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On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:38 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:33 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:14 Kaal wrote:
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Glop Art Online. Okay I think that joke is dead at this point. It's not though. It has to be repeated so that everyone who watches and likes that show feels bad for it. Watching/reading GAO is, no if's ands or buts about it, exactly like reading/watching Twilight or Shades of Grey. It's pure fanfiction/insertion with bland characterization that appeals to angsty teenagers and other such undesirables. Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point.
Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr.
Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao)
Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy.
Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation?
Implying you know what you're talking about.
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This reminds me I need to finish Inganock. I took a break at chapter 5 cause the creature battles were getting a little repetitive and those fucking puzzles in the intermission... I generally like it so better start back ^^.
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On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:38 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:33 Taku wrote:
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Okay I think that joke is dead at this point. It's not though. It has to be repeated so that everyone who watches and likes that show feels bad for it. Watching/reading GAO is, no if's ands or buts about it, exactly like reading/watching Twilight or Shades of Grey. It's pure fanfiction/insertion with bland characterization that appeals to angsty teenagers and other such undesirables. Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about.
>Using implying on places other than 4chan
>mfw ಠ_ಠ
So basically it boils down to people not liking things you like, and likings things you don't like. And that you think that if you insult them by invalidating their opinions rather than giving constructive counterpoints that they'll like things you like.
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On September 10 2012 10:24 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:38 Kaal wrote:
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It's not though. It has to be repeated so that everyone who watches and likes that show feels bad for it.
Watching/reading GAO is, no if's ands or buts about it, exactly like reading/watching Twilight or Shades of Grey. It's pure fanfiction/insertion with bland characterization that appeals to angsty teenagers and other such undesirables. Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. >Using implying on places other than 4chan >mfw ಠ_ಠ So basically it boils down to people not liking things you like, and likings things you don't like. And that you think that if you insult them by invalidating their opinions rather than giving constructive counterpoints that they'll like things you like. mfw (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
I don't give a shit if they like the things I like as long as they don't watch the things I don't like, so that there's more of the things I like.
Also I didn't stoop to using greentext like you.
Edit: ಠ_ಠ (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ lel reddit lel
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Kyoani has the moe formula down. They can do no wrong.
I personally want to see Biscuit Hammer animated.
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Kaal doesnt post much in ADT.
But when he does, its always entertaining.
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On September 10 2012 10:26 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:24 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:
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Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. >Using implying on places other than 4chan >mfw ಠ_ಠ So basically it boils down to people not liking things you like, and likings things you don't like. And that you think that if you insult them by invalidating their opinions rather than giving constructive counterpoints that they'll like things you like. mfw (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ I don't give a shit if they like the things I like as long as they don't watch the things I don't like, so that there's more of the things I like. Also I didn't stoop to using greentext like you.
Well since you're so passionate in making fun of SAO I thought you'd have a reason that I shouldn't watch it that I didn't notice rather than 'the things that I like are better'.
For the audience I hope you've been entertained tonight *bows*
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On September 10 2012 10:22 Tabbris wrote:
This reminds me I need to finish Inganock. I took a break at chapter 5 cause the creature battles were getting a little repetitive and those fucking puzzles in the intermission... I generally like it so better start back ^^.
Fandisc gave us like 2 more creatures, was fun, now the long wait until the next steampunk series game shows.
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On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:38 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:33 Taku wrote:
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Okay I think that joke is dead at this point. It's not though. It has to be repeated so that everyone who watches and likes that show feels bad for it. Watching/reading GAO is, no if's ands or buts about it, exactly like reading/watching Twilight or Shades of Grey. It's pure fanfiction/insertion with bland characterization that appeals to angsty teenagers and other such undesirables. Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about.
You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't.
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On September 10 2012 10:28 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:22 Tabbris wrote:
This reminds me I need to finish Inganock. I took a break at chapter 5 cause the creature battles were getting a little repetitive and those fucking puzzles in the intermission... I generally like it so better start back ^^. Fandisc gave us like 2 more creatures, was fun, now the long wait until the next steampunk series game shows.
Fandisk? What fandisk? Is this something I should know about?!
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On September 10 2012 10:27 Nagisama wrote:
Kyoani has the moe formula down. They can do no wrong.
I personally want to see Biscuit Hammer animated.
Well no shit, who wouldn't?
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On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:38 Kaal wrote:
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It's not though. It has to be repeated so that everyone who watches and likes that show feels bad for it.
Watching/reading GAO is, no if's ands or buts about it, exactly like reading/watching Twilight or Shades of Grey. It's pure fanfiction/insertion with bland characterization that appeals to angsty teenagers and other such undesirables. Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't.
I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better?
What.
Also
"And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou.
And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool.
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On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:
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Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't. I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool.
Uh, doujinshi = self-published stuff. Like, SAO was a doujin web novel until it got picked up. How is that not obscure?
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On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:42 Taku wrote:
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Okay I'm waiting for some water to boil right now so I'll take the bait. From my point of view anime is either escapist or simple entertainment, with the rare genuine examples of art. SAO is, plain and simple, escapist/fantasy fiction written so the reader can put themselves in the POV of the protag and imagine/live out that world. I don't think it was intended more than anything else, and if it really makes you feel that bad that others are enjoying themselves doing so then I can't help you. The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't. I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool.
I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands.
How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry.
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On September 10 2012 10:37 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:
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The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't. I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. Uh, doujinshi = self-published stuff. Like, SAO was a doujin web novel until it got picked up. How is that not obscure?
Because some doujin things are insanely popular, even though self puplished. Things like Touhou or Narcissu. And even then, obscure to the general public yes, definitely. But not to the people who watch late night anime.
I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell
That's why I'm saying don't watch GAO. The more you watch the crap, the more the crap sells, the more crap we get.
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By the way "it is popular" or "it sells" or "a lot of these people like it" are not aspects of a product that make it appealing. They are results. An anime has x attributes, and as a result people receive it in y way. If you want to have an "anime discussion" or in other words, discuss the anime, that entails focusing on the anime's content. We don't care that x thousands of Japanese like SAO enough to buy it, we want to know what about SAO itself has merit. Of course the topic of target audience preferences might come up in terms of: "I assume or I have read that this Japanese audience likes this show for these reasons." But I haven't seen any such concrete reasons beyond words that convey no actual meaning such as "good, fun, entertaining" etc.
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On September 10 2012 10:43 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:37 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:[quote] Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't. I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. Uh, doujinshi = self-published stuff. Like, SAO was a doujin web novel until it got picked up. How is that not obscure? Because some doujin things are insanely popular, even though self puplished. Things like Touhou or Narcissu. And even then, obscure to the general public yes, definitely. But not to the people who watch late night anime. Show nested quote +
I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell
That's why I'm saying don't watch GAO. The more you watch the crap, the more the crap sells, the more crap we get.
Unless they are watching it through crunchyroll I doubt they are influencing anything lol. Go take your frustrations on japan ^^
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On September 10 2012 10:41 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:
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The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't. I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands. How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry.
Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular.
Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime.
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Although somewhat unreleated note, SAO doujinshi is releasing by the masses.
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On September 10 2012 10:37 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:21 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:15 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:09 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:07 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:02 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 09:53 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 09:52 Kaal wrote:
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The more people that watch and buy crap like GAO we get less actual quality anime from series that actually have good characters or story. So if you like GAO you are literally killing anime. Less actual quality like what? If you start listing fanservice anime I'm going to lose it. Light Novels like Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria or Daiyuuden, or Visual Novels like Baldr Sky, Muramusa, Sharin no Kuni, Inganock or Narcissu. Uh..."quality anime." You just gave a list of obscure titles that I assume you like. And the only difference between all of those and SAO is that SAO is popular. I don't follow. Those aren't obscure titles, except maybe Utsohako. SAO is not an anime original series it's a light novel series. Like 80% of anime released is a light novel or visual novel adaptation. Well I assume you're speaking in terms of quality of the anime adaption but also quality of the source materials. VNs are 99% obscure and only known by otakus, don't kid yourself no one else in Japan follows them outside of the few that make it mainstream like Clannad or steins;gate. And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure. SAO sells 100k+ per volume, the ones you've listed don't really rank. And they're still all fantasy stories with the exception of being even more tropish/bland than Sword Art Online. Popularity is what gets you adaptions, I still can't see your point. Implying that I don't know that basically every anime airing airs between 12 AM and 2 AM and that only otakus watch it. Gee willikers because they definitely don't make anime that market to that particular demographic. Gee let's not make things like VNs into anime so that our target audience will watch it. hurr durr. Implying Muramusa isn't uplifted by virtually everyone who's played it as the greatest VN ever made (lol more bland that sao) Implying they're all fantasy, which is just plain wrong unless you count sci-fi as fantasy. Implying things that sell well mean they're actually good. Gee I better go read Shades of Grey I'm sure it's a masterpiece. When's the anime adaptation? Implying you know what you're talking about. You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't. I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. Uh, doujinshi = self-published stuff. Like, SAO was a doujin web novel until it got picked up. How is that not obscure?
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i heard something about 100k selling for dutchwife frenzy? something about how doujin stuff is obscure and how SAO isn't because it was picked up? something about doujin being obscure because nobody has heard of tohos?
personally i want snsiv, but capitalism ho
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