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On September 10 2012 11:36 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:30 Taku wrote:
Re: the doijin thing
Well yes, some people do go from self publishing to being big but really that's along the lines of an unscouted, undrafted pro-athlete, how many really make it big?
Re: SAO
I'm still working my way through the novels but so far they've avoided tropes pretty well which I like. So far they've avoided the indecisive and infuriating weak lead and the oh-so-random cases of perverted encounters for the most part. That itself already puts it in the 1% for me.
Re: 16.5
I don't get why people keep bringing that up, it should be considered as the creator making doujinshi of his own stuff, several authors do that... Edit: A great many of LN authors were webnovel authors first. Narcissu's rights were bought out by a company, and Touhou makes a shitton of money even if Zun sees not a cent. It's not though. It was in the original webnovel. I don't see how it avoids tropes at all, the series is PURE FANSERVICE. 100%. It has no meat to anything. Romances do not go from meeting each other to marriage in two days, and you certainly do not glop gallons of semen.
Uh, I was under the impression that 16.5 was posted after and separate from the other stuff in a side page on the author's website. Also, they spend ~2 years around each other before marriage. Also, what tropes do they use then?
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Canada4481 Posts
To be fair, not every character in his harem has been introduced in the anime yet so it only seems like 2-3 atm. But those that have, have all fallen in love with him.
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On September 10 2012 11:45 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:36 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:30 Taku wrote:
Re: the doijin thing
Well yes, some people do go from self publishing to being big but really that's along the lines of an unscouted, undrafted pro-athlete, how many really make it big?
Re: SAO
I'm still working my way through the novels but so far they've avoided tropes pretty well which I like. So far they've avoided the indecisive and infuriating weak lead and the oh-so-random cases of perverted encounters for the most part. That itself already puts it in the 1% for me.
Re: 16.5
I don't get why people keep bringing that up, it should be considered as the creator making doujinshi of his own stuff, several authors do that... Edit: A great many of LN authors were webnovel authors first. Narcissu's rights were bought out by a company, and Touhou makes a shitton of money even if Zun sees not a cent. It's not though. It was in the original webnovel. I don't see how it avoids tropes at all, the series is PURE FANSERVICE. 100%. It has no meat to anything. Romances do not go from meeting each other to marriage in two days, and you certainly do not glop gallons of semen. Uh, I was under the impression that 16.5 was posted after and separate from the other stuff in a side page on the author's website. Also, they spend ~2 years around each other before marriage. Also, what tropes do they use then?
No it was in the original webnovel, but was removed from LN and is generally accepted as cannon. A better question is what generic anime tropes do they NOT use? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/LightNovel/SwordArtOnline
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On September 10 2012 11:45 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:36 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:30 Taku wrote:
Re: the doijin thing
Well yes, some people do go from self publishing to being big but really that's along the lines of an unscouted, undrafted pro-athlete, how many really make it big?
Re: SAO
I'm still working my way through the novels but so far they've avoided tropes pretty well which I like. So far they've avoided the indecisive and infuriating weak lead and the oh-so-random cases of perverted encounters for the most part. That itself already puts it in the 1% for me.
Re: 16.5
I don't get why people keep bringing that up, it should be considered as the creator making doujinshi of his own stuff, several authors do that... Edit: A great many of LN authors were webnovel authors first. Narcissu's rights were bought out by a company, and Touhou makes a shitton of money even if Zun sees not a cent. It's not though. It was in the original webnovel. I don't see how it avoids tropes at all, the series is PURE FANSERVICE. 100%. It has no meat to anything. Romances do not go from meeting each other to marriage in two days, and you certainly do not glop gallons of semen. Uh, I was under the impression that 16.5 was posted after and separate from the other stuff in a side page on the author's website. Also, they spend ~2 years around each other before marriage. Also, what tropes do they use then?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sao tropes&l=1
you're kidding me, right?
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So wait, would Half-Prince be considered in the harem genre? It can have large groups of girls going after the MC at points. I thought an anime in the harem genre had to have a bunch of women around the MC as well as have the story be about the adventures/ scenarios around the MC and women. Though this may be exactly what happens in SAO, I haven't looked at it yet.
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On September 10 2012 11:39 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:28 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:41 Sickkiee wrote:
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I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands.
How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry. Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular. Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. It's ok, you're bound to be wrong some time or another. Glad you admitted it. ^_^ But on a serious note, would you call any LN/Anime harem if it had one random shot of two girls with 'big tits' hanging off the MC's arm? Or is it just THIS LN/Anime. I'm not quite sure how you define harem. If you define harem with one scene with two females hanging off his arm, then going by your sense of definition - that classifies 80% of anime as harem. When girls fall in love with MC left and right, I would call it harem. Pretty much every female Kirito encounters gains some level of romantic feelings for him, even + Show Spoiler [SAO LN] + How is that not harem? Of course, to be fair, it's not like SAO's only genre is harem, but don't know how you can say it isn't.
Ya I know they all fall in love with him and stuff. But I classify harem if its blatant like Campione!/Kono Naka ni Hitori! To me personally, I don't classify it harem until it follows the typical harem route. You might have a less strict interpretation of harem. But you can't possibly say that it's a full on harem as compared to REAL harem like the one(s) I just stated. If there was such a thing as soft harem, I'd definitely state it as that - but there really isn't so meh.
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Well no my point wasn't that there are no tropes in SAO, it was that there were fewer than normal to the point that it made a difference to me. I mean are you kidding me? Compared to most other works nowadays the trope count is quite low and the premise quite original.
Also:
+ Show Spoiler +Q．キリトとアスナってHしたの？ワードギア・リバースって何？
A．キリトとアスナのベッドシーンを描いた「Sword Art Online ＃16.5」という作品が、作者サイトの裏ページである
「WORD GEAR REVERSE」に掲載されていましたが、書籍化に伴いサイトごと休止になりました。
書籍版SAO1のP244L9とL10の間、Web版SAOの16話と17話の間にあたる話になります。
Web配布版にも入っていないので、現状持っている人は休止前にページごと保存した人だけと思われます。
I can't find the direct/original source other than it being all over the internet but apparently 16.5 was *not* ever in the main work. Assuming I'm reading this right of course.
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On September 10 2012 11:53 Dark_Chill wrote:
So wait, would Half-Prince be considered in the harem genre? It can have large groups of girls going after the MC at points. I thought an anime in the harem genre had to have a bunch of women around the MC as well as have the story be about the adventures/ scenarios around the MC and women. Though this may be exactly what happens in SAO, I haven't looked at it yet.
That's basically what happens in SAO. He has like 15 women that follow him around and pine after him for most of the series. 1/2 Prince has iirc just 3 main women (and one dude) who're after him, and it's mainly used for comedic effect and the occasional serious romance scene; the only real fan service in 1/2P is the gender bender aspect, which is another thing different from SAO where there's bras and panties or nudity or some random encounter.
Edit:
Here's what it was, author has links to all the chapters 1-whatever I can't remember on his page, under that he has the side stories and other things that are cannon but don't follow the main storyline, these are numbered X chapter.5. This is where 16.5 was, as well as some other 18+ side story stuff.
And since he wrote the thing when he was in high school I'm sure it was part of the main story at one point and he took it out so people would take him seriously (lol)
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Jesus this thread just exploded :X
Also LOL yeah, no series is safe from tropes overload, everything is a remix, etc etc.
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From what I read the Japanese passage basically says 16.5 was available on the author's "back" website, called "Word Gear Reverse", but when he began publishing books, he took it down from the website. Next line places it in the plot I presume, and last line says since it's not longer on the website, anyone who still has it has a copy from before he took it down.
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On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:41 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:29 Sickkiee wrote:
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You know they make adaptions that are going to be popular. Sure YOU may like anime x, but if the crowd y don't like it, studio z will not make it due to not enough profit involved. So for the 20th time saying this, it's not about whats good to YOU . It's about whats good to the crowd in JAPAN and what they think. Everyone's got their own opinion on anime and insulting them isn't very mature. Some people like SAO, some don't. Don't force your shit onto other people because you think you know better. Clearly you don't.
I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better? What. Also "And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou. And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands. How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry. Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular. Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad.
See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex.
Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/
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On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:41 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:
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I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better?
What.
Also
"And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou.
And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands. How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry. Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular. Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex. Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/
I don't think you know what you're watching if you think that the fan service isn't the main draw of GAO. It's basically .hack fanfiction, this is why it's compared to shades of grey.
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I think It's become quite evident that there is no quality in SAO and you are just a fanboy trying to pass your personal preferences of dutchwife as quality. The fact that you try to derail arguments and essentially argue semantics combined with no true Scotsman arguements proves that you are just mindlessly defending your waifu against obvious arguments and refusing to give ground. By comparison, true art like seikai no senki are put off by this crap. Name one thing that makes SAO even close. Otherwise, in the words of Axe , you get nothing.
Good day sir.
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On September 10 2012 12:29 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:41 Sickkiee wrote:
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I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands.
How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry. Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular. Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex. Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/ I don't think you know what you're watching if you think that the fan service isn't the main draw of GAO. It's basically .hack fanfiction, this is why it's compared to shades of grey.
Thank you for once again already telling me my opinion is wrong. But um, I'd say their premise of being trapped in an MMO and all the plot afterwards is entertaining and original to me? Sure as hell better than your generic supernatural fantasy/magical kingdom show. Also I never watched .hack but if it was that much of a copy I'm sure someone would have made a big deal about it before now.
Re: Caller
I think you just broke my brain. Well played.
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On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:On September 10 2012 10:41 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 10:32 Kaal wrote:
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I'm asking for stuff like Muramusa instead of crap like GAO and you think I don't know better?
What.
Also
"And if it's doujin,it is also by definition obscure." Tell that to touhou.
And yeah Biscuit Hammer would be cool. I'm saying the REASON why SAO was picked up before Muramusa is purely because it would sell; and they were right. I'm not going to have a go at you for having your opinion, I've never read Muramusa nor heard of it, so if you say it's good I may read it or something - but the point stands. How is it obscure if it's doujin? Wtf lol. Doujin is HUGE in the anime fanbase in Japan. I don't get what you mean sorry. Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular. Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex. Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/
That's fine if it doesn't bother you. Point is, it's still a harem. Person before said it had no harem elements, and was proven that SAO has, and will have, harem elements.
Also, nothing is free of tropes. If there's no trope for something, then the trope will be made.
As for 16.5 being cannon or not, it's pretty obvious they did it. 16.5 just described it in explicit and hilarious detail. Even if 16.5 didn't exist, there's more than enough implication they did it.
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On September 10 2012 12:32 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 12:29 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:
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Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular.
Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex. Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/ I don't think you know what you're watching if you think that the fan service isn't the main draw of GAO. It's basically .hack fanfiction, this is why it's compared to shades of grey. Thank you for once again already telling me my opinion is wrong. But um, I'd say their premise of being trapped in an MMO and all the plot afterwards is entertaining and original to me? Sure as hell better than your generic supernatural fantasy/magical kingdom show. Also I never watched .hack but if it was that much of a copy I'm sure someone would have made a big deal about it before now. Re: Caller I think you just broke my brain. Well played.
Tsukasa, a player character of a virtual-reality massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) called The World. Tsukasa wakes up to find himself in a dungeon in The World, but he suffers from short-term memory loss as he wonders where he is and how he got there. The situation gets worse when he discovers he is unable to log out and is trapped in the game. From then on, along with other players Tsukasa embarks on a quest to figure out the truth behind his abnormal situation.
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On September 10 2012 11:57 Sickkiee wrote:
Ya I know they all fall in love with him and stuff. But I classify harem if its blatant like Campione!/Kono Naka ni Hitori! To me personally, I don't classify it harem until it follows the typical harem route. You might have a less strict interpretation of harem. But you can't possibly say that it's a full on harem as compared to REAL harem like the one(s) I just stated. If there was such a thing as soft harem, I'd definitely state it as that - but there really isn't so meh.
key terms I see: blatant, typical, and REAL.
1) I disagree that being blatant is a requirement. In fact, needing blatancy imo shows incompetence by the creators if they can't convince you something falls under a genre without throwing it in your face.
2) Typical would mean anything atypical does not fall under the genre which would make some shows genre-less.
3) By REAL I think you mean LOOK BOOBS AND GIRLS, so see point 1.
Not that I'm misunderstanding your point. I just can't agree that a story with a harem shouldn't be called a harem.
On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:
See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex.
Well I was just providing evidence to support my claim that he has a harem. My criticism stems from the fact that vol1 had a very good premise that gets completely wasted.
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On September 10 2012 12:37 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 12:32 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 12:29 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:
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And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/
Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex. Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/ I don't think you know what you're watching if you think that the fan service isn't the main draw of GAO. It's basically .hack fanfiction, this is why it's compared to shades of grey. Thank you for once again already telling me my opinion is wrong. But um, I'd say their premise of being trapped in an MMO and all the plot afterwards is entertaining and original to me? Sure as hell better than your generic supernatural fantasy/magical kingdom show. Also I never watched .hack but if it was that much of a copy I'm sure someone would have made a big deal about it before now. Re: Caller I think you just broke my brain. Well played. Show nested quote +
Tsukasa, a player character of a virtual-reality massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG) called The World. Tsukasa wakes up to find himself in a dungeon in The World, but he suffers from short-term memory loss as he wonders where he is and how he got there. The situation gets worse when he discovers he is unable to log out and is trapped in the game. From then on, along with other players Tsukasa embarks on a quest to figure out the truth behind his abnormal situation.
So the protagonist isn't aware that they're trapped in an MMO? Seems like quite a difference to me...
And the whole 16.5 thing is just that I find the 'glop' joke as funny as beating a dead horse by now lol.
Re: Harem. Fair enough, the premise of the story isn't a harem though so I wouldn't call it a harem anime. Also apparently I'm not supposed to read beyond vol.4 so you're probably right on it going downhill lol.
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On September 10 2012 12:32 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 12:29 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 12:18 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 11:23 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:19 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:15 KazeHydra wrote:On September 10 2012 11:12 Sickkiee wrote:On September 10 2012 11:07 Kaal wrote:On September 10 2012 11:02 Taku wrote:On September 10 2012 10:52 Sentenal wrote:
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Even though thats the reason SAO was picked up before Muramasa, at the end of the day Gundam SEED Destiny is more popular.
Even the 'fujoshi's' over at Akiba who've watched the anime still believe it's a good anime. And Gundam SEED got not only an anime, but a remake. MASTERPIECE \o/ Also the doujin thing is that doujin-originated stuff has like a 0.00000000001% chance of getting an anime I'd say, with SAO being part of that small percentage. I don't get how liking it makes it any less likely for any other stuff to get picked up. Yes money is zero sum but really? And I don't really think it'd be worth deconstructing(lol) why I think SAO is different and more deserving all things considered >_> I'm not saying I want doujinworks to get an anime, I'm just saying I want stuff that's not shit. You liking it means maybe you spend money on it, you spending money on it means you're giving money to a shit publication, you giving money to a shit publication means more shit publications. I don't know many people who actually buy stuff online for animes. There might be a few - but it's not a major factor in most anime studios decision when picking up adaptions; since most people will buy it from companies that license the anime afterwards. I do agree I want less shit anime (mainly harem/moe/ecchi) since I hate that shit, but that's one of the reasons I like SAO atm, since it's not one of those three genres. Please explain to me how SAO is not harem. Because it's not blatant harem where it has 5-6 females with huge tits all hanging off his arm's wanting to fuck him the second they can. I'm sorry did you say something? http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/images/7/7d/Sword_Art_Online_Vol_03_-_301.jpgokay sorry that's only 2 females with huge tits hanging off his arms. You're right, my bad. See here's what I don't get. It's not the perverted/ecchi aspects of a show themselves that bother me, it's only when they're the main draw of a show that they become instant do-not-watch. Criticizing a show for something like that image reminds me of the people who flame game of thrones for all the sex. Also it's never confirmed that 16.5 is canon, the last line of that author's answer for me implies that it wasn't =/ I don't think you know what you're watching if you think that the fan service isn't the main draw of GAO. It's basically .hack fanfiction, this is why it's compared to shades of grey. Thank you for once again already telling me my opinion is wrong. But um, I'd say their premise of being trapped in an MMO and all the plot afterwards is entertaining and original to me? Sure as hell better than your generic supernatural fantasy/magical kingdom show. Also I never watched .hack but if it was that much of a copy I'm sure someone would have made a big deal about it before now. Re: Caller I think you just broke my brain. Well played.
Supernatural fantasy/magical kingdom shit is almost always shit. Even denyuuden is shit, but it's better shit than GAO.. It's not your opinion, it's not my opinion, it's a consensus of people who have read the light novels and watched the show. Sentenal does both, he tells you this, Echone does both, he tells you this, Ecael does both, he tells you this, GaoXi, Kaze, Caller, Myself all tell you this but you apparently can't see anyone's argument but mine because I'm the only one calling out for your shit taste. And people DO make a big deal about it. It's talked about on 2ch, it's talked about on 4ch, it's talked about on MAL (lmao), it's been talked about here several times and on IRC almost every time the show is brought up. It is a fanservice show. Set in an MMO world with a generic protagonist so that people can selfinsert and feel better about their pathetic lives, pretend that they have a harem of dutch wives and generic tsunderes. That's fanservice.
Edit: And it's shit. Sorry, forgot about that.
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