EPTIt's useless to compare manga to literature because if you wrote all the words in One Piece down you're not going to understand whats happening because manga relies on pictures.
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Zambrah
United States7355 Posts
It's useless to compare manga to literature because if you wrote all the words in One Piece down you're not going to understand whats happening because manga relies on pictures. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 25 2019 00:39 Dangermousecatdog wrote: One Piece is a great Shounen, but only by the standards of shounen. It's literary techniques is poor and often childish. So, like Harry Potter's. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 25 2019 23:16 Salteador Neo wrote: I'm 100% convinced One Piece tells a better story than Discoworld, because I couldn't even bother finish the first book while I stuck with OP for years The first book of Discworld isn't the best. Usually people recommend to start with 'Guards! Guards!', 'Mort' or 'Small Gods'. I do agree that 'One Piece' doesn't fit the mold of literature (not that it's a particularly desirable mold to fit into). Literary merit is a bit of a fuzzy thing to find in manga, but people probably would label stuff like Tezuka's Phoenix as the more literary manga. Mainstream shonen is as far as it gets from it. Though I have no idea why you'd consider popular fiction like Harry Potter (which definitely has no literary merit) as different from One Piece. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
My theory is that SAD is basically animal DNA/spirit juice. Caesar did a lot of experiments on punk hazard with animals (replacing body parts with animal body parts) so I think he definitely has a supply of them somewhere. The idea is that the animals are melted down for their genetic material, or, perhaps their "spiritual essence" which then gets absorbed into special fruits grown by the tontattas - becoming psuedo devil fruits. Therefore, depending on what exactly SAD is, I guess devil fruits are essentially the same thing. If SAD is spirits of dead animals, I guess devil fruits could be spirits of dead people? Many people have had this theory already. Another alternative is that if SAD is DNA then real devil fruits could just be genetically modified fruits made by the ancient kingdom or something. Dr. Vegapunk's research into the lineage factor supports this. However, there is clearly a metaphysical aspect to devil fruits since only the first person that eats them gets the power and after the user's death the power moves to another fruit. Maybe it's a combination of both? I think this is where the adverse effect of SMILEs comes from. If you look back at all the gifters, it seems like not all of them merge 100% successfully with their respective animal - that Hippo dude being the most obvious example. So while real devil fruits successfully merge two spirits that they become one being, artificial ones sometimes work but mostly fuck up. I believe the way SMILE functions is that half of the creature spirit / DNA is combined with half of the human. The other half gets erased or is locked away or something. And since not all of the fruits are able to transfer over the animal half to the human, the defective fruits just erode the human's negative aspects (Yin) and nothing is there to fill the gap, turning the person into full Yang. This results in only half of their spirit surviving, which leads to them only being able to laugh and not cry. What do you guys think? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 25 2019 23:16 Salteador Neo wrote: I'm 100% convinced One Piece tells a better story than Discoworld, because I couldn't even bother finish the first book while I stuck with OP for years I don't think someone who cannot finish a book should comment literature worth. FYI there is a comic book version of The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic and as a "visual novel" is completely blows One Piece out of the water. Yes, just like Harry Potter. Take from that what you will. Neither are or will ever be recognised as great works of literature. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On May 28 2019 04:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I don't think someone who cannot finish a book should comment literature worth. FYI there is a comic book version of The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic and as a "visual novel" is completely blows One Piece out of the water. Yes, just like Harry Potter. Take from that what you will. Neither are or will ever be recognised as great works of literature. For what it's worth, I have read every book by Sanderson, GRR Martin, Rowling and maybe 25-30 more fantasy books including Abercrombie, Rothfuss, Sapkowski, Erikson, Lawrence, Cook, Weeks... I'm well prepared to comment on literature, specially fantasy. I couldn't finish a Discoworld book (or even read half of it) because it just didn't click for me. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 28 2019 04:49 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I don't think someone who cannot finish a book should comment literature worth. FYI there is a comic book version of The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic and as a "visual novel" is completely blows One Piece out of the water. Yes, just like Harry Potter. Take from that what you will. Neither are or will ever be recognised as great works of literature. Disagree. The Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic have awful plotting, rely heavily on tropes and parody, and don't even fit with the rest of the books. If they weren't the first two Discworld books they'd be considered to be some of the weakest novels in the series. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
geez lol okay. I'm not sure what loft standards you guys are at but I had a blast reading those books. | ||
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
On May 28 2019 18:19 Salteador Neo wrote: For what it's worth, I have read every book by Sanderson, GRR Martin, Rowling and maybe 25-30 more fantasy books including Abercrombie, Rothfuss, Sapkowski, Erikson, Lawrence, Cook, Weeks... I'm well prepared to comment on literature, specially fantasy. I couldn't finish a Discoworld book (or even read half of it) because it just didn't click for me. Agree read loads of fantasy and other books and one of the only books I remember not liking at all were discworld. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On May 29 2019 00:55 Incognoto wrote: Harry Potter sucks? geez lol okay. I'm not sure what loft standards you guys are at but I had a blast reading those books. It's objectively mediocre literature, popular appeal aside. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8695 Posts
this is no different to movie critics saying the avengers are "objectively bad films". who gives a shit when each movie makes over a billion and everyone finds entertainment in them anyway. | ||
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Ej_
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 29 2019 06:19 Sentenal wrote: I miss this thread when it had intelligent discussions, like "Enel is the strongest person in OP because he can get on a space ship and nuke people from orbit", "Crocodile is Luffy's mother", "Rokushiki is haki because Oda never said it was", and "Oda is wrong". ah the good old days | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8695 Posts
On May 29 2019 02:54 Ej_ wrote: avengers are fucking shit and people are fucking shit to finance that shit im sure the producers of the avengers are weeping at the thought of you talking shit about their movie while they count their money. just goes to show how irrelevant film/literature critics' opinions are tbh | ||
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Olli
Austria24420 Posts
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