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evilfatsh1t
Australia8942 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On November 16 2014 15:10 Forikorder wrote: so what your saying is that if you turn off your brain and only go by the book, its a bad system (since the writers would know noone would do it like that) but if you treated it more like a spectrum then its a fine system like exactly what i said earileir If you, Forikorder, treat it like a spectrum, sure fine whatever, your alignment system can work, IDK. But the actual alignment system as it is in the DnD source is restrictive, stupid, and unable to accurately represent any realistic character. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 16 2014 15:16 Sentenal wrote: If you, Forikorder, treat it like a spectrum, sure fine whatever, your alignment system can work, IDK. But the actual alignment system as it is in the DnD source is restrictive, stupid, and unable to accurately represent any realistic character. its not supposed to it jsut lists traits of charcters of each alignment then whatever your character is closes to is your alignment | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 16 2014 15:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: these discussions are so stupid. and it happens so damn much. i see myself asking why im subscribed to this thread every day. pls stop The fact that we have these discussions at all mean that Oda is excellent at making characters who aren't black and white, as I see it. For all the terrible things DD has done, you have to realize that terrible things also happened to him. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On November 16 2014 17:46 Incognoto wrote: The fact that we have these discussions at all mean that Oda is excellent at making characters who aren't black and white, as I see it. For all the terrible things DD has done, you have to realize that terrible things also happened to him. DD is one of my favorite characters, but you have to admit, DD has done horrific things that FAR outweigh what was done to him as a kid. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 16 2014 18:18 Dreamer.T wrote: DD is one of my favorite characters, but you have to admit, DD has done horrific things that FAR outweigh what was done to him as a kid. I don't know. Hanging up and torturing / mutilating a kid for no reason doesn't seem as bad patricide, I guess. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On November 16 2014 18:36 Incognoto wrote: I don't know. Hanging up and torturing / mutilating a kid for no reason doesn't seem as bad patricide, I guess. Yeah, and then DD in turn exacts his vengeance on countless islands full of innocent civilians. Him killing a vastly larger amount of people just because of what happened in his childhood is arguably a lot worst. In fact, DD was basically a tenryubitto trash kid, so you can't really blame the villagers for hating them even though only DD was truly like the tenryubitto they despised. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 16 2014 18:50 Dreamer.T wrote: Yeah, and then DD in turn exacts his vengeance on countless islands full of innocent civilians. Him killing a vastly larger amount of people just because of what happened in his childhood is arguably a lot worst. In fact, DD was basically a tenryubitto trash kid, so you can't really blame the villagers for hating them even though only DD was truly like the tenryubitto they despised. I still believe that torturing a child is worst than slaughtering innocents, though I guess there's not much sense in comparing two horrible crimes anyway. DD being a Celestial Dragon doesn't change things though, a kid is a kid, DD hadn't done anything in particular against those people besides being a celestial dragon. His crime was being born a celestial dragon, which is arguably as stupid a crime as Robin's existence. I feel for DD, even if obviously his actions can't be condoned. | ||
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
On November 16 2014 19:05 Incognoto wrote: I still believe that torturing a child is worst than slaughtering innocents, though I guess there's not much sense in comparing two horrible crimes anyway. DD being a Celestial Dragon doesn't change things though, a kid is a kid, DD hadn't done anything in particular against those people besides being a celestial dragon. His crime was being born a celestial dragon, which is arguably as stupid a crime as Robin's existence. I feel for DD, even if obviously his actions can't be condoned. True he was a kid, but judging by how his parents and his brother were, it definitely looked like he is an innately messed up child. He's like the opposite of Sabo. Where as sabo had the typical disgusting CD parent and turned out to be a moral person, Dofla is the opposite. His brother even said so. While child torture and the murder of large amounts of people are both bad, you just can't weigh the former as a heavier crime than the later since the later also involves possible torture of children. | ||
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Mensol
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Dragon Claw is sicko technique. | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
And somehow i can understand why he hates what he hates. Of course he is still kind of a massive asshole, but it is a bit understandable... Also i wonder what happens with laws crew IF law dies in this arc(which i kinda doubt) edit: Also had to laugh at sabos "dragon" techniques  . And i am already hyped for how strong sabo will get with the mera mera no mi. Have been waiting a long time for a chracter who is already a physical beast AND has logia powers. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 16 2014 18:18 Dreamer.T wrote: DD is one of my favorite characters, but you have to admit, DD has done horrific things that FAR outweigh what was done to him as a kid. your thinking of things like some sort of scale, if X things were done to you as a kid you can do X things to make up for it DD was put through some terrible shit as a kid that completely warped his personality and traumatized him that made it easier for him to become the twisted adult he is now he was raised to think normal people were less important then him, he was tortured by those normal people its not wierd that he has no problem doing terrible things to them now its not right, but its not wierd that h does | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On November 17 2014 00:41 Forikorder wrote: your thinking of things like some sort of scale, if X things were done to you as a kid you can do X things to make up for it DD was put through some terrible shit as a kid that completely warped his personality and traumatized him that made it easier for him to become the twisted adult he is now he was raised to think normal people were less important then him, he was tortured by those normal people its not wierd that he has no problem doing terrible things to them now its not right, but its not wierd that h does agreed. It is not surprising at all that a kid that is chased down by a group pf people constantly and is tortured close to death would seek revenge. And the breaking point was probably when the other tenryuubito denied him and also wanted him dead edit: What do you guys think of doflamingos glasses? Do you think there is something special underneath them? Or is it just style? I am pretty curious about his face without sunglasses. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On November 16 2014 18:50 Dreamer.T wrote: Yeah, and then DD in turn exacts his vengeance on countless islands full of innocent civilians. Him killing a vastly larger amount of people just because of what happened in his childhood is arguably a lot worst. In fact, DD was basically a tenryubitto trash kid, so you can't really blame the villagers for hating them even though only DD was truly like the tenryubitto they despised. You might wanna rephrase that as it sounds as if being a bratty spoiled kid is enough of a crime so that he deserves to be punished beyond the scope of parenting/education. Being publicly tortured is definitely not a way to treat people that are basically just misbehaving. What Tenryubito do when they have the power to do as they please is a whole other thing than what they are able to do without personal guards and marine officers around. | ||
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Eshra
France1009 Posts
On November 17 2014 00:24 Bam Lee wrote: I just cant believe how awesome of a character DD is. I mean yes he is pictured as THE evil, but somehow for me personally it is hard to simply hate him like you would hate a simple villain. Looking at his past, looking at the way he treats his "family"(like his interaction with picas voice), everything is not just black and white. And somehow i can understand why he hates what he hates. Of course he is still kind of a massive asshole, but it is a bit understandable... Also i wonder what happens with laws crew IF law dies in this arc(which i kinda doubt) edit: Also had to laugh at sabos "dragon" techniques . And i am already hyped for how strong sabo will get with the mera mera no mi. Have been waiting a long time for a chracter who is already a physical beast AND has logia powers.Well, that is what a great villain is made of. Having a dude you can only hate because he has no likeable traits at all just suck. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
The thing is he constantly makes people into toy slaves that are forgotten by their own families and make them work for the rest of their lifes. What can be worse? You constantly see your family members, might even talk to them but they won't remember you or even miss you. How can someone that does this and makes all of what we saw be considered a honorable person because he likes and protects his "family" ? That's also why DD has this charm, he is smart, very strong, eloquent and at the same time a ruthless killer capable of everything even ordering the death of his "beloved" family he kills, cheats, steals, lies, enslaves, conspires.. etc.. etc.. For sure the best Villan up until now, BB and Kizaru might be stronger and killed Ace but for sure this guy deserves it even more | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 17 2014 22:36 shell wrote: All of that is true but his evil plans are much "worse" then just killing.. The thing is he constantly makes pleople into toy slaves that are forgotten by their own families and make them work for the rest of their lifes. What can be worse? You constantly see your family members, might even talk to them but they won't remember your or even miss you. How can someone that does this and makes all of what we saw be considered a honorable person because he likes and protects his "family" ? That's also why DD has this charm, he is smart, very strong, eloquent and at the same time a ruthless killer capable of everything even ordering the death of his "beloved" family he kills, cheats, steals, lies, enslaves, conspires.. etc.. etc.. For sure the best Villan up until now, BB and Kizaru might be stronger and killed Ace but for sure this guy deserves it even more making a small portion of the population slaves while the rest live happy carefree lives is better then having a small portion of the population slaves while the rest of the population live in constant fear | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Most people would prefer it if their loved ones aren't forgotten and suffering, not to mention that the people of the dressrosa island aren't living happy carefree lives anyways. Why make false comparisons? And then there is your assumption that your moral outlook trumps other peoples view of morality. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
On November 18 2014 00:37 Forikorder wrote: making a small portion of the population slaves while the rest live happy carefree lives is better then having a small portion of the population slaves while the rest of the population live in constant fear That's what Hitler tought and he tried to make it happen! Same with Mao, Stalin etc.. I'm glad you don't rule anything or else people would be in deep shit! They are happy because they can't remember their parents, sons, wifes were taken away from them. Next time you will say that it's better to not even be born because life is tought and you might suffer! | ||
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