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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
July 14 2013 02:11 GMT
#59541
On July 14 2013 11:07 biology]major wrote:
if you guys want objectivity all you need to do is have tladt users rate anime. boom


Everything would be rated 4.7 then
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 02:39:54
July 14 2013 02:33 GMT
#59542
Neptunia was as shallow as you'd expect, but them girls are fine. So is the animation.

I love this thread's sarcasm.

What else. Monogatari is suffering imo a little from the absence of koyomi, but it's consistent and I like it. Railgun is obviously excellent, they even improved the whole bridge scene when compared to index. I'm a little perplexed by the fact that Dangan's blood was pink, but I have to say that overall I like the whole "comedical edginess" atmosphere that the show has going on, I even downloaded the game. I kinda liked Love Lab and I'm looking forward to TWGoK. Playing dota and watching top gear has made me quite busy recently so I haven't checked out anything else.

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Also, ZNF is correct. Like what you like and don't care about what other people say (about it). We have differences in tastes and we all believe that our taste is the best, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't discuss it.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
July 14 2013 02:35 GMT
#59543
On July 14 2013 11:07 biology]major wrote:
if you guys want objectivity all you need to do is have tladt users rate anime. boom


shooooot this guy gets it.

Basically, anything I don't like bad is bad and everything I like is good. That's basically how simple life is, really. It's just objective truth guyz.

/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 02:44:56
July 14 2013 02:39 GMT
#59544
MAL is just a review website where everyone can score how much they enjoyed a show. That's it. In that sense I was pointing out that many people found that particular show bad, as a score under 7 is terrible relative to everything else. There's no reason to believe that TL users or any other group on the internet have better subjective opinions, and obviously even on MAL there will be people who thought the show was great. It's just that on average it was reviewed poorly.

But in that guy's defense, the show hasn't finished yet, and scores before the season ends are usually untrustworthy. SAO was near like 9.0 before the 2nd arc finished. Although imo 8.3 is still pretty high for that show.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 02:44:19
July 14 2013 02:42 GMT
#59545
^

I think some people have more well-informed opinions than others. For instance just by sheer volume of things read/watched, I'd trust certain people's opinions here on manga/anime just because they have more experience than me.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 02:48:44
July 14 2013 02:43 GMT
#59546
That's because there is no such a thing as better subjective opinions. People have opinions. That's it. As soon as I stopped judging art (be it movies, pictures, anime or vidya) by numbers and started doing it by my own enjoyment of the works and by their technicalities and nuances, I not only found great enjoyment in the activity but also stopped caring about what number other people gave to them all together. Never looked back.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 14 2013 02:47 GMT
#59547
And that 'average' is completely pointless and a joke. When good shows are rated poorly, and bad shows are rated well, you know you can't take it as anything more than that. So either you think MAL reviews have a semblance of objectivity beyond evaluating popularity (which is ludicrous), or you don't.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 02:53:10
July 14 2013 02:52 GMT
#59548
? it's not about popularity. Just because a show is popular it doesn't necessarily mean it'll have better ratings. But obviously with how targeted animes can be some type of shows will be rated better. There's a "most popular" sorting method and it's not the same list.

When good shows are rated poorly, and bad shows are rated well? Again, that's your opinion, and to say certain shows aren't getting the ratings they deserve would be a biased opinion.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
July 14 2013 02:55 GMT
#59549
Are you saying that an opinion on a show can be not biased? I think Sent is just saying that because the MAL rating for shows that he considers good are bad and for shows that he considers bad are good, the rating has no meaning and can't be used in an argument. I think ratings are irrelevant completely, I don't even rate shows by numbers internally.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 02:58:19
July 14 2013 02:55 GMT
#59550
So you think shows like SAO, Code Geass R2, and SnK deserve their scores?

Look, even if you say that I have a "biased opinion" in thinking a show doesn't deserve its MAL score, the same exact thing can be said about each and every person who rates things on MAL. If you are saying lots of people's ratings matter more, then that is by definition an appeal to its popularity, or lack there of.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 14 2013 02:59 GMT
#59551
Sure, why not? It's just a popular opinion. You just take it as that. Just like when you go on IGN, IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and there's an audience opinion.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/grown_ups_2/

7% of critics liked grown ups 2 while 90% of the audience liked it. Let's face it, it's probably not gonna win a golden globe, but most people enjoyed the show.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 14 2013 03:01 GMT
#59552
Now explain to me the merit of bringing up popularity when discussing quality.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 14 2013 03:04 GMT
#59553
You're mistaken. It's a popular opinion on the quality. Now if you want to create a group of "elite" reviewers there's probably another website out there. Whatever that "elite" description might mean...
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 14 2013 03:07 GMT
#59554
And I'm asking what "popular opinion" (or however you want to phrase it) has to do with something's quality. Does a lot of people liking or disliking something have any relevance when talking about if something is good or bad?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
July 14 2013 03:27 GMT
#59555
On July 14 2013 11:33 OutlaW- wrote:
What else. Monogatari is suffering imo a little from the absence of koyomi, but it's consistent and I like it.

Hanekawa is actually a pretty good narrator, just that we don't seem to be getting much narrating with this adaptation.

I guess if nothing else it means Hana should be less of a pain.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
July 14 2013 03:34 GMT
#59556
On July 14 2013 12:27 Ecael wrote:
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On July 14 2013 11:33 OutlaW- wrote:
What else. Monogatari is suffering imo a little from the absence of koyomi, but it's consistent and I like it.

Hanekawa is actually a pretty good narrator, just that we don't seem to be getting much narrating with this adaptation.

I guess if nothing else it means Hana should be less of a pain.

She might very well be, but I don't really like her. I don't know if you've been pausing to read all the bits in the flash screens (black, red, purple, etc.) but some good narration can be found there. At least there's lots of crab, though I always end up imagining how much better she would look if she still had long hair
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 03:37:13
July 14 2013 03:36 GMT
#59557
On July 14 2013 12:34 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 12:27 Ecael wrote:
On July 14 2013 11:33 OutlaW- wrote:
What else. Monogatari is suffering imo a little from the absence of koyomi, but it's consistent and I like it.

Hanekawa is actually a pretty good narrator, just that we don't seem to be getting much narrating with this adaptation.

I guess if nothing else it means Hana should be less of a pain.

She might very well be, but I don't really like her. I don't know if you've been pausing to read all the bits in the flash screens (black, red, purple, etc.) but some good narration can be found there. At least there's lots of crab, though I always end up imagining how much better she would look if she still had long hair

I don't need to since they just quote book directly, has been the case since bake. So I know pretty much whatever they are flashing anyway lol

Also gahara-san is growing her hair back out some, it is longer by koi.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 14 2013 03:50 GMT
#59558
On July 14 2013 11:35 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 11:07 biology]major wrote:
if you guys want objectivity all you need to do is have tladt users rate anime. boom


shooooot this guy gets it.

Basically, anything I don't like bad is bad and everything I like is good. That's basically how simple life is, really. It's just objective truth guyz.



man its almost as if I was trying to make that point
Question.?
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
July 14 2013 03:52 GMT
#59559
On July 14 2013 11:55 Sentenal wrote:
So you think shows like SAO, Code Geass R2, and SnK deserve their scores?

Look, even if you say that I have a "biased opinion" in thinking a show doesn't deserve its MAL score, the same exact thing can be said about each and every person who rates things on MAL. If you are saying lots of people's ratings matter more, then that is by definition an appeal to its popularity, or lack there of.


Do I think shows like those deserve their scores? Nope. Do other people? Yes. What's so freaking hard to understand about this. Your opinion on a show is not the end all be all. Maybe if you were getting into an argument about quality of voice acting, quality of sound, quality of art, all sorts of objective ratings, fine you could do that. But that's not it.
Mal measures enjoyment. Whether it be for reasons of fanservice, so bad it's good, unique plot/characters/setting, whatever. If people enjoyed it, then they give it a good mark. If lots of people enjoyed it, then it gets an overall good mark.
This is actually getting really stupid. 216 789 people rated Code Geass and it got an score of 8.99. Are you seriously arguing that all of those people gave it a high rating because they were sheep who gave in to its reputation?

Saying multiple ratings as a source is an appeal to its popularity is just wrong. It's using common sense. Of course 2 people saying it's good is more valuable to me than one person saying it's good. Two people saying it's bad is more valuable to me than one person saying it's bad. If they were the only three people who had watched it, would it be an appeal to its popularity trusting the two people over the one? People are different, and if multiple people like the same thing, that seems to me like I might like it too.

Basically, no, your opinion on what's good and what's bad is not worth more than Mal. It is actually worth a lot less. The reason it's worth more here on TL is because most of the active posters know each other to some degree and value each other's opinions. If my friend who likes a lot of the same things as I do told me to watch something, I'd probably watch it.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 14 2013 04:05 GMT
#59560
On July 14 2013 12:52 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 11:55 Sentenal wrote:
So you think shows like SAO, Code Geass R2, and SnK deserve their scores?

Look, even if you say that I have a "biased opinion" in thinking a show doesn't deserve its MAL score, the same exact thing can be said about each and every person who rates things on MAL. If you are saying lots of people's ratings matter more, then that is by definition an appeal to its popularity, or lack there of.


Do I think shows like those deserve their scores? Nope. Do other people? Yes. What's so freaking hard to understand about this. Your opinion on a show is not the end all be all. Maybe if you were getting into an argument about quality of voice acting, quality of sound, quality of art, all sorts of objective ratings, fine you could do that. But that's not it.
Mal measures enjoyment. Whether it be for reasons of fanservice, so bad it's good, unique plot/characters/setting, whatever. If people enjoyed it, then they give it a good mark. If lots of people enjoyed it, then it gets an overall good mark.
This is actually getting really stupid. 216 789 people rated Code Geass and it got an score of 8.99. Are you seriously arguing that all of those people gave it a high rating because they were sheep who gave in to its reputation?

Saying multiple ratings as a source is an appeal to its popularity is just wrong. It's using common sense. Of course 2 people saying it's good is more valuable to me than one person saying it's good. Two people saying it's bad is more valuable to me than one person saying it's bad. If they were the only three people who had watched it, would it be an appeal to its popularity trusting the two people over the one? People are different, and if multiple people like the same thing, that seems to me like I might like it too.

Basically, no, your opinion on what's good and what's bad is not worth more than Mal. It is actually worth a lot less. The reason it's worth more here on TL is because most of the active posters know each other to some degree and value each other's opinions. If my friend who likes a lot of the same things as I do told me to watch something, I'd probably watch it.

Holy shit, where did I say my opinion was the end all be all? You have a hard-on for Strawmen, don't you? My opinion is what it is. A bunch of other people's opinions are what they are. WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH SOMETHING'S QUALITY???? Does me liking something make it better? Does a random guy liking something make it worse? Does a bunch of people hating something make that something worse? Does a bunch of people liking something make it better??? The answer to all of these questions are NO. In which case, when talking about how good something is (aka discussing its quality), what is the point of bringing it up??? There is no point. At all. Period.

Additionally, I didn't say anything about those people being sheep, please don't put words into my mouth. You seem to like doing that. But I would say that of the 200k people who rated Code Geass R2 well are all shittaste plebs. But them being shittaste plebs has nothing to do with how good the anime actually is. What is so freaking hard to understand about this?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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