going on, plus he's been trained to pilot. Actually I think he was even specifically trained to pilot the Unicorn before Anna took him away. Can't disagree here. NT-D isn't really too big of a culprit. | ||
Spazer
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On November 21 2010 14:37 Kakera wrote: Yah... gundam, cool, let's talk about it more. Like a lot more, maybe a few more pages worth if you guys could. No seriously, please. Apparently you have never seen a Type-Moon discussion in this thread. Shit gets insane. Edit: LOL | ||
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