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On June 04 2011 01:50 Latham wrote:
Well, I finished both seasons of Haruhi. This is probably the very first anime in my life that I don't get the appeal of. Usually I can understand why people like it, or at least look at it from their point of view, but this time I really can't. Aside from the great animation on KyoAni's part, I feel this show is just barely above average.
1) Sure there are funny parts, but to me, there aren't either enough of them or they aren't funny enough.
2) While Haruhi does have her charm and certainly looks, I grew tired of her after 20+ episodes. In the end, after of watching 2 seasons, Nagato Yuki became my favourite MC member. Esper boy was just too laid back and creepy, time traveller girl was too much of a cry baby over the course of all the episodes combined, and I pitied the protag for being a slave.
3) The story goes really nowhere. I know this isn't really an argument since Lucky Star didn't really have a story either, but in Haruhi it somehow felt much worse. It's just a story about an eccentric girl becomeing God and always doing as she pleases and everyone too afraid to do anything because of the fear the world would implode.
4) The music and voice actors were good. I rarely find audio parts I don't like, so no complaints there.
5) The show is centred around Haruhi too much. I may be stepping out of line here, but I think it would have been more interesting with some more info/action about espers/aliens/time travellers.
6) I know people say the 2nd season is crap, but endless 8 and movie production episodes felt like such a copout and a waste of time ;/
Haruhi got popular because of the first season. You just had 12 episodes there, which were airred out of order, which let the audience constantly trying to piece things together, and created a more mysterious and unique feel for the anime. Most of the first season was pretty good, and the Melancholy part was 6 episodes with a direction and flow to the plot, and a decent enough conclusion. Most people hate season 2, for very good reason. However, the Movie is really good, so be sure to watch it.
I will agree that Haruhi, and the Haruhi Movie, are very overrated. But they are still good shows in their own right.
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On June 04 2011 01:59 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 01:54 Southlight wrote:
Oh god I'm on Latham's side on this? Need to go slit wrists... Do you really hate me so much you have to slit your wrists for agreeing with me? =( I always valued your feedback concerning the VN/LN discussions on here ( ノ;∀; )ノ
Uta -> （ ・∀・）[＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝ (ι´Д｀) <--Latham
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Might have mixed you up with someone else then <_<
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Southlight, Br called me a soft cute ;_;
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On June 04 2011 02:09 Southlight wrote:
何で俺に振るのΣ(T□T)
8:59 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: Amane might as well be a guy
9:00 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: >.<" Amane is heresy to yuri
9:00 AM BrTarolg: lol
9:01 AM BrTarolg: whats the name for lesbians that only like other cute soft girls
9:01 AM BrTarolg: and are cute soft themselves
9:01 AM BrTarolg: youa re one of those
9:02 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: i forget what they are called
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On June 04 2011 01:50 Latham wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Well, I finished both seasons of Haruhi. This is probably the very first anime in my life that I don't get the appeal of. Usually I can understand why people like it, or at least look at it from their point of view, but this time I really can't. Aside from the great animation on KyoAni's part, I feel this show is just barely above average.
1) Sure there are funny parts, but to me, there aren't either enough of them or they aren't funny enough.
2) While Haruhi does have her charm and certainly looks, I grew tired of her after 20+ episodes. In the end, after of watching 2 seasons, Nagato Yuki became my favourite MC member. Esper boy was just too laid back and creepy, time traveller girl was too much of a cry baby over the course of all the episodes combined, and I pitied the protag for being a slave.
3) The story goes really nowhere. I know this isn't really an argument since Lucky Star didn't really have a story either, but in Haruhi it somehow felt much worse. It's just a story about an eccentric girl becomeing God and always doing as she pleases and everyone too afraid to do anything because of the fear the world would implode.
4) The music and voice actors were good. I rarely find audio parts I don't like, so no complaints there.
5) The show is centred around Haruhi too much. I may be stepping out of line here, but I think it would have been more interesting with some more info/action about espers/aliens/time travellers.
6) I know people say the 2nd season is crap, but endless 8 and movie production episodes felt like such a copout and a waste of time ;/
On March 20 2011 00:12 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 19:51 rabidch wrote:On March 19 2011 13:17 Khaymus wrote:
Finally got around to watching the Haruhi Suzumiya movie. What a treat!
Makes up for the horror that was the endless 8! Trying to keep up with all the time travel(even though technically it only happens two times) / time stop / craziness is pretty tough...but is defiantly worth it.
I am really tempted to pickup the novels and read some of the stuff that I am missing out on from the anime/movies. Any thoughts? thanks to madoka delays looks like a friend(s) and i will be watching this i know what happens ahead in the novels, but it seems i dont particularly prize haruhi for its story It's all right. The series is more or less about Kyon's sexy voice anyway.
On May 27 2011 04:09 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 02:56 Latham wrote:
Since you guys enlightened me and told me Haruhi was a comedy, I've started watching it. I think it's good, but I still don't get why it's so popular or why people love it so much. I guess from the posts I read at other places, I expected it to live up to all the hype and attention it was getting. Haruhi is quite the fun type of a person and is a natural protagonist, I guess.
I also got around to playing ef (the visual novel). I'm not very deep into it yet (roughly 2-3h), but it feels good. The animated speeches and voices are a welcome sight for me since the last VN I played (FSN) had neither. The story is believable, and honestly I'm happy there are no aliens or anything like that in it (yet). The pacing of the story is good, the music and SF are great, and the VN does have a sort of "magic" around it. I can see why people enjoy it. The series is more or less about Kyon's sexy voice. Sugita Tomokazu is all that matters.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T LISTEN TO FERROSE.
Haruhi season 1 is awesome. Season 2 is just : |. And the movie is extremely good. Definitely watch the movie.
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On June 04 2011 02:13 Ferrose wrote:
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T LISTEN TO FERROSE.
Haruhi season 1 is awesome. Season 2 is just : |. And the movie is extremely good. Definitely watch the movie.
<Ferrose> I love me some pregnant women
This is what happens when you listen to Ferrose.
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On June 04 2011 02:12 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +8:59 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: Amane might as well be a guy
9:00 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: >.<" Amane is heresy to yuri
9:00 AM BrTarolg: lol
9:01 AM BrTarolg: whats the name for lesbians that only like other cute soft girls
9:01 AM BrTarolg: and are cute soft themselves
9:01 AM BrTarolg: youa re one of those
9:02 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: i forget what they are called
He also called you a girl.
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On June 04 2011 02:21 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:12 Blasterion wrote:On June 04 2011 02:09 Southlight wrote:
何で俺に振るのΣ(T□T) 8:59 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: Amane might as well be a guy
9:00 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: >.<" Amane is heresy to yuri
9:00 AM BrTarolg: lol
9:01 AM BrTarolg: whats the name for lesbians that only like other cute soft girls
9:01 AM BrTarolg: and are cute soft themselves
9:01 AM BrTarolg: youa re one of those
9:02 AM BlasterionLAPTOP: i forget what they are called He also called you a girl.
With how much Blasterion loves yuri, I don't think he'd mind. 
On June 04 2011 02:21 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:13 Ferrose wrote:
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DON'T LISTEN TO FERROSE.
Haruhi season 1 is awesome. Season 2 is just : |. And the movie is extremely good. Definitely watch the movie. This is what happens when you listen to Ferrose.
What, you develop a fetish for pregnant lolis?
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On June 04 2011 01:50 Latham wrote:
Well, I finished both seasons of Haruhi. This is probably the very first anime in my life that I don't get the appeal of. Usually I can understand why people like it, or at least look at it from their point of view, but this time I really can't. Aside from the great animation on KyoAni's part, I feel this show is just barely above average.
1) Sure there are funny parts, but to me, there aren't either enough of them or they aren't funny enough.
2) While Haruhi does have her charm and certainly looks, I grew tired of her after 20+ episodes. In the end, after of watching 2 seasons, Nagato Yuki became my favourite MC member. Esper boy was just too laid back and creepy, time traveller girl was too much of a cry baby over the course of all the episodes combined, and I pitied the protag for being a slave.
3) The story goes really nowhere. I know this isn't really an argument since Lucky Star didn't really have a story either, but in Haruhi it somehow felt much worse. It's just a story about an eccentric girl becomeing God and always doing as she pleases and everyone too afraid to do anything because of the fear the world would implode.
4) The music and voice actors were good. I rarely find audio parts I don't like, so no complaints there.
5) The show is centred around Haruhi too much. I may be stepping out of line here, but I think it would have been more interesting with some more info/action about espers/aliens/time travellers.
6) I know people say the 2nd season is crap, but endless 8 and movie production episodes felt like such a copout and a waste of time ;/
So here's the reason season 1 is brilliant:
Haruhi season 1 is at its root a parody of anime. The show spoofs a variety of different genres (not just shows, genres), and manages to do so in a way that is both entertaining and actually makes sense.
Consider how varied the episodes are. There's a sports episode, a murder mystery episode, a crazy fight scene episode, a romance episode, a space battle episode, a random fanservice episode, a concert episode, a beach episode etc. That's a ton of genres just mashed into one place. And yet the show makes all of those disparate episodes fit together, and fit together in ways that spoof convention.
Just some examples (spoilers):
+ Show Spoiler +There's a huge space battle scene, but it's absurd because the battle is meaningless and part of a video game. Yet the battle is still better done and more entertaining than any battle in LoGH which it is clearly parodying.
The beach episode is not light hearted fun (well, sort of), but Kyon worrying about whether someone will be killed. And the fanservice is good anyway.
The kiss episode is a totally absurd kiss scene, complete with one of the most ridiculous non-romantic kiss lines I've ever heard. And then the kiss is "all a dream" (well, not really but whatever). Yet it's still a great scene.
Mikuru gets falls on someone and gets her boob touched. This is like the stereotypical scene where the MC falls on the girl's boob except that in Haruhi it is entirely deliberate so the computer president can be blackmailed.
The first episode is a parody of Haruhi itself, with Yuki as alien, Mikuru as time traveler, Koizumi as Esper, Haruhi as director and Kyon as narrator.
The theme in these examples is that Haruhi takes the conventional scene, twists it on its head, and makes it better. It's extremely clever and (imo) hilarious. Perhaps the most remarkable part of the show is that it's a parody show which stands on its own even if you don't get the jokes. Even if you miss all the references, and all the genre warping, the show is good enough to still be entertaining. How many comedies would still be worth watching even if you missed all the jokes?
The characters are also great and more detailed than they appear on the surface. They do develop over the course of the show, even Mikuru. That real story is how all the characters change over time; how Haruhi and Kyon help each other realize that life is more exiting than either of them think.
And the movie is also excellent.
/fanboy rant
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Haruhi LoGH parody better than LoGH itself?
I kindly disagree.
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There's a huge space battle scene, but it's absurd because the battle is meaningless and part of a video game. Yet the battle is still better done and more entertaining than any battle in LoGH which it is clearly parodying. What the hell am I reading?
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On June 04 2011 02:29 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +There's a huge space battle scene, but it's absurd because the battle is meaningless and part of a video game. Yet the battle is still better done and more entertaining than any battle in LoGH which it is clearly parodying. What the hell am I reading?
That looks like garbage trying to defend an over-hyped show.
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On June 04 2011 01:50 Latham wrote:
Well, I finished both seasons of Haruhi. This is probably the very first anime in my life that I don't get the appeal of. Usually I can understand why people like it, or at least look at it from their point of view, but this time I really can't. Aside from the great animation on KyoAni's part, I feel this show is just barely above average.
1) Sure there are funny parts, but to me, there aren't either enough of them or they aren't funny enough.
2) While Haruhi does have her charm and certainly looks, I grew tired of her after 20+ episodes. In the end, after of watching 2 seasons, Nagato Yuki became my favourite MC member. Esper boy was just too laid back and creepy, time traveller girl was too much of a cry baby over the course of all the episodes combined, and I pitied the protag for being a slave.
3) The story goes really nowhere. I know this isn't really an argument since Lucky Star didn't really have a story either, but in Haruhi it somehow felt much worse. It's just a story about an eccentric girl becomeing God and always doing as she pleases and everyone too afraid to do anything because of the fear the world would implode.
4) The music and voice actors were good. I rarely find audio parts I don't like, so no complaints there.
5) The show is centred around Haruhi too much. I may be stepping out of line here, but I think it would have been more interesting with some more info/action about espers/aliens/time travellers.
6) I know people say the 2nd season is crap, but endless 8 and movie production episodes felt like such a copout and a waste of time ;/
Hmn, let's see.
+ Show Spoiler +1. I don't think Haruhi is a comedy. It's genre savvy, but you're right in that it's not really funny.
2. Yuki is boring and bland, but thrives on the implication of being interesting, which makes her a fan favorite.
3. Yup, that's about it. It is a slice-of-life after all, in that it truly slices Kyon and Haruhi's life.
4. Supah Doraiba Toshi
5. Again, there's a lot of implication here and it should probably stay that way.
6. I like Endless Eight. I should rewatch it because I have a hard time articulating why I like it.
On June 04 2011 02:01 Sentenal wrote:
Haruhi got popular because of the first season. You just had 12 episodes there, which were airred out of order, which let the audience constantly trying to piece things together, and created a more mysterious and unique feel for the anime. Most of the first season was pretty good, and the Melancholy part was 6 episodes with a direction and flow to the plot, and a decent enough conclusion. Most people hate season 2, for very good reason. However, the Movie is really good, so be sure to watch it.
I will agree that Haruhi, and the Haruhi Movie, are very overrated. But they are still good shows in their own right.
I made a chart about the first season, whee.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ihdUO.png)
I think the Haruhi movie is amazingly awesome because of the creativity within the limits the production staff takes. It's not an animated novel, it truly is a movie that stands on its own feet and abuses the strength of the visual medium. More animation studios should follow that example.
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On June 04 2011 02:27 Ferrose wrote:
Haruhi LoGH parody better than LoGH itself?
I kindly disagree.
The battle was more entertaining.
Dude, the LoGH battles were soooo dull, christ.
I'm not saying Haruhi's 5 minute joke battle was better than the whole show, but I thought the overly ponderous nonsense fights in LoGH were one of the weakest parts of the show.
Edit - honestly, the LoGH fanboyism in this thread is ridiculous sometimes (yes, this is hypocritical considering I just wrote a fanboy post). LoGH battles were two shapes whacking against each other with retarded tactics and arbitrary victories. There is no reason to watch that for half an hour.
Yay total thread derail. x_x
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On June 04 2011 02:31 triangle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:27 Ferrose wrote:
Haruhi LoGH parody better than LoGH itself?
I kindly disagree. The battle was more entertaining. Dude, the LoGH battles were soooo dull, christ. I'm not saying Haruhi's 5 minute joke battle was better than the whole show, but I thought the overly ponderous nonsense fights in LoGH were one of the weakest parts of the show.
The battles and stuff were one of the shows strengths. In my very humble opinion, you are either trolling or crazy.
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On June 04 2011 02:31 triangle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:27 Ferrose wrote:
Haruhi LoGH parody better than LoGH itself?
I kindly disagree. The battle was more entertaining. Dude, the LoGH battles were soooo dull, christ. I'm not saying Haruhi's 5 minute joke battle was better than the whole show, but I thought the overly ponderous nonsense fights in LoGH were one of the weakest parts of the show.
triangle, how do you find strategy and special tactics to be boring?
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On June 04 2011 02:31 triangle wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2011 02:27 Ferrose wrote:
Haruhi LoGH parody better than LoGH itself?
I kindly disagree. The battle was more entertaining. Dude, the LoGH battles were soooo dull, christ. I'm not saying Haruhi's 5 minute joke battle was better than the whole show, but I thought the overly ponderous nonsense fights in LoGH were one of the weakest parts of the show. Edit - honestly, the LoGH fanboyism in this thread is ridiculous sometimes (yes, this is hypocritical considering I just wrote a fanboy post). LoGH battles were two shapes whacking against each other with retarded tactics and arbitrary victories. There is no reason to watch that for half an hour.
Yeah man I agree here the taktiks and strategems in code geass are so much better.
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