Anime Discussion Thread - Page 4322

She gets beaten the shit out in Fate, thus Illya reveals(boasts) that its Herculus
She beats the shit out of Berserker after luring him to the GY in UBW, thus Illya just retreats.

Where Rin becomes Saber's master, fuck that scene was cool in the LN with the music and the graphic of her power with a proper master feeding her mana.

I also enjoy the hints they are giving us about how Saber knows most of the people or their parents! TY Ufotable ^^

Since I've never read the LN (only FSN), were these hints present in the LN? Also, I'm wondering if anything will be said about Illya's mom!

I dunno what route does what exactly but yea they do have those, plus at one point they even briefly talk about it and how unusual it is that Saber is a servant who has retained her memories from the previous war (apparently if they get summoned to multiple wars they do not retain their memories from the ones they were in before). So the hints are there throughout, gradually leading to various revelations that are sometimes tied to the events from F/Z.

On greater reflection, Gilgamesh is massively overrated. He seems to be powerful simply because he collected a lot of toys while he was alive, like a Rich kid with a trust fund. He doesn't show ANY impressive individual combat abilities like most of the other heros. He simply just spams Noble Phantasms until the other side is dead, which is why he always loses.

Its hard to call him overrated when those "toys" he has would let him mop the floor with anyone he wants to, if he felt like it.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "I've never read the LN (only FSN)", but in the VN they do say that Saber had been summoned before, and therefore has previous knowledge from the last war. And if you really want spoilers about if they say or mention anything about Irisviel: + Show Spoiler +

Yeah have to agree, what would you have Gligamesh do, purposely not be as powerful as he is? If you look at the story of Gilgamesh its very much the opposite of a trust fund rich kid gathering "toys".

Despite his characterization in the actual epic of Gilgamesh that is precisely how he acts in the Fate Universe. They never show him having any actual skills of his own besides having the key to his vault of noble phantasms. I an speaking directly to his personal ability, he doesn't show much combat skills at all. Lets not forget that this is a guy who lost to Shirou. He also isn't even all powerful with all his many artifacts. Saber straight up beat him once she actually had access to her full equipment, overwhelming him and his super OP sword. You can't deny his strength but what I am questioning is the depiction of his strength, which comes off as him heavily depending on the fact that he owns endless artifacts rather then showing him using the skills that he used to gain them in life.

You can't separate a Servant's abilities and their Noble Phantasm's abilities. They are directly intertwined. Additionally, the only reason Gilgamesh ever loses isn't because of lack of ability or lack of power, its because of his arrogance.

I dunno about that. His loss to Saber in Fate where she uses Avalon to block his attack then kills him with Excalibur seemed like a legit loss without placing the because he was cocky asterisk on it.

She blocked it, and then he started WTFing at the attack getting blocked, and got hit by Excalibur in that moment. He didn't think his attack was blockable, which created an opening Saber exploited. Its a completely legit win, but its also something that wouldn't have happened if emotions and personalities were non-factors. A Noble Phatasm's true abilities are brought up by calling on their names and using a lot of magical energy, so its not like Avalon can permanently block everything at all times indefinitely, since Servants don't have infinite magical energy. I feel like if I describe what Gilgamesh could do in a battle, if he felt like it, would make me like Rei in the One Piece thread, talking about Enel.