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On May 01 2012 15:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Lol I thought I remembered SEED being on Toonami but people not liking it much or it being one of the worst Gundams, then I found it weird that people are saying SEED is good and stuff here. Then I found out there's SEED Destiny xD Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 13:55 Nagisama wrote:On May 01 2012 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 11:06 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 10:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 07:22 Kaal wrote:Code Geass sold ~90% of what Gundam SEED has That was what SEED sold in it's first WEEK of release in japan. SEED is easily the most popular anime that's come out in the last 15 years. It singlehandedly revived the entire anime industry. Well actually wiki says: In April 2004, Bandai Visual announced that one million copies of the Gundam SEED DVD had been sold in Japan, with the first volume having sold over 100,000 copies. The series ended in september 2003, so that's ~7 months after. If you look at Code Geass, By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs have been sold in Japan. That's 1 year after season 1 but 1 month before R2 finished airing. Both series are about ~50 episodes so in terms of sales, it seems like Code Geass has the stronger numbers there? Anyways, me and Sentenal have cleared things up, there were some silly misconceptions which had a snowball effect but now everything's good xD I think everyone should just ignore the majority of our posts since it would take quite a long time to see what went wrong especially if you want to try to dissect our actual opinions from them. Based wikipedia. Here's an actual sales chart. Number in parentheses is excluding BD-release, no idea why its there.
01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari
02) *71,057 ¥3,069m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
03) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED
05) *50,551 (45,366) ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch
06) *50,103 ¥1,999m 13 ep 2011 ufotable_______ Aniplex______ Fate/Zero ★(box/cour 1)
07) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macross Frontier
08) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!
09) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Wow, where do you get those from? (like page or link) Also, is the first number the number of sales sold in the first week, or...? I heard madoka sold a lot, but wow that is a lot. On May 01 2012 12:52 Dullahan wrote:On May 01 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 21:43 Dullahan wrote:On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 14:39 Elem wrote:On April 30 2012 14:32 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
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Wait whoa whoa that is seriously what happens in the kotomi route? i didn't know a romance/drama could be so... cruel? or is that just one of her endings?
Also, I also didn't like Nagisa that much, though I didn't play the VN. In the anime I liked tomoyo the most, so I was quite disappointed to see no "arc" for her. How much of the game, would you say, is Nagisa compared to each of the other heroines?
I, having only watched the anime, will say that I liked Kotomi too ^^. Sunohara was the best though ! kekek I didn't mean literally...it was figuratively speaking. >_> Though what they did was about as bad. In the VN Nagisa is still the main heroine and she usually plays a part in other routes (for no reason at all, seriously fuck her can't she gtfo she just pisses me off lol) but the other ones actually don't get hella friendzoned in their routes (obviously) and they cut out a lot of things,even a whole route though it wasn't really relevant to the main plot anyway. It's obvious why they did it but still sucks. Oh, rofl kk xD Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime? Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler +The sunohara ending? xD. Or I'm guessing there is an imouto route? No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them) There's a side character (doesn't show up at all in the anime) that gets his own route where he pairs up with Ryou Wait, you play as a male side character ? o.o interesting Well, I guess that's the obvious reason why it wasn't in the show now xD You're still Tomoya, but instead of you getting together with one of the girls, you help Kappei pair off with Ryou. I suppose you could say it makes up for Ryou not getting a proper route with Tomoya (her "route" is essentially a bad end in the middle of Kyou's route). Ah, thanks. That's interesting. Well, now I understand why the Kyou/Ryou special episode went the way it did ^^ Googling around, found some more sales charts that include CG and SEED/SEED Destiny. Don't know how accurate or good the source is though. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 14:57 Mysticesper wrote:On May 01 2012 13:55 Nagisama wrote:On May 01 2012 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 11:06 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 10:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 07:22 Kaal wrote:Code Geass sold ~90% of what Gundam SEED has That was what SEED sold in it's first WEEK of release in japan. SEED is easily the most popular anime that's come out in the last 15 years. It singlehandedly revived the entire anime industry. Well actually wiki says: In April 2004, Bandai Visual announced that one million copies of the Gundam SEED DVD had been sold in Japan, with the first volume having sold over 100,000 copies. The series ended in september 2003, so that's ~7 months after. If you look at Code Geass, By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs have been sold in Japan. That's 1 year after season 1 but 1 month before R2 finished airing. Both series are about ~50 episodes so in terms of sales, it seems like Code Geass has the stronger numbers there? Anyways, me and Sentenal have cleared things up, there were some silly misconceptions which had a snowball effect but now everything's good xD I think everyone should just ignore the majority of our posts since it would take quite a long time to see what went wrong especially if you want to try to dissect our actual opinions from them. Based wikipedia. Here's an actual sales chart. Number in parentheses is excluding BD-release, no idea why its there.
01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari
02) *71,057 ¥3,069m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
03) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED
05) *50,551 (45,366) ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch
06) *50,103 ¥1,999m 13 ep 2011 ufotable_______ Aniplex______ Fate/Zero ★(box/cour 1)
07) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macross Frontier
08) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!
09) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Wow, where do you get those from? (like page or link) Also, is the first number the number of sales sold in the first week, or...? I heard madoka sold a lot, but wow that is a lot. On May 01 2012 12:52 Dullahan wrote:On May 01 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 21:43 Dullahan wrote:On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 14:39 Elem wrote:
[quote]I didn't mean literally...it was figuratively speaking. >_> Though what they did was about as bad.
In the VN Nagisa is still the main heroine and she usually plays a part in other routes (for no reason at all, seriously fuck her can't she gtfo she just pisses me off lol) but the other ones actually don't get hella friendzoned in their routes (obviously) and they cut out a lot of things,even a whole route though it wasn't really relevant to the main plot anyway. It's obvious why they did it but still sucks.
Oh, rofl kk xD Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime? Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler +The sunohara ending? xD. Or I'm guessing there is an imouto route? No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them) There's a side character (doesn't show up at all in the anime) that gets his own route where he pairs up with Ryou Wait, you play as a male side character ? o.o interesting Well, I guess that's the obvious reason why it wasn't in the show now xD You're still Tomoya, but instead of you getting together with one of the girls, you help Kappei pair off with Ryou. I suppose you could say it makes up for Ryou not getting a proper route with Tomoya (her "route" is essentially a bad end in the middle of Kyou's route). Ah, thanks. That's interesting. Well, now I understand why the Kyou/Ryou special episode went the way it did ^^ Googling around, found some more sales charts that include CG and SEED/SEED Destiny. Don't know how accurate or good the source is though. http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1972211#post1972211Theres so much stuff in that thread, it does become hard to read. As far as I know, these charts are BD sales to date based upon yearly/monthly/weekly rankings or something. That's where the numbers came from though. There are sources for like, everything in there too. But yeah, madoka vols 1-5 sold 50k+ in the first week, so thats why it's extremely high. It broke Bakemono's record of having most BDs sold in a single volume in the first week, also why it's extremely high too. Also worth noting it's in average sales per unit (either boxset or volume), so it isnt a sum of all volumes, so I guess you can multiply it by volumes to get an approximate total sales. This way longer shows arent skewed as having an advantage. Wow, nice links xD
SEED definitely has a love-it-or-hate-it quality to it, and apparently it didn't do well when it was first aired in the US. Was much more popular in Japan. But Gundam Wing did well in the US, and Gundam Wing sucks, so take that for what you will.
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On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_;
I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come.
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On May 01 2012 22:13 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_; I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come.
Yeah, you're probably emotionally dead at 17. We all know how it is man.
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Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.>
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On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.>
This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)?
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On May 02 2012 00:58 Kaal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:13 mcimba42 wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_; I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come. Yeah, you're probably emotionally dead at 17. We all know how it is man. I wouldn't say emotionally dead, but I don't get the same emotional impact from watching cute 2d girls being sad that I used to. It's pretty shit though.
On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)?
Why are there stories with sad endings? People want the emotional impact from that kind of stuff, even if it's not necessarily happy.
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On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)?
2008 isn't that old.
On May 02 2012 01:12 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:58 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 22:13 mcimba42 wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_; I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come. Yeah, you're probably emotionally dead at 17. We all know how it is man. I wouldn't say emotionally dead, but I don't get the same emotional impact from watching cute 2d girls being sad that I used to. It's pretty shit though. Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? Why are there stories with sad endings? People want the emotional impact from that kind of stuff, even if it's not necessarily happy.
As much as there were girls being sad in KEY works, that's not the reason why they stand out.
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On May 02 2012 01:19 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? 2008 isn't that old. Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:12 mcimba42 wrote:On May 02 2012 00:58 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 22:13 mcimba42 wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_; I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come. Yeah, you're probably emotionally dead at 17. We all know how it is man. I wouldn't say emotionally dead, but I don't get the same emotional impact from watching cute 2d girls being sad that I used to. It's pretty shit though. On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? Why are there stories with sad endings? People want the emotional impact from that kind of stuff, even if it's not necessarily happy. As much as there were girls being sad in KEY works, that's not the reason why they stand out. I meant that as "drama" in general, not literally cute girls frowning.
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On May 02 2012 01:19 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? 2008 isn't that old. Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:12 mcimba42 wrote:On May 02 2012 00:58 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 22:13 mcimba42 wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_; I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come. Yeah, you're probably emotionally dead at 17. We all know how it is man. I wouldn't say emotionally dead, but I don't get the same emotional impact from watching cute 2d girls being sad that I used to. It's pretty shit though. On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? Why are there stories with sad endings? People want the emotional impact from that kind of stuff, even if it's not necessarily happy. As much as there were girls being sad in KEY works, that's not the reason why they stand out.
It's early 2007, so therefore, it's old because it's a little over 5 years.
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On May 02 2012 01:12 mcimba42 wrote:
I wouldn't say emotionally dead, but I don't get the same emotional impact from watching cute 2d girls being sad that I used to. It's pretty shit though.
Try having someone buy you a puppy wait till you fall in love with it, then cut its head off. Key clearly isnt getting it done for you.
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On May 01 2012 21:58 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 15:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Lol I thought I remembered SEED being on Toonami but people not liking it much or it being one of the worst Gundams, then I found it weird that people are saying SEED is good and stuff here. Then I found out there's SEED Destiny xD On May 01 2012 13:55 Nagisama wrote:On May 01 2012 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 11:06 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 10:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 07:22 Kaal wrote:Code Geass sold ~90% of what Gundam SEED has That was what SEED sold in it's first WEEK of release in japan. SEED is easily the most popular anime that's come out in the last 15 years. It singlehandedly revived the entire anime industry. Well actually wiki says: In April 2004, Bandai Visual announced that one million copies of the Gundam SEED DVD had been sold in Japan, with the first volume having sold over 100,000 copies. The series ended in september 2003, so that's ~7 months after. If you look at Code Geass, By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs have been sold in Japan. That's 1 year after season 1 but 1 month before R2 finished airing. Both series are about ~50 episodes so in terms of sales, it seems like Code Geass has the stronger numbers there? Anyways, me and Sentenal have cleared things up, there were some silly misconceptions which had a snowball effect but now everything's good xD I think everyone should just ignore the majority of our posts since it would take quite a long time to see what went wrong especially if you want to try to dissect our actual opinions from them. Based wikipedia. Here's an actual sales chart. Number in parentheses is excluding BD-release, no idea why its there.
01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari
02) *71,057 ¥3,069m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
03) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED
05) *50,551 (45,366) ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch
06) *50,103 ¥1,999m 13 ep 2011 ufotable_______ Aniplex______ Fate/Zero ★(box/cour 1)
07) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macross Frontier
08) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!
09) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Wow, where do you get those from? (like page or link) Also, is the first number the number of sales sold in the first week, or...? I heard madoka sold a lot, but wow that is a lot. On May 01 2012 12:52 Dullahan wrote:On May 01 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 21:43 Dullahan wrote:On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 14:39 Elem wrote:
[quote]I didn't mean literally...it was figuratively speaking. >_> Though what they did was about as bad.
In the VN Nagisa is still the main heroine and she usually plays a part in other routes (for no reason at all, seriously fuck her can't she gtfo she just pisses me off lol) but the other ones actually don't get hella friendzoned in their routes (obviously) and they cut out a lot of things,even a whole route though it wasn't really relevant to the main plot anyway. It's obvious why they did it but still sucks.
Oh, rofl kk xD Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime? Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler +The sunohara ending? xD. Or I'm guessing there is an imouto route? No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them) There's a side character (doesn't show up at all in the anime) that gets his own route where he pairs up with Ryou Wait, you play as a male side character ? o.o interesting Well, I guess that's the obvious reason why it wasn't in the show now xD You're still Tomoya, but instead of you getting together with one of the girls, you help Kappei pair off with Ryou. I suppose you could say it makes up for Ryou not getting a proper route with Tomoya (her "route" is essentially a bad end in the middle of Kyou's route). Ah, thanks. That's interesting. Well, now I understand why the Kyou/Ryou special episode went the way it did ^^ Googling around, found some more sales charts that include CG and SEED/SEED Destiny. Don't know how accurate or good the source is though. On May 01 2012 14:57 Mysticesper wrote:On May 01 2012 13:55 Nagisama wrote:On May 01 2012 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 11:06 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 10:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 07:22 Kaal wrote:Code Geass sold ~90% of what Gundam SEED has That was what SEED sold in it's first WEEK of release in japan. SEED is easily the most popular anime that's come out in the last 15 years. It singlehandedly revived the entire anime industry. Well actually wiki says: In April 2004, Bandai Visual announced that one million copies of the Gundam SEED DVD had been sold in Japan, with the first volume having sold over 100,000 copies. The series ended in september 2003, so that's ~7 months after. If you look at Code Geass, By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs have been sold in Japan. That's 1 year after season 1 but 1 month before R2 finished airing. Both series are about ~50 episodes so in terms of sales, it seems like Code Geass has the stronger numbers there? Anyways, me and Sentenal have cleared things up, there were some silly misconceptions which had a snowball effect but now everything's good xD I think everyone should just ignore the majority of our posts since it would take quite a long time to see what went wrong especially if you want to try to dissect our actual opinions from them. Based wikipedia. Here's an actual sales chart. Number in parentheses is excluding BD-release, no idea why its there.
01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari
02) *71,057 ¥3,069m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
03) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED
05) *50,551 (45,366) ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch
06) *50,103 ¥1,999m 13 ep 2011 ufotable_______ Aniplex______ Fate/Zero ★(box/cour 1)
07) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macross Frontier
08) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!
09) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Wow, where do you get those from? (like page or link) Also, is the first number the number of sales sold in the first week, or...? I heard madoka sold a lot, but wow that is a lot. On May 01 2012 12:52 Dullahan wrote:On May 01 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 21:43 Dullahan wrote:On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:[quote] Oh, rofl kk xD Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime? Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler +The sunohara ending? xD. Or I'm guessing there is an imouto route? No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them) There's a side character (doesn't show up at all in the anime) that gets his own route where he pairs up with Ryou Wait, you play as a male side character ? o.o interesting Well, I guess that's the obvious reason why it wasn't in the show now xD You're still Tomoya, but instead of you getting together with one of the girls, you help Kappei pair off with Ryou. I suppose you could say it makes up for Ryou not getting a proper route with Tomoya (her "route" is essentially a bad end in the middle of Kyou's route). Ah, thanks. That's interesting. Well, now I understand why the Kyou/Ryou special episode went the way it did ^^ Googling around, found some more sales charts that include CG and SEED/SEED Destiny. Don't know how accurate or good the source is though. http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1972211#post1972211Theres so much stuff in that thread, it does become hard to read. As far as I know, these charts are BD sales to date based upon yearly/monthly/weekly rankings or something. That's where the numbers came from though. There are sources for like, everything in there too. But yeah, madoka vols 1-5 sold 50k+ in the first week, so thats why it's extremely high. It broke Bakemono's record of having most BDs sold in a single volume in the first week, also why it's extremely high too. Also worth noting it's in average sales per unit (either boxset or volume), so it isnt a sum of all volumes, so I guess you can multiply it by volumes to get an approximate total sales. This way longer shows arent skewed as having an advantage. Wow, nice links xD SEED definitely has a love-it-or-hate-it quality to it, and apparently it didn't do well when it was first aired in the US. Was much more popular in Japan. But Gundam Wing did well in the US, and Gundam Wing sucks, so take that for what you will.
Eh, personally I like Wing a lot and think SEED had a lot of shortcomings. The story of SEED is good, but the characters were way too whiny and filled with melodrama for my tastes.
In pretty much any work of fiction or non-fiction, I find the characters to be as important or more important than the story itself. A bad story can be carried by good characters, a good story with bad characters is just bad, to me. That's why I couldn't really get into SEED, every episode of pure whiny kids crying about not wanting to kill people in war really got on my nerves.
That idea can work as character development. Look at Trigun. But Vash doesn't spend half the series crying, he just goes on with his chin set and does the right thing. Hell, even in the episode where + Show Spoiler +Legato makes him kill him
And while Wing has a silly plot, the characters ranged from "fun and interesting" to "badass and stoic", which I find much more interesting than most of what SEED had to offer.
Except for Mu La Flaga. That dude was fucking awesome.
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On May 02 2012 01:32 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:19 Zergneedsfood wrote:On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? 2008 isn't that old. On May 02 2012 01:12 mcimba42 wrote:On May 02 2012 00:58 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 22:13 mcimba42 wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 Elem wrote:On May 01 2012 21:31 Dullahan wrote:
lol, welcome to Key's what-is-this-I-don't-even magic Every time you think you're up to their scheme, and that everything will be fine. You carefully read through it as you approach what you feel is the end of it all. THEN THEY JUST STRIKE YOU DOWN WITHOUT MERCY. ;_; I wish this still worked on me, Tin Woodman ain't got shit on me, I try to read the most depressing shit I can find and the tears just won't come. Yeah, you're probably emotionally dead at 17. We all know how it is man. I wouldn't say emotionally dead, but I don't get the same emotional impact from watching cute 2d girls being sad that I used to. It's pretty shit though. On May 02 2012 01:06 Sentenal wrote:On May 02 2012 01:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why would you actively look for the most depressing shit to begin with? That just sounds like something a masochist would do. >.> This comment reminds me of the time I asked ZNF why he wanted to watch 5cm/s. Isn't that supposed to be depressing and sad too (not to mention, old as fuck)? Why are there stories with sad endings? People want the emotional impact from that kind of stuff, even if it's not necessarily happy. As much as there were girls being sad in KEY works, that's not the reason why they stand out. It's early 2007, so therefore, it's old because it's a little over 5 years.
I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer?
On May 02 2012 01:50 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:58 Sentenal wrote:On May 01 2012 15:43 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Lol I thought I remembered SEED being on Toonami but people not liking it much or it being one of the worst Gundams, then I found it weird that people are saying SEED is good and stuff here. Then I found out there's SEED Destiny xD On May 01 2012 13:55 Nagisama wrote:On May 01 2012 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 11:06 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 10:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 07:22 Kaal wrote:Code Geass sold ~90% of what Gundam SEED has That was what SEED sold in it's first WEEK of release in japan. SEED is easily the most popular anime that's come out in the last 15 years. It singlehandedly revived the entire anime industry. Well actually wiki says: In April 2004, Bandai Visual announced that one million copies of the Gundam SEED DVD had been sold in Japan, with the first volume having sold over 100,000 copies. The series ended in september 2003, so that's ~7 months after. If you look at Code Geass, By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs have been sold in Japan. That's 1 year after season 1 but 1 month before R2 finished airing. Both series are about ~50 episodes so in terms of sales, it seems like Code Geass has the stronger numbers there? Anyways, me and Sentenal have cleared things up, there were some silly misconceptions which had a snowball effect but now everything's good xD I think everyone should just ignore the majority of our posts since it would take quite a long time to see what went wrong especially if you want to try to dissect our actual opinions from them. Based wikipedia. Here's an actual sales chart. Number in parentheses is excluding BD-release, no idea why its there.
01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari
02) *71,057 ¥3,069m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
03) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED
05) *50,551 (45,366) ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch
06) *50,103 ¥1,999m 13 ep 2011 ufotable_______ Aniplex______ Fate/Zero ★(box/cour 1)
07) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macross Frontier
08) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!
09) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Wow, where do you get those from? (like page or link) Also, is the first number the number of sales sold in the first week, or...? I heard madoka sold a lot, but wow that is a lot. On May 01 2012 12:52 Dullahan wrote:On May 01 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 21:43 Dullahan wrote:On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:On April 30 2012 18:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:[quote] Oh, rofl kk xD Hm, what is this route that wasn't in the anime? Is it possibly... + Show Spoiler +The sunohara ending? xD. Or I'm guessing there is an imouto route? No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them) There's a side character (doesn't show up at all in the anime) that gets his own route where he pairs up with Ryou Wait, you play as a male side character ? o.o interesting Well, I guess that's the obvious reason why it wasn't in the show now xD You're still Tomoya, but instead of you getting together with one of the girls, you help Kappei pair off with Ryou. I suppose you could say it makes up for Ryou not getting a proper route with Tomoya (her "route" is essentially a bad end in the middle of Kyou's route). Ah, thanks. That's interesting. Well, now I understand why the Kyou/Ryou special episode went the way it did ^^ Googling around, found some more sales charts that include CG and SEED/SEED Destiny. Don't know how accurate or good the source is though. On May 01 2012 14:57 Mysticesper wrote:On May 01 2012 13:55 Nagisama wrote:On May 01 2012 13:07 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 11:06 Kaal wrote:On May 01 2012 10:03 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On May 01 2012 07:22 Kaal wrote:Code Geass sold ~90% of what Gundam SEED has That was what SEED sold in it's first WEEK of release in japan. SEED is easily the most popular anime that's come out in the last 15 years. It singlehandedly revived the entire anime industry. Well actually wiki says: In April 2004, Bandai Visual announced that one million copies of the Gundam SEED DVD had been sold in Japan, with the first volume having sold over 100,000 copies. The series ended in september 2003, so that's ~7 months after. If you look at Code Geass, By August 2008, over 900,000 Code Geass discs have been sold in Japan. That's 1 year after season 1 but 1 month before R2 finished airing. Both series are about ~50 episodes so in terms of sales, it seems like Code Geass has the stronger numbers there? Anyways, me and Sentenal have cleared things up, there were some silly misconceptions which had a snowball effect but now everything's good xD I think everyone should just ignore the majority of our posts since it would take quite a long time to see what went wrong especially if you want to try to dissect our actual opinions from them. Based wikipedia. Here's an actual sales chart. Number in parentheses is excluding BD-release, no idea why its there.
01) *78,671 ¥3,558m 15 ep 2009 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Bakemonogatari
02) *71,057 ¥3,069m 12 ep 2011 Shaft__________ Aniplex______ Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
03) *68,734 ¥5,629m 50 ep 2004 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED Destiny
04) *58,589 ¥4,798m 50 ep 2002 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Kidou Senshi Gundam SEED
05) *50,551 (45,366) ¥2,673m 25 ep 2006 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch
06) *50,103 ¥1,999m 13 ep 2011 ufotable_______ Aniplex______ Fate/Zero ★(box/cour 1)
07) *46,146 ¥2,705m 25 ep 2008 Satelight______ Bandai_______ Macross Frontier
08) *43,883 ¥2,309m 14 ep 2009 Kyoto Animation Pony Canyon__ K-ON!
09) *42,690 ¥2,370m 25 ep 2008 Sunrise________ Bandai_______ Code Geass: Hangyaku no Lelouch R2
Wow, where do you get those from? (like page or link) Also, is the first number the number of sales sold in the first week, or...? I heard madoka sold a lot, but wow that is a lot. On May 01 2012 12:52 Dullahan wrote:On May 01 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On April 30 2012 21:43 Dullahan wrote:On April 30 2012 18:27 Elem wrote:
[quote]No imouto route. It's technically one, but at the same time not at all. Sumohara ending is a bit...different. There are a lot of small details. You should give the VN a try if you enjoyed the anime, it's far better imo (though that's the case with most VNs that have an anime attached to them)
There's a side character (doesn't show up at all in the anime) that gets his own route where he pairs up with Ryou Wait, you play as a male side character ? o.o interesting Well, I guess that's the obvious reason why it wasn't in the show now xD You're still Tomoya, but instead of you getting together with one of the girls, you help Kappei pair off with Ryou. I suppose you could say it makes up for Ryou not getting a proper route with Tomoya (her "route" is essentially a bad end in the middle of Kyou's route). Ah, thanks. That's interesting. Well, now I understand why the Kyou/Ryou special episode went the way it did ^^ Googling around, found some more sales charts that include CG and SEED/SEED Destiny. Don't know how accurate or good the source is though. http://www.mania.com/aodvb/showthread.php?p=1972211#post1972211Theres so much stuff in that thread, it does become hard to read. As far as I know, these charts are BD sales to date based upon yearly/monthly/weekly rankings or something. That's where the numbers came from though. There are sources for like, everything in there too. But yeah, madoka vols 1-5 sold 50k+ in the first week, so thats why it's extremely high. It broke Bakemono's record of having most BDs sold in a single volume in the first week, also why it's extremely high too. Also worth noting it's in average sales per unit (either boxset or volume), so it isnt a sum of all volumes, so I guess you can multiply it by volumes to get an approximate total sales. This way longer shows arent skewed as having an advantage. Wow, nice links xD SEED definitely has a love-it-or-hate-it quality to it, and apparently it didn't do well when it was first aired in the US. Was much more popular in Japan. But Gundam Wing did well in the US, and Gundam Wing sucks, so take that for what you will. Eh, personally I like Wing a lot and think SEED had a lot of shortcomings. The story of SEED is good, but the characters were way too whiny and filled with melodrama for my tastes. In pretty much any work of fiction or non-fiction, I find the characters to be as important or more important than the story itself. A bad story can be carried by good characters, a good story with bad characters is just bad, to me. That's why I couldn't really get into SEED, every episode of pure whiny kids crying about not wanting to kill people in war really got on my nerves. That idea can work as character development. Look at Trigun. But Vash doesn't spend half the series crying, he just goes on with his chin set and does the right thing. Hell, even in the episode where + Show Spoiler +Legato makes him kill him , or when he + Show Spoiler +, he still gets over it and moves on with his life. And while Wing has a silly plot, the characters ranged from "fun and interesting" to "badass and stoic", which I find much more interesting than most of what SEED had to offer. Except for Mu La Flaga. That dude was fucking awesome.
I'd strongly disagree the characters in SEED were bad (IMO they are one of its strong parts), but everyone has their own opinions and tastes. I won't really go into this too much/argue it, I've already given my opinion on both shows pretty indepth recently anyway, in my blog. IMO, characters in Wing ranged from "fun and interesting" (aka Duo), "Treize" (Treize), "most blatant Char to ever Char" (Zechs), and boring (rest of the cast), so even then I don't see Wing having "good characters and a bad story".
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I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer?
Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? There hasn't been any real improvement in the graphical quality of anime since then, except for a few shows like GC and Hyouka that have above average animation and that's enough to make everyone care about them no matter how mediocre the actual content is.
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On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? There hasn't been any real improvement in the graphical quality of anime since then, except for a few shows like GC and Hyouka that have above average animation and that's enough to make everyone care about them no matter how mediocre the actual content is.
No dude, 2007 is ancient, must be shit, eye cancer, won't watch.
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On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? .
Because its a joke. Look who failed at sarcasm now. You cant possibly be so stoic that you fail to realise thats a troll. Especially after the supposedly painfully obvious sarcasm that most of what you say is riddled with.
On May 02 2012 02:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Saw this coming from a mile away >_>
Well if no one else you should :p
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On May 02 2012 02:47 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? There hasn't been any real improvement in the graphical quality of anime since then, except for a few shows like GC and Hyouka that have above average animation and that's enough to make everyone care about them no matter how mediocre the actual content is. No dude, 2007 is ancient, must be shit, eye cancer, won't watch.
Saw this coming from a mile away >_>
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On May 02 2012 02:47 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? . Because its a joke. Look who failed at sarcasm now. You cant possibly be so stoic that you fail to realise thats a troll. Especially after the supposedly painfully obvious sarcasm that most of what you say is riddled with. Well if no one else you should :p
Just saying something that's wrong is not sarcasm, at least not when it's written. There's a difference between making a ridiculous exaggeration, while even making the sentence sound dumb, and saying "anime from 2007 is old. Without voice or context, it's impossible to identify that as sarcasm. Apparently t's some sort of in joke over here (?), how am I supposed to be familiar with that?
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On May 02 2012 03:08 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:47 Rebs wrote:On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? . Because its a joke. Look who failed at sarcasm now. You cant possibly be so stoic that you fail to realise thats a troll. Especially after the supposedly painfully obvious sarcasm that most of what you say is riddled with. On May 02 2012 02:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Saw this coming from a mile away >_> Well if no one else you should :p Just saying something that's wrong is not sarcasm, at least not when it's written. There's a difference between making a ridiculous exaggeration, while even making the sentence sound dumb, and saying "anime from 2007 is old. Without voice or context, it's impossible to identify that as sarcasm. Apparently t's some sort of in joke over here (?), how am I supposed to be familiar with that?
Well I think your first hint should be that the same guy who, in this very thread on this very page, stated he liked an anime from 2002, was saying that.
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On May 02 2012 03:08 mcimba42 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:47 Rebs wrote:On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? . Because its a joke. Look who failed at sarcasm now. You cant possibly be so stoic that you fail to realise thats a troll. Especially after the supposedly painfully obvious sarcasm that most of what you say is riddled with. On May 02 2012 02:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Saw this coming from a mile away >_> Well if no one else you should :p Just saying something that's wrong is not sarcasm, at least not when it's written. There's a difference between making a ridiculous exaggeration, while even making the sentence sound dumb, and saying "anime from 2007 is old. Without voice or context, it's impossible to identify that as sarcasm. Apparently t's some sort of in joke over here (?), how am I supposed to be familiar with that?
Saying 2007 anime is old isnt a ridiculous exaggeration? What do you think?
Yeah. Exactly. Maybe the eye cancer through you off.
Without voice or context
Might do well to remember that the next time you employ it.
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On May 02 2012 03:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:08 mcimba42 wrote:On May 02 2012 02:47 Rebs wrote:On May 02 2012 02:42 mcimba42 wrote:I mean, I guess I can sorta understand watching depressing stuff for the sole reason to make yourself sad, but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer? Whoa whoa, what the hell man, have you watched 5 cms/s? It looks better than 90% of the stuff released in recent years. And how is anime from 2007 ancient? . Because its a joke. Look who failed at sarcasm now. You cant possibly be so stoic that you fail to realise thats a troll. Especially after the supposedly painfully obvious sarcasm that most of what you say is riddled with. On May 02 2012 02:51 Emnjay808 wrote:
Saw this coming from a mile away >_> Well if no one else you should :p Just saying something that's wrong is not sarcasm, at least not when it's written. There's a difference between making a ridiculous exaggeration, while even making the sentence sound dumb, and saying "anime from 2007 is old. Without voice or context, it's impossible to identify that as sarcasm. Apparently t's some sort of in joke over here (?), how am I supposed to be familiar with that? Saying 2007 anime is old isnt a ridiculous exaggeration? What do you think? Yeah. Exactly. Maybe the eye cancer through you off. Might do well to remember that the next time you employ it.
Then let me use my post as an example. This is the part someone took too seriously:
the brilliant military tactics from the brilliant military mastermind that is Lelouch (such as baiting people onto a bridge and making it collapse, baiting people into a building and making it collapse, or baiting people onto a bridge and making a building collapse on top of it)
Not only is there a horrible repetition no one would use in a real sentence, the idea of considering what is essentially three slight variations of the same very simple tactic (baiting people and making shit fall on top of them) "brilliant military tactics" is completely retarded.
but why would you want to watch ancient stuff from 2007/2008 and give yourself eye cancer?
Now, this sentence does sound like something a sane human being would say, and while I might disagree with what it says, it's not fundamentally dumb as fuck. There might be people who think 5 year old anime is old. The Internet is probably filled with them.
If I say "My father is a reptile." it's obviously not true, but it's also not fucking sarcasm, is it now?
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