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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 18:55:08
March 27 2013 18:50 GMT
#54861
I'll go check Key's site later I guess.

EDIT - Kotori was 4th, lost to Lucia by like 1.4k
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
March 27 2013 18:51 GMT
#54862
That moment when I realized I don't know who the fuck Kotori is.
Then I did some Kotori-Akane cross-searching.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8032 Posts
March 27 2013 19:06 GMT
#54863
Shizuru #1 female bro.
Liquipedia
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 20:49:37
March 27 2013 20:49 GMT
#54864
What in the fuck how does Kotori lose to Lucia?! Goddamn Japanese people.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 27 2013 21:53 GMT
#54865
Lucia #1
#freeshauni
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
March 27 2013 22:06 GMT
#54866
On March 28 2013 06:53 Elem wrote:
Lucia #1



...no.

+ Show Spoiler +
Esaka #1
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
March 27 2013 22:07 GMT
#54867
On March 28 2013 03:48 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 03:32 Ecael wrote:
On March 28 2013 02:42 Kaal wrote:
Akane sucks you're all stupid.

Kotori is best.

Terra op, Kotorin ftw. Now if only Shizuru got lines...Akane is cute though.

I forgot, did Kotori even got #3 lol.

Akane's boobs saved the world what more could you want? I still like Kotori best though. Pretty sure she wasn't top 3.


this discussion... I hope it's some kind of internal joke for you otakus sake.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Ushio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada868 Posts
March 27 2013 22:44 GMT
#54868
To be fair Lucia was farily annoying at some points. Yoshino #1 YO-SHI-NO
http://myanimelist.net/profile/billng
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
March 28 2013 00:00 GMT
#54869
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.
Writer
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
March 28 2013 00:02 GMT
#54870
On March 28 2013 09:00 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just means subconsciously, Saki is just as racist and discriminating as the rest of humanity in that world.
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1962 Posts
March 28 2013 01:08 GMT
#54871
On March 28 2013 09:00 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
But Squealer is just a ball of meat when she kills him. Maybe she can recognize him as Squealer, but due to his state can no longer recognize him as human or even a Queerat.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
March 28 2013 01:53 GMT
#54872
On March 28 2013 10:08 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 09:00 Souma wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
But Squealer is just a ball of meat when she kills him. Maybe she can recognize him as Squealer, but due to his state can no longer recognize him as human or even a Queerat.


+ Show Spoiler +
Well, the series never did quite clarify if someone would die if they simply believed they killed a human (even if that human was incredibly deformed). They were able to kill queerats because they were deformed enough to not be acknowledged as human... but what if someone still strongly believed that queerats were humans and killed one? Would they die? imo if Saki died after killing Squealer that question could have been answered too. Remember, Maria's kid died because he killed a queerat, which basically confirms that the death feedback is all mental (he thought he was a queerat and died because he killed a queerat).
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1962 Posts
March 28 2013 01:59 GMT
#54873
On March 28 2013 10:53 Souma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 10:08 Just_a_Moth wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:00 Souma wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
But Squealer is just a ball of meat when she kills him. Maybe she can recognize him as Squealer, but due to his state can no longer recognize him as human or even a Queerat.


+ Show Spoiler +
Well, the series never did quite clarify if someone would die if they simply believed they killed a human (even if that human was incredibly deformed). They were able to kill queerats because they were deformed enough to not be acknowledged as human... but what if someone still strongly believed that queerats were humans and killed one? Would they die? imo if Saki died after killing Squealer that question could have been answered too. Remember, Maria's kid died because he killed a queerat, which basically confirms that the death feedback is all mental (he thought he was a queerat and died because he killed a queerat).

+ Show Spoiler +
I guess that's kind of what I am saying. She was able to kill him because, even if she thought of him as human when he was a queerat, she was no longer able to recognize him as such. Though, she she still new that the blob was called Squealer and was in pain.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 02:06:53
March 28 2013 02:06 GMT
#54874
On March 28 2013 10:59 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 10:53 Souma wrote:
On March 28 2013 10:08 Just_a_Moth wrote:
On March 28 2013 09:00 Souma wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
But Squealer is just a ball of meat when she kills him. Maybe she can recognize him as Squealer, but due to his state can no longer recognize him as human or even a Queerat.


+ Show Spoiler +
Well, the series never did quite clarify if someone would die if they simply believed they killed a human (even if that human was incredibly deformed). They were able to kill queerats because they were deformed enough to not be acknowledged as human... but what if someone still strongly believed that queerats were humans and killed one? Would they die? imo if Saki died after killing Squealer that question could have been answered too. Remember, Maria's kid died because he killed a queerat, which basically confirms that the death feedback is all mental (he thought he was a queerat and died because he killed a queerat).

+ Show Spoiler +
I guess that's kind of what I am saying. She was able to kill him because, even if she thought of him as human when he was a queerat, she was no longer able to recognize him as such. Though, she she still new that the blob was called Squealer and was in pain.


+ Show Spoiler +
Ah, well, what I'm saying is that in regards to death feedback, I don't believe it's physical recognition but mental that is at play. I think Saki was able to kill Squealer because she didn't really acknowledge him as a human, even subconsciously. I wanted the ending to be the opposite of that. :p


On March 28 2013 09:02 Nagisama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 09:00 Souma wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:46 ZenithM wrote:
On March 27 2013 16:24 Souma wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Shinsekai Yori] +
Ending would have been better if Saki died due to death feedback after euthanizing Squealer.

I might have cried if that happened.

+ Show Spoiler +
Haha really? That would not have made much sense to me.
Unless you mean because she unconsciously acknowledges Squealer as a human being after learning about the bakenezumi or something? Even though, I don't see the point of sacrificing Saki (who's from the start treating them with respect) to save a pile of goo who killed many of her kind, including parents and friends. She can't atone alone for the whole human species' sin and she deserved a bit of happiness at the end. Would have felt more than gratuitous.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yes, she should have died for consciously acknowledging Squealer as a human. imo it would have been a beautiful testament to their ideals of non-violence. Saki should have passed away, willfully, due to the death feedback. Of course, I prefer for her to live as well, but as far as the story goes, I think it would have been a more powerful ending.

+ Show Spoiler +
Just means subconsciously, Saki is just as racist and discriminating as the rest of humanity in that world.


+ Show Spoiler +
ilu
Writer
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 28 2013 02:14 GMT
#54875
Chuni fans?



s2? movie? extra episodes?
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Nagisama
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada4481 Posts
March 28 2013 02:27 GMT
#54876
On March 28 2013 11:14 BurningSera wrote:
Chuni fans?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IikZNz41J_g

s2? movie? extra episodes?

Wooooooooo! o/

I doubt extra episodes, they already have that Depth of Field OVA (which sucks btw) and a Christmas special slated for July release.

So either movie or season 2!
Calendar"Everyone who has accomplished more than you has no life; Everyone who has accomplished less than you is a noob." | Elem: "nagi is actually really smart"
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 28 2013 02:43 GMT
#54877
On March 28 2013 11:27 Nagisama wrote:

So either movie or season 2!

The Disappearance of Takanashi Rikka.
#freeshauni
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 03:20:18
March 28 2013 03:17 GMT
#54878
Souma this is a response to your post. I messed up the quoting and so I'm just going to leave it like this.

What you said:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ah, well, what I'm saying is that in regards to death feedback, I don't believe it's physical recognition but mental that is at play. I think Saki was able to kill Squealer because she didn't really acknowledge him as a human, even subconsciously. I wanted the ending to be the opposite of that. :p

What I said in response:
+ Show Spoiler +
Okay I get it lol, I've been agreeing with you the whole time. I just think it's possible that she wasn't able to mentally acknowledge him as human or a queerat because he looked like a piece of jello when she killed him.
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
March 28 2013 04:26 GMT
#54879
On March 28 2013 11:43 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 11:27 Nagisama wrote:

So either movie or season 2!

The Disappearance of Takanashi Rikka.

Perpetual Pillows.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
March 28 2013 05:00 GMT
#54880
On March 28 2013 13:26 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 11:43 Elem wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:27 Nagisama wrote:

So either movie or season 2!

The Disappearance of Takanashi Rikka.

Perpetual Pillows.

+ Show Spoiler +
Endless Pillows.
#freeshauni
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