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Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
November 09 2013 22:15 GMT
#65121
New Kuroko was amazing, pretty heart-pumping!
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
November 09 2013 22:34 GMT
#65122
Log Horizon is very good. Exceeded all my expectations.
Skol
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 09 2013 23:51 GMT
#65123
On November 10 2013 07:34 Emnjay808 wrote:
Log Horizon is very good. Exceeded all my expectations.

I actually liked the last episode as well, which is odd because I considered all the other episodes to be more or less of a snoozefest. Then I checked MAL and saw it's 2 seasons worth of episodes. Guess that's why the build-up was so slow.

If it stays as good as last episode I'm going to go back on calling it a snoozefest. Hopefully they'll get a new OP (and ED) though... The OP is just so... I don't want to call it bad but I really don't like it. The ED is decent-ish if you don't mind it being so super cutesy. The ED at least is so over the top cutesy that it's hilarious again.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 09 2013 23:54 GMT
#65124
What

don't hate on the Database
WriterXiao8~~
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
November 09 2013 23:55 GMT
#65125
On November 10 2013 08:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 07:34 Emnjay808 wrote:
Log Horizon is very good. Exceeded all my expectations.

I actually liked the last episode as well, which is odd because I considered all the other episodes to be more or less of a snoozefest. Then I checked MAL and saw it's 2 seasons worth of episodes. Guess that's why the build-up was so slow.

If it stays as good as last episode I'm going to go back on calling it a snoozefest. Hopefully they'll get a new OP (and ED) though... The OP is just so... I don't want to call it bad but I really don't like it. The ED is decent-ish if you don't mind it being so super cutesy. The ED at least is so over the top cutesy that it's hilarious again.

I love super-cutesy-bubbly songs. Its the only way to even out my masculinity.
Skol
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
November 09 2013 23:56 GMT
#65126
On November 10 2013 08:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 07:34 Emnjay808 wrote:
Log Horizon is very good. Exceeded all my expectations.

I actually liked the last episode as well, which is odd because I considered all the other episodes to be more or less of a snoozefest. Then I checked MAL and saw it's 2 seasons worth of episodes. Guess that's why the build-up was so slow.

If it stays as good as last episode I'm going to go back on calling it a snoozefest. Hopefully they'll get a new OP (and ED) though... The OP is just so... I don't want to call it bad but I really don't like it. The ED is decent-ish if you don't mind it being so super cutesy. The ED at least is so over the top cutesy that it's hilarious again.


Cutesy EDs are the best, wtf.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 01:32:33
November 10 2013 00:09 GMT
#65127
I never said they're bad, or at least didn't mean it that way, but that they're getting boring quite quickly. Lol @ the linked song, I liked that one as well when it was airing

Right now the ED's still fine with me but I assume it's going to be really boring really soon. Also I kind of assume that there's going to be an ED for someone else and they're rotating at least somewhat? But never read the source so no idea if that's a decent assumption.

Database is just plain wrong in every aspect you could think of...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
November 10 2013 00:26 GMT
#65128
Honestly everything after the original revelation in Log Horizon vol 2, so starting form ep 5, was pretty damned obvious. Not sure what people are hyped about at all.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 10 2013 00:30 GMT
#65129
Eca with God-level foresight. Looking down upon us for our nearsighted eyes.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 00:38:31
November 10 2013 00:32 GMT
#65130
On November 10 2013 09:30 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Eca with God-level foresight. Looking down upon us for our nearsighted eyes.

I wonder, could just be that I am used to the guy's train of thought after reading Maoyuu in its entirety.

EDIT - Nevermind, I think anime decided to not mention something vital. Gotta check.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 10 2013 00:41 GMT
#65131
Another important example of "always read, never watch animu, animu blows, qq I am suffer."
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
November 10 2013 01:13 GMT
#65132
Eca sitting very comfortably in his chair.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
November 10 2013 01:28 GMT
#65133
This is just so, so wrong.

+ Show Spoiler [NSFLife] +
Couldn't find a better pic.

[image loading]
Writer
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 10 2013 01:32 GMT
#65134
On November 10 2013 06:45 TanKLoveR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 06:34 BigFan wrote:

On November 10 2013 05:47 TanKLoveR wrote:
I been liking Log Horizon since it started BUT this was the first episode that got me excited about what was going to happen next, really looking forward to the next episode. And is Shiro finally starting to live up to the hype .

+ Show Spoiler [White Album 2] +
Omg just finished watching the new episode, sooooo much stuff happened <.<. I feel like I have to write down my thoughts because they are too many D:. The people who wrote this show are dicks, maybe I'm over thinking but they put so many subtle details that leave me wondering wtf it meant, specially with Setsuna. I still have a feeling that girl is going to end up beheading Haruki and take his head for a ride in her parent's boat lol, there's something really odd about the way she acts. Unless I'm being misled in which case they are even bigger dicks.

Those little reactions aside, wow you can tell this girl is head over heels for Haruki <.<, you could tell from episode 1 but this episode wow painfully obvious. As it was with Touma. More than once I thought Touma was going to jump on Haruki lol, not just how she reacted to Haruki taking care of her but telling him all that personal stuff, which she didn't have to. I definitely have to watch this again to count the times I was like "omg what? I have to rewind that..:O".

They fucking teased me so hard with Setsuna's reaction to the song when they were telling her about it AND what Haruki said about what happens after the performance <.<, seems like shit is gonna go down :O!. CAN'T WAIT! HURRY UP NEXT SATURDAY!.

I probably sound like a girl who likes dramas but whatever, I really like this show .


Also, silly BigFan, thinking LogH is from 2007. That show is so epic, one of my favorites. Looks surprisingly good (IMO) for a show that old.

NEW EPISODE? WHERE? :O I've been waiting for it but I only ever used the same anime site and forgot to check other ones XD The one I use doesn't have the newest episode of WA2 up even though I've been checking since yesterday

lol. I didn't read the wiki, just scrolled through it and caught something like 200x or so for the anime.

btw FIND ME YOUR TORADORA RANT! It's been like 15 pages or so since and I'm way too lazy to check each post you made. Would be faster if you can remind me of the date/time or something

The episode comes out today, I watched it an hour or two ago. These guys usually post it before anyone else so I spam f5 from like 3 till I see it's posted http://horriblesubs.info/. You can download the torrent from there. You're slow man, don't know where to get your anime torrents. I rewatch the UTW subs (google it) which comes out tomorrow, seems to have slightly better subs.

To be honest I don't think anything related to the anime came out in 2007, probably manga but then again I don't read manga. The anime stopped forever ago, though there are like 110 episodes of the regular show and probably 30 or so more episodes of Ova's and movies. Really complete series.

I really don't remember which rant you didn't reply to lol. I think it's fine probably no biggie if none of us can remember or find it lol.

oh I see. I just use an anime website that uploaded them with different settings and such so I just get the resolution I want but maybe I should go to the source since it's also horriblesubs lol.

oh I see, was just surprised that they were discussing an anime that wasn't recent is all. Thought they were watching an ongoing anime is what I'm trying to say. haha ya, I guess. Well, I'll try to take another look soon than later and if still no luck, just going to forget it. We did discuss toradora quite a bit so I think if we stopped, it won't be too bad since we hit on the main things I think
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 10 2013 01:46 GMT
#65135
On November 10 2013 10:32 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 06:45 TanKLoveR wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:34 BigFan wrote:

On November 10 2013 05:47 TanKLoveR wrote:
I been liking Log Horizon since it started BUT this was the first episode that got me excited about what was going to happen next, really looking forward to the next episode. And is Shiro finally starting to live up to the hype .

+ Show Spoiler [White Album 2] +
Omg just finished watching the new episode, sooooo much stuff happened <.<. I feel like I have to write down my thoughts because they are too many D:. The people who wrote this show are dicks, maybe I'm over thinking but they put so many subtle details that leave me wondering wtf it meant, specially with Setsuna. I still have a feeling that girl is going to end up beheading Haruki and take his head for a ride in her parent's boat lol, there's something really odd about the way she acts. Unless I'm being misled in which case they are even bigger dicks.

Those little reactions aside, wow you can tell this girl is head over heels for Haruki <.<, you could tell from episode 1 but this episode wow painfully obvious. As it was with Touma. More than once I thought Touma was going to jump on Haruki lol, not just how she reacted to Haruki taking care of her but telling him all that personal stuff, which she didn't have to. I definitely have to watch this again to count the times I was like "omg what? I have to rewind that..:O".

They fucking teased me so hard with Setsuna's reaction to the song when they were telling her about it AND what Haruki said about what happens after the performance <.<, seems like shit is gonna go down :O!. CAN'T WAIT! HURRY UP NEXT SATURDAY!.

I probably sound like a girl who likes dramas but whatever, I really like this show .


Also, silly BigFan, thinking LogH is from 2007. That show is so epic, one of my favorites. Looks surprisingly good (IMO) for a show that old.

NEW EPISODE? WHERE? :O I've been waiting for it but I only ever used the same anime site and forgot to check other ones XD The one I use doesn't have the newest episode of WA2 up even though I've been checking since yesterday

lol. I didn't read the wiki, just scrolled through it and caught something like 200x or so for the anime.

btw FIND ME YOUR TORADORA RANT! It's been like 15 pages or so since and I'm way too lazy to check each post you made. Would be faster if you can remind me of the date/time or something

The episode comes out today, I watched it an hour or two ago. These guys usually post it before anyone else so I spam f5 from like 3 till I see it's posted http://horriblesubs.info/. You can download the torrent from there. You're slow man, don't know where to get your anime torrents. I rewatch the UTW subs (google it) which comes out tomorrow, seems to have slightly better subs.

To be honest I don't think anything related to the anime came out in 2007, probably manga but then again I don't read manga. The anime stopped forever ago, though there are like 110 episodes of the regular show and probably 30 or so more episodes of Ova's and movies. Really complete series.

I really don't remember which rant you didn't reply to lol. I think it's fine probably no biggie if none of us can remember or find it lol.

oh I see. I just use an anime website that uploaded them with different settings and such so I just get the resolution I want but maybe I should go to the source since it's also horriblesubs lol.

oh I see, was just surprised that they were discussing an anime that wasn't recent is all. Thought they were watching an ongoing anime is what I'm trying to say. haha ya, I guess. Well, I'll try to take another look soon than later and if still no luck, just going to forget it. We did discuss toradora quite a bit so I think if we stopped, it won't be too bad since we hit on the main things I think


If you want to watch a show go to MAL, ignore everything on MAL about the show and head to the "fansubbers" part (scroll down a little after successfully searching for anime-title). You'll find a list of groups who are subbing it, anything without a language behind it in brackets is supposed to be english subtitles. You also get a rating on said groups but like I said, screw everything on MAL except for the bare information who is subbing what. Once you're there check out what fansubber group is the one you like the most or the fastest one, click their name and there should be a link to their homepage.
Pro-tip: ctrl-leftclick every name under fansubbers if you don't know which one you like and check them out.

Go there and aquire animu. Probably the most simple way to go about it.

Some groups like horriblesubs and commie have a nice schedule on their homepage so you know when stuff is usually going to be out. These two have the most straightforward schedule for me at least and I really like the commie-schedule page to keep track of things without having to go through timezone bullshit and to have an idea how close a new episode is to getting released.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 10 2013 02:20 GMT
#65136
What are some of the great Opening this season? Looking to improve my ipod's collection!
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
November 10 2013 02:22 GMT
#65137
Dunno about Openings, but for Endings, you need this song:

面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 02:51:42
November 10 2013 02:45 GMT
#65138
On November 10 2013 10:46 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:32 BigFan wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:45 TanKLoveR wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:34 BigFan wrote:

On November 10 2013 05:47 TanKLoveR wrote:
I been liking Log Horizon since it started BUT this was the first episode that got me excited about what was going to happen next, really looking forward to the next episode. And is Shiro finally starting to live up to the hype .

+ Show Spoiler [White Album 2] +
Omg just finished watching the new episode, sooooo much stuff happened <.<. I feel like I have to write down my thoughts because they are too many D:. The people who wrote this show are dicks, maybe I'm over thinking but they put so many subtle details that leave me wondering wtf it meant, specially with Setsuna. I still have a feeling that girl is going to end up beheading Haruki and take his head for a ride in her parent's boat lol, there's something really odd about the way she acts. Unless I'm being misled in which case they are even bigger dicks.

Those little reactions aside, wow you can tell this girl is head over heels for Haruki <.<, you could tell from episode 1 but this episode wow painfully obvious. As it was with Touma. More than once I thought Touma was going to jump on Haruki lol, not just how she reacted to Haruki taking care of her but telling him all that personal stuff, which she didn't have to. I definitely have to watch this again to count the times I was like "omg what? I have to rewind that..:O".

They fucking teased me so hard with Setsuna's reaction to the song when they were telling her about it AND what Haruki said about what happens after the performance <.<, seems like shit is gonna go down :O!. CAN'T WAIT! HURRY UP NEXT SATURDAY!.

I probably sound like a girl who likes dramas but whatever, I really like this show .


Also, silly BigFan, thinking LogH is from 2007. That show is so epic, one of my favorites. Looks surprisingly good (IMO) for a show that old.

NEW EPISODE? WHERE? :O I've been waiting for it but I only ever used the same anime site and forgot to check other ones XD The one I use doesn't have the newest episode of WA2 up even though I've been checking since yesterday

lol. I didn't read the wiki, just scrolled through it and caught something like 200x or so for the anime.

btw FIND ME YOUR TORADORA RANT! It's been like 15 pages or so since and I'm way too lazy to check each post you made. Would be faster if you can remind me of the date/time or something

The episode comes out today, I watched it an hour or two ago. These guys usually post it before anyone else so I spam f5 from like 3 till I see it's posted http://horriblesubs.info/. You can download the torrent from there. You're slow man, don't know where to get your anime torrents. I rewatch the UTW subs (google it) which comes out tomorrow, seems to have slightly better subs.

To be honest I don't think anything related to the anime came out in 2007, probably manga but then again I don't read manga. The anime stopped forever ago, though there are like 110 episodes of the regular show and probably 30 or so more episodes of Ova's and movies. Really complete series.

I really don't remember which rant you didn't reply to lol. I think it's fine probably no biggie if none of us can remember or find it lol.

oh I see. I just use an anime website that uploaded them with different settings and such so I just get the resolution I want but maybe I should go to the source since it's also horriblesubs lol.

oh I see, was just surprised that they were discussing an anime that wasn't recent is all. Thought they were watching an ongoing anime is what I'm trying to say. haha ya, I guess. Well, I'll try to take another look soon than later and if still no luck, just going to forget it. We did discuss toradora quite a bit so I think if we stopped, it won't be too bad since we hit on the main things I think


If you want to watch a show go to MAL, ignore everything on MAL about the show and head to the "fansubbers" part (scroll down a little after successfully searching for anime-title). You'll find a list of groups who are subbing it, anything without a language behind it in brackets is supposed to be english subtitles. You also get a rating on said groups but like I said, screw everything on MAL except for the bare information who is subbing what. Once you're there check out what fansubber group is the one you like the most or the fastest one, click their name and there should be a link to their homepage.
Pro-tip: ctrl-leftclick every name under fansubbers if you don't know which one you like and check them out.

Go there and aquire animu. Probably the most simple way to go about it.

Some groups like horriblesubs and commie have a nice schedule on their homepage so you know when stuff is usually going to be out. These two have the most straightforward schedule for me at least and I really like the commie-schedule page to keep track of things without having to go through timezone bullshit and to have an idea how close a new episode is to getting released.

oh I see, didn't know about that. Thanks! Will take a look at that next time I need to find episodes

edit: Can anyone recommend anything like Log Horizon? What I mean is, an action anime that's ongoing atm(not completed yet) which has an interesting central theme but we still have some of the funny comedic moments(+ Show Spoiler +
Akatsuki kicking Naotsugu and her been in loving with Shiroe
). It doesn't have to be the same theme as Log Horizon, something like Naruto would do, just not as long >.> Mech would be nice and I think several were mentioned several pages back but it's hard to find posts around here lol. Doesn't have to be romcom or anything since I got some good recommendations earlier.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 02:58:50
November 10 2013 02:56 GMT
#65139
On November 10 2013 11:20 XenOmega wrote:
What are some of the great Opening this season? Looking to improve my ipod's collection!


Best standalone song in my opinion:


@BigFan: Tokyo Ravens is an action series atm that can be pretty funny. Doesn't really have mech and the CGI can be kind of bad but otherwise it's relatively enjoyable. Strike the Blood pretty similar in that vein except less CGI.
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 02:57:47
November 10 2013 02:56 GMT
#65140
On November 10 2013 11:20 XenOmega wrote:
What are some of the great Opening this season? Looking to improve my ipod's collection!

Nagi no Asukara ed, Arpeggio op, KlK op/ed, Samurai Flamenco ed are some good ones off the top of my head.

On November 10 2013 11:45 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:46 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:32 BigFan wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:45 TanKLoveR wrote:
On November 10 2013 06:34 BigFan wrote:

On November 10 2013 05:47 TanKLoveR wrote:
I been liking Log Horizon since it started BUT this was the first episode that got me excited about what was going to happen next, really looking forward to the next episode. And is Shiro finally starting to live up to the hype .

+ Show Spoiler [White Album 2] +
Omg just finished watching the new episode, sooooo much stuff happened <.<. I feel like I have to write down my thoughts because they are too many D:. The people who wrote this show are dicks, maybe I'm over thinking but they put so many subtle details that leave me wondering wtf it meant, specially with Setsuna. I still have a feeling that girl is going to end up beheading Haruki and take his head for a ride in her parent's boat lol, there's something really odd about the way she acts. Unless I'm being misled in which case they are even bigger dicks.

Those little reactions aside, wow you can tell this girl is head over heels for Haruki <.<, you could tell from episode 1 but this episode wow painfully obvious. As it was with Touma. More than once I thought Touma was going to jump on Haruki lol, not just how she reacted to Haruki taking care of her but telling him all that personal stuff, which she didn't have to. I definitely have to watch this again to count the times I was like "omg what? I have to rewind that..:O".

They fucking teased me so hard with Setsuna's reaction to the song when they were telling her about it AND what Haruki said about what happens after the performance <.<, seems like shit is gonna go down :O!. CAN'T WAIT! HURRY UP NEXT SATURDAY!.

I probably sound like a girl who likes dramas but whatever, I really like this show .


Also, silly BigFan, thinking LogH is from 2007. That show is so epic, one of my favorites. Looks surprisingly good (IMO) for a show that old.

NEW EPISODE? WHERE? :O I've been waiting for it but I only ever used the same anime site and forgot to check other ones XD The one I use doesn't have the newest episode of WA2 up even though I've been checking since yesterday

lol. I didn't read the wiki, just scrolled through it and caught something like 200x or so for the anime.

btw FIND ME YOUR TORADORA RANT! It's been like 15 pages or so since and I'm way too lazy to check each post you made. Would be faster if you can remind me of the date/time or something

The episode comes out today, I watched it an hour or two ago. These guys usually post it before anyone else so I spam f5 from like 3 till I see it's posted http://horriblesubs.info/. You can download the torrent from there. You're slow man, don't know where to get your anime torrents. I rewatch the UTW subs (google it) which comes out tomorrow, seems to have slightly better subs.

To be honest I don't think anything related to the anime came out in 2007, probably manga but then again I don't read manga. The anime stopped forever ago, though there are like 110 episodes of the regular show and probably 30 or so more episodes of Ova's and movies. Really complete series.

I really don't remember which rant you didn't reply to lol. I think it's fine probably no biggie if none of us can remember or find it lol.

oh I see. I just use an anime website that uploaded them with different settings and such so I just get the resolution I want but maybe I should go to the source since it's also horriblesubs lol.

oh I see, was just surprised that they were discussing an anime that wasn't recent is all. Thought they were watching an ongoing anime is what I'm trying to say. haha ya, I guess. Well, I'll try to take another look soon than later and if still no luck, just going to forget it. We did discuss toradora quite a bit so I think if we stopped, it won't be too bad since we hit on the main things I think


If you want to watch a show go to MAL, ignore everything on MAL about the show and head to the "fansubbers" part (scroll down a little after successfully searching for anime-title). You'll find a list of groups who are subbing it, anything without a language behind it in brackets is supposed to be english subtitles. You also get a rating on said groups but like I said, screw everything on MAL except for the bare information who is subbing what. Once you're there check out what fansubber group is the one you like the most or the fastest one, click their name and there should be a link to their homepage.
Pro-tip: ctrl-leftclick every name under fansubbers if you don't know which one you like and check them out.

Go there and aquire animu. Probably the most simple way to go about it.

Some groups like horriblesubs and commie have a nice schedule on their homepage so you know when stuff is usually going to be out. These two have the most straightforward schedule for me at least and I really like the commie-schedule page to keep track of things without having to go through timezone bullshit and to have an idea how close a new episode is to getting released.

oh I see, didn't know about that. Thanks! Will take a look at that next time I need to find episodes

edit: Can anyone recommend anything like Log Horizon? What I mean is, an action anime that's ongoing atm(not completed yet) which has an interesting central theme but we still have some of the funny comedic moments(+ Show Spoiler +
Akatsuki kicking Naotsugu and her been in loving with Shiroe
). It doesn't have to be the same theme as Log Horizon, something like Naruto would do, just not as long >.> Mech would be nice and I think several were mentioned several pages back but it's hard to find posts around here lol. Doesn't have to be romcom or anything since I got some good recommendations earlier.

HxH.
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