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WolfintheSheep
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Bleach isn't a manga. It's a platform for Kubo's eventually rise to stardom in the fashion designing industry. | ||
Cirn9
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On March 29 2012 00:38 MooMooMugi wrote: The manga said he died using his bankai for the first time -_- And that he had mastered. Mastered it without using? Or did it just mean without using it in real combat. | ||
DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
It was explained that Sasakibe never used his bankai in fight before (I guess he is a coward or sth), Ichigo as a child of Human and Shinigami(there's probably more mystery here) had huuuuuuge power level (until he recieved combat pass) - no power level shit here. One of characters is a GIANT FOX? ITS A F****** MANGA! Characters transform into super saians and you are complaining about one guy being fox... Yes, souls can DIE. Yes, there are imba healing techniques, but Sasakibe died before anyone could heal him. No, Nel didn't die. She turned back to child form. If fullbring arc didn't exist, I would say that Bleach makes sense from start to finish. Fullbrings are kinda overstretched. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:35 DrGreen wrote: Ichigo beating Sasakibe in SS? It was explained that Sasakibe never used his bankai in fight before (I guess he is a coward or sth), Ichigo as a child of Human and Shinigami(there's probably more mystery here) had huuuuuuge power level (until he recieved combat pass) - no power level shit here. One of characters is a GIANT FOX? ITS A F****** MANGA! Characters transform into super saians and you are complaining about one guy being fox... Yes, souls can DIE. Yes, there are imba healing techniques, but Sasakibe died before anyone could heal him. No, Nel didn't die. She turned back to child form. If fullbring arc didn't exist, I would say that Bleach makes sense from start to finish. Fullbrings are kinda overstretched. Hiyori got chopped in half and managed to surviv long enough for someone to come heal her, what took so long for someoen to go heal sasakibe? | ||
DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:37 Forikorder wrote: Hiyori got chopped in half and managed to surviv long enough for someone to come heal her, what took so long for someoen to go heal sasakibe? New guys killed 103 shinigamis in 183 seconds. Sasakibe survived this assault and went to report to Yamamoto that those guys can steal bankais where he got stabbed with big fucking lance + Show Spoiler + ![]() Hyiori's vital organs weren't injured at all, when Sasakibe got pierced through his chest. edit: One interesting thing is: Is Yoruichi's cat form in real world a gigai or is it some shinigami ability (then do normal people see her?)? | ||
Kyuukyuu
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:35 DrGreen wrote: Ichigo beating Sasakibe in SS? It was explained that Sasakibe never used his bankai in fight before (I guess he is a coward or sth), Ichigo as a child of Human and Shinigami(there's probably more mystery here) had huuuuuuge power level (until he recieved combat pass) - no power level shit here. One of characters is a GIANT FOX? ITS A F****** MANGA! Characters transform into super saians and you are complaining about one guy being fox... Yes, souls can DIE. Yes, there are imba healing techniques, but Sasakibe died before anyone could heal him. No, Nel didn't die. She turned back to child form. If fullbring arc didn't exist, I would say that Bleach makes sense from start to finish. Fullbrings are kinda overstretched. ....Saiyans had an entire planet and were explained to be aliens pretty much as soon as they were introduced. That's fine. One random giant fox with no others in sight and no explanation EVER of wtf he came from is something else. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:46 DrGreen wrote: New guys killed 103 shinigamis in 183 seconds. Sasakibe survived this assault and went to report to Yamamoto that those guys can steal bankais where he got stabbed with big fucking lance + Show Spoiler + ![]() Hyiori's vital organs weren't injured at all, when Sasakibe got pierced through his chest. edit: One interesting thing is: Is Yoruichi's cat form in real world a gigai or is it some shinigami ability (then do normal people see her?)? no Sasakbe did not come to report to Yamamoto, if what you said was true then he would have never used his Bankai at all and wouldnt know of there ability, he fought them then they dragged him in to show him off Aand in what world is getting chopped in half less of a fatal wound then getting stabbed? | ||
DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On March 29 2012 09:59 Forikorder wrote: no Sasakbe did not come to report to Yamamoto, if what you said was true then he would have never used his Bankai at all and wouldnt know of there ability, he fought them then they dragged him in to show him off Aand in what world is getting chopped in half less of a fatal wound then getting stabbed? Probably you are right about Sasakibe being dragged to Yamamoto. But I'm not so sure. From this page it looks like he got stabbed while reporting to 1st captain. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Shinigami's vital organs are in stomach/chest area, cutting off hands/legs is meaningless. Hiyori got cut below most of the vital organs (I watched a video of guy who failed to suicide, being cut in half by a train, he survived) also she was healed few minutes later by the best shinigami healer out there. @ StorkHwaiting I wasnt talking about saiyans themselves, but about arrancar ressurections and stuff like that. btw "Komamura is an anthropomorphic wolf, though he is often mistaken for a dog." "Although it is currently unknown where Komamura originated, Yamamoto gave him the opportunity to join the Gotei 13 even though he wasn't Human." Juvia in Fairy Tail or the water sword kid in Naruto (Sasuke's friend) can transform they body into water, DAFUQ! explain. | ||
StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On March 29 2012 10:22 DrGreen wrote: Probably you are right about Sasakibe being dragged to Yamamoto. But I'm not so sure. From this page it looks like he got stabbed while reporting to 1st captain. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Shinigami's vital organs are in stomach/chest area, cutting off hands/legs is meaningless. Hiyori got cut below most of the vital organs (I watched a video of guy who failed to suicide, being cut in half by a train, he survived) also she was healed few minutes later by the best shinigami healer out there. @ StorkHwaiting I wasnt talking about saiyans themselves, but about arrancar ressurections and stuff like that. btw "Komamura is an anthropomorphic wolf, though he is often mistaken for a dog." "Although it is currently unknown where Komamura originated, Yamamoto gave him the opportunity to join the Gotei 13 even though he wasn't Human." Juvia in Fairy Tail or the water sword kid in Naruto (Sasuke's friend) can transform they body into water, DAFUQ! explain. You're being deliberately obtuse. I'm not going to bother responding again until you apply basic logic to your points. You haven't addressed a single aspect of what I brought up as a serious hole in Kubo's worldbuilding. Further, you specifically mentioned saiyans as some sort of proof that other mangas have gotten away with sloppy worldbuilding. Your example was invalid. Your next addendum to this point was to mention Arrancar ressurections. I have no clue how that relates to anything I've said. Distinguishing that Komamura has a wolf head, not a fox or dog head, does not explain why an otherwise human being has a wolf's head attached to his neck. My point, like you've just said, is that it is currently unknown where Komamura originated from. It is a problem that a character, who is so conspicuously different, has had no explanation of his origins whatsoever at this late a juncture in the manga series. I don't know anything about Fairy Tail but the mechanisms of jutsu, bloodline limits, and all related distortions of the physical laws of reality have been clearly outlined in Naruto. Komamura's wolf head has not. In short, please stop making nonsensical arguments that seem more like trolls than serious attempts at discussion. Or at least make them funny trolls. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 29 2012 10:22 DrGreen wrote: Probably you are right about Sasakibe being dragged to Yamamoto. But I'm not so sure. From this page it looks like he got stabbed while reporting to 1st captain. + Show Spoiler + ![]() Shinigami's vital organs are in stomach/chest area, cutting off hands/legs is meaningless. Hiyori got cut below most of the vital organs (I watched a video of guy who failed to suicide, being cut in half by a train, he survived) also she was healed few minutes later by the best shinigami healer out there. @ StorkHwaiting I wasnt talking about saiyans themselves, but about arrancar ressurections and stuff like that. btw "Komamura is an anthropomorphic wolf, though he is often mistaken for a dog." "Although it is currently unknown where Komamura originated, Yamamoto gave him the opportunity to join the Gotei 13 even though he wasn't Human." Juvia in Fairy Tail or the water sword kid in Naruto (Sasuke's friend) can transform they body into water, DAFUQ! explain. Juvia can turn into water becuase shes a water mage who has magic that turns her body into water Sasukes kappa friend can turn into water because he ahs a Kekkai Genkai that allows his body to turn into water Sasakibe was not reporting to Yamamoto becuase then he wouldnt ahve fought the intruders and wipped out his bankai to know that the invaders could destroy bankai, thats basic logic try using it sometime | ||
Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On March 29 2012 10:40 StorkHwaiting wrote: You're being deliberately obtuse. I'm not going to bother responding again until you apply basic logic to your points. You haven't addressed a single aspect of what I brought up as a serious hole in Kubo's worldbuilding. Further, you specifically mentioned saiyans as some sort of proof that other mangas have gotten away with sloppy worldbuilding. Your example was invalid. Your next addendum to this point was to mention Arrancar ressurections. I have no clue how that relates to anything I've said. Distinguishing that Komamura has a wolf head, not a fox or dog head, does not explain why an otherwise human being has a wolf's head attached to his neck. My point, like you've just said, is that it is currently unknown where Komamura originated from. It is a problem that a character, who is so conspicuously different, has had no explanation of his origins whatsoever at this late a juncture in the manga series. I don't know anything about Fairy Tail but the mechanisms of jutsu, bloodline limits, and all related distortions of the physical laws of reality have been clearly outlined in Naruto. Komamura's wolf head has not. In short, please stop making nonsensical arguments that seem more like trolls than serious attempts at discussion. Or at least make them funny trolls. So, you're saying dogs don't have souls??? | ||
DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On March 29 2012 10:40 StorkHwaiting wrote: 1 You're being deliberately obtuse. I'm not going to bother responding again until you apply basic logic to your points. You haven't addressed a single aspect of what I brought up as a serious hole in Kubo's worldbuilding. 2 Further, you specifically mentioned saiyans as some sort of proof that other mangas have gotten away with sloppy worldbuilding. Your example was invalid. Your next addendum to this point was to mention Arrancar ressurections. I have no clue how that relates to anything I've said. 3 Distinguishing that Komamura has a wolf head, not a fox or dog head, does not explain why an otherwise human being has a wolf's head attached to his neck. 4 My point, like you've just said, is that it is currently unknown where Komamura originated from. It is a problem that a character, who is so conspicuously different, has had no explanation of his origins whatsoever at this late a juncture in the manga series. 5 I don't know anything about Fairy Tail but the mechanisms of jutsu, bloodline limits, and all related distortions of the physical laws of reality have been clearly outlined in Naruto. Komamura's wolf head has not. 6 In short, please stop making nonsensical arguments that seem more like trolls than serious attempts at discussion. Or at least make them funny trolls. 1. You are saying that a guy with a 'fox head' is SERIOUS HOLE IN KUBO'S WORLDBUILDING. His origins may or may not be explained later in manga (probably when he dies). 2. I didn't mentio saiyans. I compared some super uber powers of characters in Bleach (like ressurections) to them (which i probably shouldn't cause I'm not into DBZ) eFFin Tousen turned into giant bug, how the hell could his body survive that?! 3. I was quoting bleach wikia. It wasn't supposed to be an explanation about his origins. 4. There are a lot of things in Bleach universe we don't know yet (e.g. Quincy stuff, Royal Guards etc), Captain Fox is a minor one. 5. It's common to have different unexplainable physics/mechanics/things being included in manga universes. 6. Stop insulting people. You started this nonsensical argument and you are even trying to stretch it further and further. @Forikorder Like i said. "Probably you are right about Sasakibe being dragged to Yamamoto. But I'm not so sure. From this page it looks like he got stabbed while reporting to 1st captain. + Show Spoiler + ![]() The person lying behind Vandenreich is the one who was reporting to Yamamoto earlier. Then we see Sasakibe there. Don't you see logic here? edit: Actually it looks like Sasakibe just 'arrived' there on that huge 'lance/arrow' straight from fighting ground. (the reporting shinigami is probably someone else) | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
You are saying that a guy with a 'fox head' is SERIOUS HOLE IN KUBO'S WORLDBUILDING. His origins may or may not be explained later in manga (probably when he dies). im willing to bet hell enver discuss why he has a wierd head There are a lot of things in Bleach universe we don't know yet (e.g. Quincy stuff, Royal Guards etc), Captain Fox is a minor one. doesnt matter if its major or minor its still easily explainable, i bet Tite doesnt even know and jsut added it to be cool @Forikorder Like i said. "Probably you are right about Sasakibe being dragged to Yamamoto. But I'm not so sure. From this page it looks like he got stabbed while reporting to 1st captain. + Show Spoiler +" The person lying behind Vandenreich is the one who was reporting to Yamamoto earlier. Then we see Sasakibe there. Don't you see logic here? oh so Sasakibe, fought the invaders, used his bankai, lost his bankai, realised he had to report to the captain commander, had a senior moment and completely forgot about the fight, then got owned by a surprise attack? the guy reporting to him isnt sasakibe its a messenger thats bringing reports from the field | ||
DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On March 29 2012 11:07 Forikorder wrote: im willing to bet hell enver discuss why he has a wierd head doesnt matter if its major or minor its still easily explainable, i bet Tite doesnt even know and jsut added it to be cool yeah, its probably like cats in Fairy Tail, mangaka just adds cool stuff and finds explanation later. for Sasakibe check my edit in last post. | ||
Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On March 29 2012 11:11 DrGreen wrote: yeah, its probably like cats in Fairy Tail, mangaka just adds cool stuff and finds explanation later. for Sasakibe check my edit in last post. the cats make sense and were explained i mean that Tite wont ever explain or even come up with an explanation for his head at this point its pretty unlikely well even see most of teh captians bankai or learn about Ishins past | ||
Let it Raine
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DrGreen
Poland708 Posts
On March 29 2012 11:18 Forikorder wrote: the cats make sense and were explained i mean that Tite wont ever explain or even come up with an explanation for his head at this point its pretty unlikely well even see most of teh captians bankai or learn about Ishins past I'm pretty sure that in this arc it will be explained who Ishin was, quincy stuff(Ishida not going to HM hints that), the mystery of Soul king and Aizen. | ||
ticklishmusic
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Mordiford
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On March 29 2012 11:21 Let it Raine wrote: its like you people mis read on purpose just so you can claim there's holes in the story No, its like the story is convoluted and has been extremely poorly written for a while now. It also seems like the author throws in ridiculous "death"s only to backtrack them with extremely overpowered healing magic. Then, when it's convenient or relevant to the story, suddenly the healing magic is forgotten and a totally undeveloped characters dies in the middle of a region fucking loaded with healers. Additionally, when you have a character who can literally bring back the dead at pretty much no cost it all becomes kind of irrelevant. The series has been pretty atrocious since the Soul Society arc, I stopped reading a little after the conclusion of the whole Aizen arc hoping there would actually be some kind of pay-off. Apparently it hasn't gotten any better... | ||
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