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aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
September 08 2011 17:06 GMT
#27841
New Guilty Crown trailer: http://www.guilty-crown.jp/gallery/movie/#trailer_2

Probably the best looking show next season in terms of production values.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
September 08 2011 17:15 GMT
#27842
On September 08 2011 10:17 Rebs wrote:
anyone seen morita san wa mukuchi? seems like a Hitohira meets Byakko meets every other Lucky Star clone..

I like it. For a 4 min show, it's pretty fun to watch.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 08 2011 17:42 GMT
#27843
On September 08 2011 21:39 Southlight wrote:
Shirou is annoying as fuck and is worse than Ikari Shinji with his moralfaggotry, lol. It's usually mentioned as quite a big perk that there is no Shirou in F/Z.

But I meant more that one of the major themes in F/SN is the struggle about justice and righteousness, as the arcs each deal with "dreaming of being a savior" "saving everyone" and "saving only one." F/Z doesn't have that sort of moral pondering, is what's generally being pointed at.

Shinji Ikari wasn't annoying because of moralfaggotry. Honestly I don't remember Shinji ever being abnormally moralfaggy in Eva, most of the time he was crying and afraid of doing the "right" thing, and didn't care to save the world because he was such a coward pussy wimp. He was annoying because he is a huge spineless pussy who cries at everything. At least Shirou had badass scenes and shit, even if his moralfaggy "I want to save everyone" was really annoying/retarded/suicidal.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
September 08 2011 18:55 GMT
#27844
On September 09 2011 02:42 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 21:39 Southlight wrote:
Shirou is annoying as fuck and is worse than Ikari Shinji with his moralfaggotry, lol. It's usually mentioned as quite a big perk that there is no Shirou in F/Z.

But I meant more that one of the major themes in F/SN is the struggle about justice and righteousness, as the arcs each deal with "dreaming of being a savior" "saving everyone" and "saving only one." F/Z doesn't have that sort of moral pondering, is what's generally being pointed at.

Shinji Ikari wasn't annoying because of moralfaggotry. Honestly I don't remember Shinji ever being abnormally moralfaggy in Eva, most of the time he was crying and afraid of doing the "right" thing, and didn't care to save the world because he was such a coward pussy wimp. He was annoying because he is a huge spineless pussy who cries at everything. At least Shirou had badass scenes and shit, even if his moralfaggy "I want to save everyone" was really annoying/retarded/suicidal.

I think he was referring to Shirou because of basically everything you said. If Shirou and moralfag are in the same sentence, they should be associated with each other.

I don't know what to expect from F/Z but as long as none of the characters are "moralfag save EVERYONE because people die when they are killed" types of people, it can't be worse.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8031 Posts
September 08 2011 19:32 GMT
#27845
On September 09 2011 03:55 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 02:42 Sentenal wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:39 Southlight wrote:
Shirou is annoying as fuck and is worse than Ikari Shinji with his moralfaggotry, lol. It's usually mentioned as quite a big perk that there is no Shirou in F/Z.

But I meant more that one of the major themes in F/SN is the struggle about justice and righteousness, as the arcs each deal with "dreaming of being a savior" "saving everyone" and "saving only one." F/Z doesn't have that sort of moral pondering, is what's generally being pointed at.

Shinji Ikari wasn't annoying because of moralfaggotry. Honestly I don't remember Shinji ever being abnormally moralfaggy in Eva, most of the time he was crying and afraid of doing the "right" thing, and didn't care to save the world because he was such a coward pussy wimp. He was annoying because he is a huge spineless pussy who cries at everything. At least Shirou had badass scenes and shit, even if his moralfaggy "I want to save everyone" was really annoying/retarded/suicidal.

I think he was referring to Shirou because of basically everything you said. If Shirou and moralfag are in the same sentence, they should be associated with each other.

I don't know what to expect from F/Z but as long as none of the characters are "moralfag save EVERYONE because people die when they are killed" types of people, it can't be worse.

Fear not, everyone is a badass with possibly one exception (and even he's not too bad by the end). The cast of F/Z makes almost all the characters of FSN look like chumps.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 08 2011 19:41 GMT
#27846
On September 09 2011 03:55 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 02:42 Sentenal wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:39 Southlight wrote:
Shirou is annoying as fuck and is worse than Ikari Shinji with his moralfaggotry, lol. It's usually mentioned as quite a big perk that there is no Shirou in F/Z.

But I meant more that one of the major themes in F/SN is the struggle about justice and righteousness, as the arcs each deal with "dreaming of being a savior" "saving everyone" and "saving only one." F/Z doesn't have that sort of moral pondering, is what's generally being pointed at.

Shinji Ikari wasn't annoying because of moralfaggotry. Honestly I don't remember Shinji ever being abnormally moralfaggy in Eva, most of the time he was crying and afraid of doing the "right" thing, and didn't care to save the world because he was such a coward pussy wimp. He was annoying because he is a huge spineless pussy who cries at everything. At least Shirou had badass scenes and shit, even if his moralfaggy "I want to save everyone" was really annoying/retarded/suicidal.

I think he was referring to Shirou because of basically everything you said. If Shirou and moralfag are in the same sentence, they should be associated with each other.

I don't know what to expect from F/Z but as long as none of the characters are "moralfag save EVERYONE because people die when they are killed" types of people, it can't be worse.

???

He was making a big deal of Shirou being a worse moralfag than Shinji. And my entire point was that Shinji was too much of a whiny coward pussy wimp to even be a huge moral fag. He probably mean to say that Shirou is more annoying than Shinji, because of Shirou's moralfaggotry. I still strongly diagree, but at least his statement would make sense in that phrasing.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
September 08 2011 19:41 GMT
#27847
I was making a point about Shinji being a better and more tolerable character than Shirou, a stance I've made and iterated several times in this thread.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 08 2011 19:52 GMT
#27848
On September 09 2011 04:41 Southlight wrote:
I was making a point about Shinji being a better and more tolerable character than Shirou, a stance I've made and iterated several times in this thread.

I still don't understand how you think a character with absolutely no redeemable qualities is better than an annoying character with only a few redeemable qualities.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 20:05:39
September 08 2011 20:05 GMT
#27849
On September 09 2011 04:41 Southlight wrote:
I was making a point about Shinji being a better and more tolerable character than Shirou, a stance I've made and iterated several times in this thread.


frankly I inferred the opposite on the earlier comment aswell. Shinji practically takes the show down by himself for me.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
September 08 2011 20:32 GMT
#27850
I think Shirou teh moralfag was a lot more tolerable than Shinji teh crybaby, plus I've managed to convince myself that Saber is the protagonist of FSN no matter what anyone claims, not listening.

Got curious and checked characters popularity on myanimelist. Not really trying to make a point or anything but meh.

+ Show Spoiler +
Saber - Member Favorites: 3851
Rin - Member Favorites: 1482
Shirou - Member Favorites: 274

Asuka - Member Favorites: 2618
Rei - Member Favorites: 2939
Shinji - Member Favorites: 930(Y SO MANY!?)


I guess they tried their very best to make main characters that everyone would come to hate.
SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 20:45:42
September 08 2011 20:45 GMT
#27851
Technically they had to make Shirou a moralfag because he gay for Archer. See what I did there? ehhh EHHHH? UBW ANYONE? Now Shinji just plan retarded for no reason. No real why he should of been so retarded.
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 08 2011 20:52 GMT
#27852
On September 09 2011 05:45 SheaR619 wrote:
Technically they had to make Shirou a moralfag because he gay for Archer. See what I did there? ehhh EHHHH? UBW ANYONE? Now Shinji just plan retarded for no reason. No real why he should of been so retarded.

Shinji was designed to be the polar opposite of Nagare Ryoma and Kabuto Kouji. So it fit the premise of Eva, it did result in a terrible character.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
September 08 2011 20:54 GMT
#27853
On September 09 2011 04:52 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 04:41 Southlight wrote:
I was making a point about Shinji being a better and more tolerable character than Shirou, a stance I've made and iterated several times in this thread.

I still don't understand how you think a character with absolutely no redeemable qualities is better than an annoying character with only a few redeemable qualities.


The difference between Jehova's Witnesses and (many) Chinese Christians.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
CrAzzYmr.BC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States165 Posts
September 08 2011 21:05 GMT
#27854
On September 09 2011 05:54 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 04:52 Sentenal wrote:
On September 09 2011 04:41 Southlight wrote:
I was making a point about Shinji being a better and more tolerable character than Shirou, a stance I've made and iterated several times in this thread.

I still don't understand how you think a character with absolutely no redeemable qualities is better than an annoying character with only a few redeemable qualities.


The difference between Jehova's Witnesses and (many) Chinese Christians.


unneeded dude...

But I think it depends on how annoyed you got with the few things of that character. Like in Geass I think everyone generally didn't like Suzaku, but he didn't really bother me. Where as I could not stand Nina one bit.
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
September 08 2011 21:08 GMT
#27855
On September 09 2011 04:32 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 03:55 KazeHydra wrote:
On September 09 2011 02:42 Sentenal wrote:
On September 08 2011 21:39 Southlight wrote:
Shirou is annoying as fuck and is worse than Ikari Shinji with his moralfaggotry, lol. It's usually mentioned as quite a big perk that there is no Shirou in F/Z.

But I meant more that one of the major themes in F/SN is the struggle about justice and righteousness, as the arcs each deal with "dreaming of being a savior" "saving everyone" and "saving only one." F/Z doesn't have that sort of moral pondering, is what's generally being pointed at.

Shinji Ikari wasn't annoying because of moralfaggotry. Honestly I don't remember Shinji ever being abnormally moralfaggy in Eva, most of the time he was crying and afraid of doing the "right" thing, and didn't care to save the world because he was such a coward pussy wimp. He was annoying because he is a huge spineless pussy who cries at everything. At least Shirou had badass scenes and shit, even if his moralfaggy "I want to save everyone" was really annoying/retarded/suicidal.

I think he was referring to Shirou because of basically everything you said. If Shirou and moralfag are in the same sentence, they should be associated with each other.

I don't know what to expect from F/Z but as long as none of the characters are "moralfag save EVERYONE because people die when they are killed" types of people, it can't be worse.

Fear not, everyone is a badass with possibly one exception (and even he's not too bad by the end). The cast of F/Z makes almost all the characters of FSN look like chumps.


I hope you aint talkin down on my Waver boy becuase Waver is badass through and through and don't you say otherwise or I'm slap you.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
September 08 2011 21:09 GMT
#27856
On September 09 2011 06:05 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:54 Southlight wrote:
On September 09 2011 04:52 Sentenal wrote:
On September 09 2011 04:41 Southlight wrote:
I was making a point about Shinji being a better and more tolerable character than Shirou, a stance I've made and iterated several times in this thread.

I still don't understand how you think a character with absolutely no redeemable qualities is better than an annoying character with only a few redeemable qualities.


The difference between Jehova's Witnesses and (many) Chinese Christians.


unneeded dude...

But I think it depends on how annoyed you got with the few things of that character. Like in Geass I think everyone generally didn't like Suzaku, but he didn't really bother me. Where as I could not stand Nina one bit.


It's okay, no one likes Nina. Domon is the best Code Geass character anyway.
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Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9562 Posts
September 08 2011 21:12 GMT
#27857
Spinzaku "I don't like war so I killed my father and became a soldier of the oppressive nation" sums up people's hatred for him nicely I think...
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
CrAzzYmr.BC
Profile Joined March 2011
United States165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 21:17:21
September 08 2011 21:14 GMT
#27858
On September 09 2011 06:09 Ferrose wrote:

It's okay, no one likes Nina. Domon is the best Code Geass character anyway.[/QUOTE]

Lol well thats good. I am glad i'm not the only one disliking the + Show Spoiler +
rascist lesbo nuke freak of a character.


Spinzaku "I don't like war so I killed my father and became a soldier of the oppressive nation" sums up people's hatred for him nicely I think..


Yes people are justified in hating him completely. Nina just bothered me more.

this is cool:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2011-09-08/1/1-votoms-builder-is-now-making-a-robot-he-can-ride
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
September 08 2011 21:17 GMT
#27859
On September 09 2011 06:12 Latham wrote:
Spinzaku "I don't like war so I killed my father and became a soldier of the oppressive nation" sums up people's hatred for him nicely I think...


He did it so he could change Britannia from within it. Gawd, you didn't even watch the show, did you?
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
September 08 2011 21:22 GMT
#27860
The Daughter of 20 Faces is damn good. I'm a bit surprised almost nobody has watched it. It gets a bit silly midway with the Detective Girls thing but still excellent. Great animation, interesting story that keep going forward in every episode and still relatively mature despite being an action-adventure.
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