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Yeah, like... if they're picking up where they left off with the first season arcs what are they going to do with Haruka considering her ending had them older and married. No one wants to watch a married couple. Fuck that shit.
Fanservice does affect the show--its jarring when you have a big titty nurse run across the screen, with BOING BOING sound effects played in the background when you are supposed to be worried about the zombies comming up in the stairs. It will detract from the immersion, especially so in HoTD's case because its fanservice is in the form of a harem. In movies, sexual things and horror often go hand in hand, because sometimes fear can spurn the desperation of your desires much like an aphrodisiac. But, like i said, that is completely different from 'everyone wants the MC, and he falls on top of them because of it.
No one said anything about 'gotta be grimdark', I merely drew the distinction between when a show is shooting its self in the foot over creating a semi-realistic and horrific setting and how it can not.
I did not say that shounen is a negative term, so you can keep those judgements to yourself; it means what it is associated with; characters battling against evil, acrobatic over-the-top fighting, characters strictly defined as your a-typical 'hero' (the highschool gang) and 'villian' (the evil teacher/the zombies).
No one is going to contest that rape and pillage during a crisis isn't dark, but in HoTD it is merely shoe-horned in between a pair of breasts and a tank passing a barricade while balancing on its side, jarring the viewer out of any shock or credibility.
High School DxD is pretty horrible. Like worst than HoTD. Just imagine HoTD fanservice, but with no clever way of delivering it. I mean fanservice to me is fine, I enjoy it quite a lot. But when its just blandly thrown in your face constantly, you start to feel like ur watching a shitty hentai.
Its bad, just trying to finish it took a lot out of me.
Well off to Symphogear now...
On January 07 2012 15:18 tonight wrote: Yeah, like... if they're picking up where they left off with the first season arcs what are they going to do with Haruka considering her ending had them older and married. No one wants to watch a married couple. Fuck that shit.
Do you even remember Ayatsuji's ending in Season 1?
On January 07 2012 15:28 Emnjay808 wrote: High School DxD is pretty horrible. Like worst than HoTD. Just imagine HoTD fanservice, but with no clever way of delivering it. I mean fanservice to me is fine, I enjoy it quite a lot. But when its just blandly thrown in your face constantly, you start to feel like ur watching a shitty hentai.
Its bad, just trying to finish it took a lot out of me.
On January 07 2012 15:18 tonight wrote: Yeah, like... if they're picking up where they left off with the first season arcs what are they going to do with Haruka considering her ending had them older and married. No one wants to watch a married couple. Fuck that shit.
Do you even remember Ayatsuji's ending in Season 1?
Yes? Was there more to that question?
edit: oh fuck I forgot they did that ending and not where they end in the school~
edit2: They must be picking up from the "best ending", but not from the one that actually aired on the first season.
Fanservice does affect the show--its jarring when you have a big titty nurse run across the screen, with BOING BOING sound effects played in the background when you are supposed to be worried about the zombies comming up in the stairs. It will detract from the immersion, especially so in HoTD's case because its fanservice is in the form of a harem. In movies, sexual things and horror often go hand in hand, because sometimes fear can spurn the desperation of your desires much like an aphrodisiac. But, like i said, that is completely different from 'everyone wants the MC, and he falls on top of them because of it.
No one said anything about 'gotta be grimdark', I merely drew the distinction between when a show is shooting its self in the foot over creating a semi-realistic and horrific setting and how it can not.
I did not say that shounen is a negative term, so you can keep those judgements to yourself; it means what it is associated with; characters battling against evil, acrobatic over-the-top fighting, characters strictly defined as your a-typical 'hero' (the highschool gang) and 'villian' (the evil teacher/the zombies).
No one is going to contest that rape and pillage during a crisis isn't dark, but in HoTD it is merely shoe-horned in between a pair of breasts and a tank passing a barricade while balancing on its side, jarring the viewer out of any shock or credibility.
How does that make the show not "dark and gritty"? Fanservice does effect shows, but it also doesn't somehow make a dark show somehow not-dark anymore. Everything that normally makes a Zombie story "dark" still happened, in graphic detail often times. Fanservice didn't make that stuff simply not happen.
And you were using "shounen-esque" as a negative, so give me a break. Or are you going to tell me that you were actually praising it when you said stuff like "due to its overwhelming fanservice and shonen-esque scenes the characters wind up in, it has abandoned any form of gritty or dark undertones" or "This genre disctinction is what sets the anime/manga back; it's a shounen-esque harem, with zombies as a twist."
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Fanservice does affect the show--its jarring when you have a big titty nurse run across the screen, with BOING BOING sound effects played in the background when you are supposed to be worried about the zombies comming up in the stairs. It will detract from the immersion, especially so in HoTD's case because its fanservice is in the form of a harem. In movies, sexual things and horror often go hand in hand, because sometimes fear can spurn the desperation of your desires much like an aphrodisiac. But, like i said, that is completely different from 'everyone wants the MC, and he falls on top of them because of it.
No one said anything about 'gotta be grimdark', I merely drew the distinction between when a show is shooting its self in the foot over creating a semi-realistic and horrific setting and how it can not.
I did not say that shounen is a negative term, so you can keep those judgements to yourself; it means what it is associated with; characters battling against evil, acrobatic over-the-top fighting, characters strictly defined as your a-typical 'hero' (the highschool gang) and 'villian' (the evil teacher/the zombies).
No one is going to contest that rape and pillage during a crisis isn't dark, but in HoTD it is merely shoe-horned in between a pair of breasts and a tank passing a barricade while balancing on its side, jarring the viewer out of any shock or credibility.
How does that make the show not "dark and gritty"? Fanservice does effect shows, but it also doesn't somehow make a dark show somehow not-dark anymore. Everything that normally makes a Zombie story "dark" still happened, in graphic detail often times. Fanservice didn't make that stuff simply not happen.
And you were using "shounen-esque" as a negative, so give me a break. Or are you going to tell me that you were actually praising it when you said stuff like "due to its overwhelming fanservice and shonen-esque scenes the characters wind up in, it has abandoned any form of gritty or dark undertones" or "This genre disctinction is what sets the anime/manga back; it's a shounen-esque harem, with zombies as a twist."
you do not understand the concept of atmosphere do you
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Yeah, I can take this scene pretty serious despite what the serious implications are.
On January 07 2012 15:28 Emnjay808 wrote: High School DxD is pretty horrible. Like worst than HoTD. Just imagine HoTD fanservice, but with no clever way of delivering it. I mean fanservice to me is fine, I enjoy it quite a lot. But when its just blandly thrown in your face constantly, you start to feel like ur watching a shitty hentai.
Its bad, just trying to finish it took a lot out of me.
Well off to Symphogear now...
On January 07 2012 15:18 tonight wrote: Yeah, like... if they're picking up where they left off with the first season arcs what are they going to do with Haruka considering her ending had them older and married. No one wants to watch a married couple. Fuck that shit.
Do you even remember Ayatsuji's ending in Season 1?
Yes? Was there more to that question?
edit: oh fuck I forgot they did that ending and not where they end in the school~
edit2: They must be picking up from the "best ending", but not from the one that actually aired on the first season.
I think theyre just showing what happened "in between" for Morishima and Ayatsuji's case. The rest I think will prolly be a normal sequel.
On January 07 2012 15:28 Emnjay808 wrote: High School DxD is pretty horrible. Like worst than HoTD. Just imagine HoTD fanservice, but with no clever way of delivering it. I mean fanservice to me is fine, I enjoy it quite a lot. But when its just blandly thrown in your face constantly, you start to feel like ur watching a shitty hentai.
Its bad, just trying to finish it took a lot out of me.
Well off to Symphogear now...
On January 07 2012 15:18 tonight wrote: Yeah, like... if they're picking up where they left off with the first season arcs what are they going to do with Haruka considering her ending had them older and married. No one wants to watch a married couple. Fuck that shit.
Do you even remember Ayatsuji's ending in Season 1?
Yes? Was there more to that question?
edit: oh fuck I forgot they did that ending and not where they end in the school~
edit2: They must be picking up from the "best ending", but not from the one that actually aired on the first season.
I think theyre just showing what happened "in between" for Morishima and Ayatsuji's case. The rest I think will prolly be a normal sequel.
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Yeah, I can take this scene pretty serious despite what the serious implications are.
Its an action scene where they are killing zombies. Even without the fanservice that scene wouldn't have been anything more than... killing zombies. What sort of serious implications is that scene taking away?
It isn't truly dark, nor was it too gritty. Was I scared when he was carrying a loli while balancing on a brick wall between a sea of zombies because he could lose his balance and be eaten alive?
No. Because she had to pee and gave him a golden shower. <--- This is just one example of what I am talking about.
Maybe you could convince be otherwise if it had not been constrained within it's 12 episode format (no suprise seeing as it is pretty damn similar to the source material).
I was not using shounen in a negative connontaton, which you would recognize if you even knew where I was coming from-- and clearly you didn't because you needed me to spell out what made it similar to a shounen anime/manga. However, it does indeed NEGATIVELY affect it as a horror/pyschological type of anime, which anyone could tell you is what it was not inteded to go for in the first place.
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Yeah, I can take this scene pretty serious despite what the serious implications are.
Its an action scene where they are killing zombies. Even without the fanservice that scene wouldn't have been anything more than... killing zombies. What sort of serious implications is that scene taking away?
Yes, it's killing zombies, but it's not focused on that at all. It is clearly focused on the goddamn T&A which completely removes you from the scene and what's actually happening in the scene. The implications are that they are fighting to stay alive. That they are cornered and for all intents and purposes they look like they're going to be killed, but instead the part of that scene that sticks out more than anything else to anyone is that... the tits shaking all over the place and a goddamn magic bullet that can split the pair.
ps - the show was dumb, but I enjoyed it for what it was
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Yeah, I can take this scene pretty serious despite what the serious implications are.
Its an action scene where they are killing zombies. Even without the fanservice that scene wouldn't have been anything more than... killing zombies. What sort of serious implications is that scene taking away?
Ahahaha.
How about the fact that the viewer is supposed to be suspended in disbelief over whether or not the characters will surive the battle or not?
Not about how tits can move faster than the speed of sound, and not rip one's chest apart over the displacement of such force over the body.
Not about how you need to fire a gun off some girls tits, which is in turn making her aroused and embarassed.
I don't know, were so many things wrong with that scene it does not even need to be explained further.
On January 07 2012 15:51 EMIYA wrote: Calm yourself.
It isn't truly dark, nor was it too gritty. Was I scared when he was carrying a loli while balancing on a brick wall between a sea of zombies because he could lose his balance and be eaten alive?
No. Because she had to pee and gave him a golden shower. <--- This is just one example of what I am talking about.
Maybe you could convince be otherwise if it had not been constrained within it's 12 episode format (no suprise seeing as it is pretty damn similar to the source material).
I was not using shounen in a negative connontaton, which you would recognize if you even knew where I was coming from-- and clearly you didn't because you needed me to spell out what made it similar to a shounen anime/manga. However, it does indeed NEGATIVELY affect it as a horror/pyschological type of anime, which anyone could tell you is what it was not inteded to go for in the first place.
You consider the girl having to pee there fanservice? ...Anyway, so what? Point? How does that change the fact that he was carrying a loli while balancing on a brick wall between a sea of zombies because he could lose his balance and be eaten alive? Because I'm pretty sure it doesn't change shit.
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Yeah, I can take this scene pretty serious despite what the serious implications are.
Its an action scene where they are killing zombies. Even without the fanservice that scene wouldn't have been anything more than... killing zombies. What sort of serious implications is that scene taking away?
Yes, it's killing zombies, but it's not focused on that at all. It is clearly focused on the goddamn T&A which completely removes you from the scene and what's actually happening in the scene. The implications are that they are fighting to stay alive. That they are cornered and for all intents and purposes they look like they're going to be killed, but instead the part of that scene that sticks out more than anything else to anyone is that... the tits shaking all over the place and a goddamn magic bullet that can split the pair.
ps - the show was dumb, but I enjoyed it for what it was
I don't know about you, but the presence of fan service doesn't make me lose focus on the overall picture. The fanservice is blatantly obvious, yeah, no one can deny that, nor am I trying to say that it wasn't. But what I'm trying to say is that just because its there, it doesn't erase anything else thats going on.
On January 07 2012 15:38 tonight wrote: The fan service takes away from any serious implications the show could possibly have because it is so over the top and obnoxious
How does that work? The serious implications are still there. Fanservice doesn't magically make other stuff disappear.
Yeah, I can take this scene pretty serious despite what the serious implications are.
Its an action scene where they are killing zombies. Even without the fanservice that scene wouldn't have been anything more than... killing zombies. What sort of serious implications is that scene taking away?
Ahahaha.
How about the fact that the viewer is supposed to be suspended in disbelief over whether or not the characters will surive the battle or not?
Not about how tits can move faster than the speed of sound, and not rip one's chest apart over the displacement of such force over the body.
Not about how you need to fire a gun off some girls tits, which is in turn making her aroused and embarassed.
I don't know, were so many things wrong with that scene it does not even need to be explained further.
What serious implications is it taking away? Seriously, what the hell does any of that have to do with anything? You already suspend disbelieve because its a fucking zombie anime. And you can't do any more than that? Take away the fanservice, and they are killing zombies. Leave the fan service in, they are killing zombies, except with lots of tits and ass shots. Changes nothing.
You are calling a Harem-ecchi-fan service overload show gritty and dark, but if you can ignore things that completely ruin the atmosphere of each scene where something like this happens then more power to you. Ignorance truly is bliss.
On January 07 2012 16:06 tonight wrote: You are calling a Harem-ecchi-fan service overload show gritty and dark, but if you can ignore things that completely ruin the atmosphere of each scene where something like this happens then more power to you. Ignorance truly is bliss.
And here I was trying to not sound like a douchebag. So apparently, when tits and ass are on the screen, you completely lose your power of focus? Gotta stare at them titties. "Ignorance"? What the fuck, its more like a problem with you not being able to concentrate.