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On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark.  Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark!
Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box.
Try rewatching it.
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On January 15 2014 10:05 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark. Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark! Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box. Try rewatching it.
I'd like to say that right back to you, but instead of rewatching, watching past the first two episodes of Log Horizon probably helps.
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On January 15 2014 09:59 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:58 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 09:52 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:46 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:40 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:22 Ecael wrote:
Did someone really just cite SAO for darker atmosphere and say that's where Log Horizon goes wrong?
There are plenty of problems with Log Horizon. Not being dark isn't one of them. Even when they put on kiddy gloves to make it airable on NHK. Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama). Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark. People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show. Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often. Dark = profit So, why are you omitting One Piece? Is it because its probably the most popular manga/anime of all time and doesn't fit your argument? Why are you completely ignore the massive, popular shounen genre? Code Geass is not "very dark", either, btw. Nor is it as popular as something like Gundam SEED Destiny (for the record, I think GSD is shit, but it is one of the most popular animes of all time). What you are doing is taking your own sensibilities and tastes, and blanketing them over "most people". Your look into "history" is also hilarious. I guess the history of anime doesn't even go back more than 10 years for you? When we look back into history, we also need to be realistic with how far we backtrack. The people who were watching anime 15 years ago, how many do you really think still watch anime religiously now? We need to look at this current generation and the predecessor generation to accurately gauge what is truly required now. A better question is why does it matter? Does old anime stop existing after 15 years? And this current generation seems to think a lot about One Piece, which you decided doesn't count. For some reason. Running out of reasons, so have to include time as a limit to why anime must be dark to be popular. You gravely misunderstand. Anime does not have to be dark, but there are instances where it needs to be. LH is one of these. As mentioned earlier, I am enjoying Magi and KnB the most right now, both which aren't dark in the slightest. But thats because their settings are completely different and they are not put in a position where darkness is required. Magi - antagonists want to plunge the world into darkness: not dark in the slightest. AnoHana - former friends reconcile their friendship: VERY DARK. An animes tone isnt just about the story. Its about the music, the setting, the colors & theme.
Where in the fuck does the music, setting, colours and theme in this and this appear dark to you?
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Holy shit I want one as well.
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On January 15 2014 10:06 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:05 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark. Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark! Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box. Try rewatching it. I'd like to say that right back to you, but instead of rewatching, watching past the first two episodes of Log Horizon probably helps.
Not gonna happen. If an anime doesn't draw me in after the first 2 episodes, then it doesn't deserve more. But hey, maybe im missing out? who knows? But we all know 12 months from now when we got SAO2, SnK s2 & FateZero 9000 to bitch about, all this LH rubbish will be long but forgotten.
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On January 15 2014 10:09 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:06 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 10:05 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark. Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark! Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box. Try rewatching it. I'd like to say that right back to you, but instead of rewatching, watching past the first two episodes of Log Horizon probably helps. Not gonna happen. If an anime doesn't draw me in after the first 2 episodes, then it doesn't deserve more. But hey, maybe im missing out? who knows? But we all know 12 months from now when we got SAO2, SnK s2 & FateZero 9000 to bitch about, all this LH rubbish will be long but forgotten.
It'd be a dark day for anime watchers that's for sure... all that shit they gotta wade through.
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On January 15 2014 10:07 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:59 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 09:52 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:46 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:40 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:22 Ecael wrote:
Did someone really just cite SAO for darker atmosphere and say that's where Log Horizon goes wrong?
There are plenty of problems with Log Horizon. Not being dark isn't one of them. Even when they put on kiddy gloves to make it airable on NHK. Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama). Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark. People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show. Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often. Dark = profit So, why are you omitting One Piece? Is it because its probably the most popular manga/anime of all time and doesn't fit your argument? Why are you completely ignore the massive, popular shounen genre? Code Geass is not "very dark", either, btw. Nor is it as popular as something like Gundam SEED Destiny (for the record, I think GSD is shit, but it is one of the most popular animes of all time). What you are doing is taking your own sensibilities and tastes, and blanketing them over "most people". Your look into "history" is also hilarious. I guess the history of anime doesn't even go back more than 10 years for you? When we look back into history, we also need to be realistic with how far we backtrack. The people who were watching anime 15 years ago, how many do you really think still watch anime religiously now? We need to look at this current generation and the predecessor generation to accurately gauge what is truly required now. A better question is why does it matter? Does old anime stop existing after 15 years? And this current generation seems to think a lot about One Piece, which you decided doesn't count. For some reason. Running out of reasons, so have to include time as a limit to why anime must be dark to be popular. You gravely misunderstand. Anime does not have to be dark, but there are instances where it needs to be. LH is one of these. As mentioned earlier, I am enjoying Magi and KnB the most right now, both which aren't dark in the slightest. But thats because their settings are completely different and they are not put in a position where darkness is required. Magi - antagonists want to plunge the world into darkness: not dark in the slightest. AnoHana - former friends reconcile their friendship: VERY DARK. An animes tone isnt just about the story. Its about the music, the setting, the colors & theme. Where in the fuck does the music, setting, colours and theme in this and this appear dark to you?
OP & ED have no effect on me, they usually just get skipped by me after watching once. Plus sometimes producers use them to deceive the audience. ie: Madoka OP + trailer.
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On January 15 2014 10:11 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:09 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:06 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 10:05 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark. Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark! Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box. Try rewatching it. I'd like to say that right back to you, but instead of rewatching, watching past the first two episodes of Log Horizon probably helps. Not gonna happen. If an anime doesn't draw me in after the first 2 episodes, then it doesn't deserve more. But hey, maybe im missing out? who knows? But we all know 12 months from now when we got SAO2, SnK s2 & FateZero 9000 to bitch about, all this LH rubbish will be long but forgotten. It'd be a dark day for anime watchers that's for sure... all that shit they gotta wade through.
Attack of Titan is so deep though. It's actually a metaphor for America's dependence on foreign oil.
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Canada4481 Posts
On January 15 2014 10:11 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:07 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 09:59 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 09:52 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:46 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:40 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:
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Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama).
Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark.
People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show.
Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often.
Dark = profit So, why are you omitting One Piece? Is it because its probably the most popular manga/anime of all time and doesn't fit your argument? Why are you completely ignore the massive, popular shounen genre? Code Geass is not "very dark", either, btw. Nor is it as popular as something like Gundam SEED Destiny (for the record, I think GSD is shit, but it is one of the most popular animes of all time). What you are doing is taking your own sensibilities and tastes, and blanketing them over "most people". Your look into "history" is also hilarious. I guess the history of anime doesn't even go back more than 10 years for you? When we look back into history, we also need to be realistic with how far we backtrack. The people who were watching anime 15 years ago, how many do you really think still watch anime religiously now? We need to look at this current generation and the predecessor generation to accurately gauge what is truly required now. A better question is why does it matter? Does old anime stop existing after 15 years? And this current generation seems to think a lot about One Piece, which you decided doesn't count. For some reason. Running out of reasons, so have to include time as a limit to why anime must be dark to be popular. You gravely misunderstand. Anime does not have to be dark, but there are instances where it needs to be. LH is one of these. As mentioned earlier, I am enjoying Magi and KnB the most right now, both which aren't dark in the slightest. But thats because their settings are completely different and they are not put in a position where darkness is required. Magi - antagonists want to plunge the world into darkness: not dark in the slightest. AnoHana - former friends reconcile their friendship: VERY DARK. An animes tone isnt just about the story. Its about the music, the setting, the colors & theme. Where in the fuck does the music, setting, colours and theme in this and this appear dark to you? OP & ED have no effect on me, they usually just get skipped by me after watching once. Plus sometimes producers use them to deceive the audience. ie: Madoka OP + trailer.
So it's not about the music, the setting, colours, and theme. Good to know.
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On January 15 2014 09:43 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:37 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:22 Ecael wrote:
Did someone really just cite SAO for darker atmosphere and say that's where Log Horizon goes wrong?
There are plenty of problems with Log Horizon. Not being dark isn't one of them. Even when they put on kiddy gloves to make it airable on NHK. Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama). Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark. People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show. Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often. Dark = profit People want a lot of stuff. Hentai gets a lot of profit too. You're pretty much ignoring every other amazing anime out there that's not "dark." On January 15 2014 09:36 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 08:30 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 08:07 TAMinator wrote:
Looks like they've decided to fuck up HxH with 4x the slower pace and unnecessarily long and slow explanations of how everyone is feeling in 1 second intervals. RIP one of my fav animes Yeah, the pacing is ridiculous. So much for that. To be fair, the adaptation of the manga is accurate. I tried to warn you but you were like NO SPOILERS!! It's that slow in the manga too? o_O Not if you read the second last line. Please go back and re-read it. I'm not saying all anime needs to be dark, but there are certain cases where it just needs to be otherwise it just seems out of place. And in this case I am referring to Log Horizon. People are stuck in a bloody computer game. And unless this is intentionally meant to be a comedy (which it isn't), this is actually srz buziness! And for the audience to take this situation seriously, the characters certainly need to be acting it! But instead its all fun and games and respawns. Oh the drudgery.
So what you're saying is every anime that's good is dark except for all the anime that are good that aren't dark.
???
Who woulda thunk.
An anime doesn't "need" anything to be good, because anime cannot be clumped into something so superficial and generic (however, generic anime can but we are not discussing generic anime in particular). If you're dissatisfied with Log Horizon's spin on the genre then that's your own personal preference because I assure you, many people already find it to be quite good, so in other words it's just another one of those anime that are good without being "dark," even though Log Horizon has its fair share of dark elements if you actually pay attention, moreso than Anohana at least.
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On January 15 2014 10:11 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:07 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 09:59 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 09:52 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:46 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:40 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:
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Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama).
Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark.
People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show.
Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often.
Dark = profit So, why are you omitting One Piece? Is it because its probably the most popular manga/anime of all time and doesn't fit your argument? Why are you completely ignore the massive, popular shounen genre? Code Geass is not "very dark", either, btw. Nor is it as popular as something like Gundam SEED Destiny (for the record, I think GSD is shit, but it is one of the most popular animes of all time). What you are doing is taking your own sensibilities and tastes, and blanketing them over "most people". Your look into "history" is also hilarious. I guess the history of anime doesn't even go back more than 10 years for you? When we look back into history, we also need to be realistic with how far we backtrack. The people who were watching anime 15 years ago, how many do you really think still watch anime religiously now? We need to look at this current generation and the predecessor generation to accurately gauge what is truly required now. A better question is why does it matter? Does old anime stop existing after 15 years? And this current generation seems to think a lot about One Piece, which you decided doesn't count. For some reason. Running out of reasons, so have to include time as a limit to why anime must be dark to be popular. You gravely misunderstand. Anime does not have to be dark, but there are instances where it needs to be. LH is one of these. As mentioned earlier, I am enjoying Magi and KnB the most right now, both which aren't dark in the slightest. But thats because their settings are completely different and they are not put in a position where darkness is required. Magi - antagonists want to plunge the world into darkness: not dark in the slightest. AnoHana - former friends reconcile their friendship: VERY DARK. An animes tone isnt just about the story. Its about the music, the setting, the colors & theme. Where in the fuck does the music, setting, colours and theme in this and this appear dark to you? OP & ED have no effect on me, they usually just get skipped by me after watching once. Plus sometimes producers use them to deceive the audience. ie: Madoka OP + trailer.
Madoka's OP is hardly deceitful lol, you need to think about it a little.
Also Log Horizon is pretty popular, while i think it could use a few people going insane and screaming etc, it probably wouldnt go well on NHK. Its a different take on the topic.
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On January 15 2014 10:14 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 09:43 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:37 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:22 Ecael wrote:
Did someone really just cite SAO for darker atmosphere and say that's where Log Horizon goes wrong?
There are plenty of problems with Log Horizon. Not being dark isn't one of them. Even when they put on kiddy gloves to make it airable on NHK. Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama). Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark. People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show. Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often. Dark = profit People want a lot of stuff. Hentai gets a lot of profit too. You're pretty much ignoring every other amazing anime out there that's not "dark." On January 15 2014 09:36 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 08:30 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 08:07 TAMinator wrote:
Looks like they've decided to fuck up HxH with 4x the slower pace and unnecessarily long and slow explanations of how everyone is feeling in 1 second intervals. RIP one of my fav animes Yeah, the pacing is ridiculous. So much for that. To be fair, the adaptation of the manga is accurate. I tried to warn you but you were like NO SPOILERS!! It's that slow in the manga too? o_O Not if you read the second last line. Please go back and re-read it. I'm not saying all anime needs to be dark, but there are certain cases where it just needs to be otherwise it just seems out of place. And in this case I am referring to Log Horizon. People are stuck in a bloody computer game. And unless this is intentionally meant to be a comedy (which it isn't), this is actually srz buziness! And for the audience to take this situation seriously, the characters certainly need to be acting it! But instead its all fun and games and respawns. Oh the drudgery. So what you're saying is every anime that's good is dark except for all the anime that are good that aren't dark. ??? Who woulda thunk. An anime doesn't "need" anything to be good, because anime cannot be clumped into something so superficial and generic (however, generic anime can but we are not discussing generic anime in particular). If you're dissatisfied with Log Horizon's spin on the genre then that's your own personal preference because I assure you, many people already find it to be quite good, so in other words it's just another one of those anime that are good without being "dark," even though Log Horizon has its fair share of dark elements if you actually pay attention, moreso than Anohana at least.
LH could very well be dark. But they sure did a stinky job with the initial episodes which are the most important. SnK exploded with popularity because of how dark and dramatic the ending of episode 1 was which is exactly where LH failed. First impression is the most important in anime, real life and everything else that matters.
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Oh my god I'm dying here, this is wonderful.
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On January 15 2014 10:09 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:06 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 10:05 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark. Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark! Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box. Try rewatching it. I'd like to say that right back to you, but instead of rewatching, watching past the first two episodes of Log Horizon probably helps. Not gonna happen. If an anime doesn't draw me in after the first 2 episodes, then it doesn't deserve more. But hey, maybe im missing out? who knows? But we all know 12 months from now when we got SAO2, SnK s2 & FateZero 9000 to bitch about, all this LH rubbish will be long but forgotten.
Don't worry, Twilight and Fifty Shades of Grey already showed us that.
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btw do i need to finish accel world? i got 17 eps in and cbf, does it get good after that?
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On January 15 2014 10:21 Bashnek wrote:
btw do i need to finish accel world? i got 17 eps in and cbf, does it get good after that?
The people who liked it more than SAO swore by it, though it isn't really like the author performed all that differently on either series. Though if you are that deep in you should've gotten to the hook for that series already, so if you still aren't feeling it at that point probably not worth the effort.
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On January 15 2014 10:18 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:14 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 09:43 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:37 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 09:34 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:22 Ecael wrote:
Did someone really just cite SAO for darker atmosphere and say that's where Log Horizon goes wrong?
There are plenty of problems with Log Horizon. Not being dark isn't one of them. Even when they put on kiddy gloves to make it airable on NHK. Lets be honest here, darkness = popularity. Lets take a look back into history into some of the most popular anime of all time outside of the big 3 (One Piece, Bleach, Gintama). Death Note, SNK, Ano Hana, Madoka Magica, Steins Gate, Code Geass, Monster all very popular anime and all very dark. People want to see fucked up shit, hence why the news is always full of it. People want to see anti-heroes or disgusting and intelligent villains. People want to get that "holy shit wtf just happened" sensation when they watch not just anime, but any movie or tv show. Dont get me wrong, there have been some really great slice of lifes like NHK, Usagi Drop & Clannad, but they were all very deep and master pieces in their own way. And these master pieces only come along ever so often. Dark = profit People want a lot of stuff. Hentai gets a lot of profit too. You're pretty much ignoring every other amazing anime out there that's not "dark." On January 15 2014 09:36 KazeHydra wrote:On January 15 2014 08:30 Souma wrote:On January 15 2014 08:07 TAMinator wrote:
Looks like they've decided to fuck up HxH with 4x the slower pace and unnecessarily long and slow explanations of how everyone is feeling in 1 second intervals. RIP one of my fav animes Yeah, the pacing is ridiculous. So much for that. To be fair, the adaptation of the manga is accurate. I tried to warn you but you were like NO SPOILERS!! It's that slow in the manga too? o_O Not if you read the second last line. Please go back and re-read it. I'm not saying all anime needs to be dark, but there are certain cases where it just needs to be otherwise it just seems out of place. And in this case I am referring to Log Horizon. People are stuck in a bloody computer game. And unless this is intentionally meant to be a comedy (which it isn't), this is actually srz buziness! And for the audience to take this situation seriously, the characters certainly need to be acting it! But instead its all fun and games and respawns. Oh the drudgery. So what you're saying is every anime that's good is dark except for all the anime that are good that aren't dark. ??? Who woulda thunk. An anime doesn't "need" anything to be good, because anime cannot be clumped into something so superficial and generic (however, generic anime can but we are not discussing generic anime in particular). If you're dissatisfied with Log Horizon's spin on the genre then that's your own personal preference because I assure you, many people already find it to be quite good, so in other words it's just another one of those anime that are good without being "dark," even though Log Horizon has its fair share of dark elements if you actually pay attention, moreso than Anohana at least. LH could very well be dark. But they sure did a stinky job with the initial episodes which are the most important. SnK exploded with popularity because of how dark and dramatic the ending of episode 1 was which is exactly where LH failed. First impression is the most important in anime, real life and everything else that matters.
Well it's more of your own problem expecting LH to be SAO 2.0 "darker for real this time." The first episodes did show people in despair so it's not like people were ok with suddenly being transported to an alternate world. SAO had the players trapped in a game of death with a clear goal to reach the top to escape, but if you die you die. LH the players are dropped in a game they used to know, but have no idea how they got their or what they're supposed to do. This was shown in both the first and second episode with players moping around in despair and others player killing for fun. The players then must make the most of their new reality.
If you didn't like because your SAO bias oh well it was never meant to be SAO. That it didn't appeal to you because it should be dark therefore it's garbage is just ridiculous.
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stop arguing with the guy T_T
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On January 15 2014 10:12 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2014 10:11 Nagisama wrote:On January 15 2014 10:09 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:06 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 10:05 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 10:02 Ecael wrote:On January 15 2014 09:58 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:53 Sentenal wrote:On January 15 2014 09:50 Incomplet wrote:On January 15 2014 09:48 Zergneedsfood wrote:Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Baccano, FMA:B weren't very dark. Bebop actually failed miserably in Japan. It was only mildly successful in the U.S. FMA:B had its moments of darkness, and it always had those very moments lingering in the background which is what drove the story. The compelling story and the laughs were a nice touch, but it was the darkness which was the backbone. If FMA:B now qualifies as "dark", then why can't Log Horizon? lol cos in FMA:B the main character gets his arm ripped off and his brother loses his whole body with blood splattered all over the place from the get go. And LH you get lolis calling you master, random busty girls roleplaying overly friendly retards who hugs everyone & no fear of death due to respawns. Big difference quite evidently. Let us reflect how a loli ghost of your childhood crush that only you can see and speaks to you childishly made AnoHana amazingly dark. Oh wait I know, she is dead, that's why it is dark! Its very dark, but also very deep. You have to look outside the box. Try rewatching it. I'd like to say that right back to you, but instead of rewatching, watching past the first two episodes of Log Horizon probably helps. Not gonna happen. If an anime doesn't draw me in after the first 2 episodes, then it doesn't deserve more. But hey, maybe im missing out? who knows? But we all know 12 months from now when we got SAO2, SnK s2 & FateZero 9000 to bitch about, all this LH rubbish will be long but forgotten. It'd be a dark day for anime watchers that's for sure... all that shit they gotta wade through. Attack of Titan is so deep though. It's actually a metaphor for America's dependence on foreign oil.
Rofl, I love you Ferrose =D
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