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On November 18 2014 01:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Forikorder logic: it's ok to torture and make a significant amount of people slaves because you could do all that and be much worse.
Most people would prefer it if their loved ones aren't forgotten and suffering, not to mention that the people of the dressrosa island aren't living happy carefree lives anyways. Why make false comparisons? And then there is your assumption that your moral outlook trumps other peoples view of morality.
i didnt say it was OK but isnt it slightly better to at least have the population not be living in total fear?
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Isn't it better to remember your loved ones as opposed to having them wiped completely from your life and memory?
Shitty things happen to people. When loved ones pass away, for example, it sucks, but I certainly wouldn't trade away being sad for not having them even exist to me for all intents and purposes.
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On November 18 2014 00:37 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 22:36 shell wrote:
All of that is true but his evil plans are much "worse" then just killing..
The thing is he constantly makes pleople into toy slaves that are forgotten by their own families and make them work for the rest of their lifes.
What can be worse? You constantly see your family members, might even talk to them but they won't remember your or even miss you.
How can someone that does this and makes all of what we saw be considered a honorable person because he likes and protects his "family" ?
That's also why DD has this charm, he is smart, very strong, eloquent and at the same time a ruthless killer capable of everything even ordering the death of his "beloved" family
he kills, cheats, steals, lies, enslaves, conspires.. etc.. etc..
For sure the best Villan up until now, BB and Kizaru might be stronger and killed Ace but for sure this guy deserves it even more making a small portion of the population slaves while the rest live happy carefree lives is better then having a small portion of the population slaves while the rest of the population live in constant fear
On November 18 2014 02:59 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2014 01:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Forikorder logic: it's ok to torture and make a significant amount of people slaves because you could do all that and be much worse.
Most people would prefer it if their loved ones aren't forgotten and suffering, not to mention that the people of the dressrosa island aren't living happy carefree lives anyways. Why make false comparisons? And then there is your assumption that your moral outlook trumps other peoples view of morality. i didnt say it was OK but isnt it slightly better to at least have the population not be living in total fear?
So WHAT EXACTLY are you saying?
Yeah sure killing 1 random person is better than kiling 2 random people. What's your point then? Why do you even quote people if you ignore what you have written in the next post. What does anything you just said connect to anything you say next? How do you make any sense at all other than just writing a series of disconnected statements? How does one statement from you connect with the other? Because according to you, it doesn't and we can happily discuss anything you say in complete isolation of what you said previously. In which case, why do you bother typing anything at all?
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Guys, it's next to impossible to weigh human lives or human fates against each other.
That's a real delicate topic. Actually it's out of a group of moral/ethical topics.
If you had the choice between being killed, or have everyone except you killed? Is rape worse than murder?
Are the lifes of children worth more than the lifes of adults? Is it more humane to let someone slowly starve or would it be right to mercy kill him?
Stuff like that is outside of what people can be expected to judge. So how about you all stop trying to decide whether it's better to have one horrible thing happen to you, or have another terrible thing happen to you.
Could we maybe concentrate more on whether or not you can be honorable if you treat horribly those you consider enemies? I think that is more the question here, rather than what exact crimes are more horrible than others.
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Honestly, that was what I was trying to get at with my discussion. I'm not justifying torturing kids or anything because they are spoiled and bratty, just saying these people themselves were fucked at the hands of tenryubitto in the past, so their hatred towards the DD family was understandable. Sure even if DD is a completely dick he didn't deserve to go through the suffering he did as a child, but it does not justify his actions later on in his life. As someone already pointed out, he's very similar to how Hitler was.
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We're back in action boys!
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manga back to wednesdays <3 it just didn't feel right on thursdays.
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Awful. If Law takes out Doflamingo im going to start losing patience with this manga. Seriously, when was the last Time Luffy took down a truly worthy adversary? some would argue he hasnt really been truly tested (without losing) since ROB LUCCI, and that was like a decade ago? Now we have this perfect opportunity with Doffy, a highly hyped and anticipated adversary and Oda is gonna let Law steal the glory.
Seriously Oda have you forgotten that some of us still care about our main character?
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um, I only have 2 pages?
can we please, please talk in spoilers at least? q_q
E: actually it was only 2 pages that were off
wtf i guess
E: ok i have a question, also, epic chapter btw
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mohHvV3.png) who is hyaku??
On November 19 2014 21:05 sc2holar wrote:
Awful. If Law takes out Doflamingo im going to start losing patience with this manga. Seriously, when was the last Time Luffy took down a truly worthy adversary? some would argue he hasnt really been truly tested (without losing) since ROB LUCCI, and that was like a decade ago? Now we have this perfect opportunity with Doffy, a highly hyped and anticipated adversary and Oda is gonna let Law steal the glory.
Seriously Oda have you forgotten that some of us still care about our main character?
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is doflamingo defeated? nah he's not, so you aren't quite allowed to complain yet. law isn't fodder either you know
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edit: double post, can i get this post deleted please?
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"hyaku" is just a common phrase that panda forgot to translate.
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On November 19 2014 21:06 Incognoto wrote:um, I only have 2 pages? can we please, please talk in spoilers at least? q_q E: actually it was only 2 pages that were off wtf i guess E: ok i have a question, also, epic chapter btw + Show Spoiler +who is hyaku?? Show nested quote +On November 19 2014 21:05 sc2holar wrote:
Awful. If Law takes out Doflamingo im going to start losing patience with this manga. Seriously, when was the last Time Luffy took down a truly worthy adversary? some would argue he hasnt really been truly tested (without losing) since ROB LUCCI, and that was like a decade ago? Now we have this perfect opportunity with Doffy, a highly hyped and anticipated adversary and Oda is gonna let Law steal the glory.
Seriously Oda have you forgotten that some of us still care about our main character? .... is doflamingo defeated? nah he's not, so you aren't quite allowed to complain yet. law isn't fodder either you know
thats why i started my post with "If". And its not about Law being strong or not. Its about the series main character being completley useless and sidetracked at every turn in this arc so far.
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On November 19 2014 21:27 sc2holar wrote:
"hyaku" is just a common phrase that panda forgot to translate.
rather than forgot, it's pretty obvious they either ran it through machine translation or are just retarded.
the phrase is 百も承知 which got translated to "knew very well," which is passable by itself. But for some reason 百 (hyaku) was ALSO interpreted as a name which is why they end up translating it as "Corasan, Hyaku, they..." (also wtf I just realized they read/translated Cora-san to Corasan...) The phrasing and use of "they" indicates it's a completely retarded translation. If for whatever reason, there was a person named hyaku, it might make sense to read it like that upon seeing コラさんも百も but as soon as 承知 is read next, anyone with a brain would know it's wrong.
Actually I ran it through google translate and it gives a better translation than mangapanda, so I assume they are just retarded.
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On November 19 2014 21:47 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2014 21:27 sc2holar wrote:
"hyaku" is just a common phrase that panda forgot to translate. rather than forgot, it's pretty obvious they either ran it through machine translation or are just retarded. the phrase is 百も承知 which got translated to "knew very well," which is passable by itself. But for some reason 百 (hyaku) was ALSO interpreted as a name which is why they end up translating it as "Corasan, Hyaku, they..." (also wtf I just realized they read/translated Cora-san to Corasan...) The phrasing and use of "they" indicates it's a completely retarded translation. If for whatever reason, there was a person named hyaku, it might make sense to read it like that upon seeing コラさんも百も but as soon as 承知 is read next, anyone with a brain would know it's wrong. Actually I ran it through google translate and it gives a better translation than mangapanda, so I assume they are just retarded.
I think it is known that mangapanda isn't the best translation site. It's just the fastest.
Would you be so kind and tell us what these things actually mean?
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On November 19 2014 21:30 sc2holar wrote:
thats why i started my post with "If". And its not about Law being strong or not. Its about the series main character being completley useless and sidetracked at every turn in this arc so far.
Doesn't that happen almost all the time though? :p
Luffy is a dumbass, he'll get his chance to fight, don't worry. I see him more as the trump card (wow just realized that Robin said the exact same thing, <3 Robin) that hasn't been played yet. Luffy is a trump card in that he does indeed get easily side-tracked, but once he's in front of the person whose ass he must kick, that's where he does well.
Just look at how hard he tries to find Crocodile, Enel, Lucci and Moria. He spends half of those arcs running around trying to find his opponent. Actually, we can say that the exact same thing just happened here in Dressrosa.
@KazeHydra, that was very insightful, thanks.
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Nice to see Law kicking ass! Doflamingo hasn't even started using his overheat yet though so I fear that Law's upper hand is going to be cut short.
Also we learn something about D? I think it's quite indicative that Doflamingo shows fear at the name.
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Finally we get to see the overall picture of the battle for dressrosa.
I think that Sabo will have a big impact!
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On November 19 2014 22:53 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2014 21:47 KazeHydra wrote:On November 19 2014 21:27 sc2holar wrote:
"hyaku" is just a common phrase that panda forgot to translate. rather than forgot, it's pretty obvious they either ran it through machine translation or are just retarded. the phrase is 百も承知 which got translated to "knew very well," which is passable by itself. But for some reason 百 (hyaku) was ALSO interpreted as a name which is why they end up translating it as "Corasan, Hyaku, they..." (also wtf I just realized they read/translated Cora-san to Corasan...) The phrasing and use of "they" indicates it's a completely retarded translation. If for whatever reason, there was a person named hyaku, it might make sense to read it like that upon seeing コラさんも百も but as soon as 承知 is read next, anyone with a brain would know it's wrong. Actually I ran it through google translate and it gives a better translation than mangapanda, so I assume they are just retarded. I think it is known that mangapanda isn't the best translation site. It's just the fastest. Would you be so kind and tell us what these things actually mean?
Sure
コラさん = Cora-san (or just Cora, since -san is probably the least important honorific to attempt to translate) while も, in this context, literally means "also." コラさんも = "Cora also"
百も承知 is an expression that means "knowing all too well," such as "I know all too well what it's like to be 4 pooled."
百 (hyaku) by itself is the kanji for the number 100. If you were to read this as a name, 百も would have the same meaning as コラさんも, "Hyaku also," but this makes no sense in context, as it's the first half of an expression, not a name. Which is why it's really strange that mangapanda translated it both as a name and also as part of the expression.
together, the entire line was コラさんも百も承知, so literally, "Cora-san also knew all too well," though an actual translation might be something like "Even Cora had no choice but to admit that."
I generally try to find raws when mangapanda does something really weird (like that one horrendous translation a couple months ago) but I'm too lazy to spend more than a couple minutes looking. Luckily, I found it this time fairly easily.
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Senor Pink defending a kitten from Franky's attacks. That's amazing.
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