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IgnE
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The_Red_Viper
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IgnE
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The_Red_Viper
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This isn't even me saying i like the standard marvel stuff, i do not. But at least these are solid movies technically, even if they are all the same and thus i do not need to see each one because i already know all of them by watching a few :D DC movies are bad movies though, messing up the most basic things. | ||
CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On April 03 2018 02:52 IgnE wrote: hes obviously a terrible superhero, no argument there. but that movie at least tangentially grapples with social, ethical, and individual quandries about an invincible world-destroyer walking around amongst us. the only better treatment is really dr manhattan in watchmen Which is disconcerting since comic books have already mined that particular vein of story-telling to exhaustion. Just off the top of my head there's The Authority, Asgard on Earth during the Civil War arc, Galactus, Mister Majestic, the entire Lucifer series, Irredeemable, Miracleman, etc. | ||
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polgas
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KwarK
United States43877 Posts
On April 02 2018 15:09 IgnE wrote: you know how bad everyone's taste is (the fans and the critics) when one of the best marvel movies so far, Batman v. Superman, was universally panned, but all the other marvel dreck routinely gets thumbs up on rottentomatoes for repeating the same trite formulas. Batman v. Superman is one of the few movies to really consider the divinity of superman, a real Jesus figure (maybe more like Rama or something), and even its minor treatment of those themes is enough to pull it above other movies of its kind, in spite of the 50+ minutes of superfluous action scenes that dragged the movie down. I'm assuming this is a troll, both because BvS was objectively a horrible movie and because it was very famously the DC movie to begin the DC crossover Justice League thing. | ||
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IgnE
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KwarK
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On April 04 2018 12:58 IgnE wrote: nah i actually think its an above average comic book movie for the reasons stated There’s a pretty good breakdown of why the movie doesn’t work by a youtuber called MovieBob that I’d recommend. The BvS comic was written as a deconstruction of the logical end point of the genre but the movie fails to translate the point of any of it. I won’t repeat it here because it’s too much to type out on my phone and I won’t do it justice but it’s worth a watch if you have time. As are the rest of his videos imo. | ||
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IgnE
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I have read exactly zero comic books in my life. I'm just basing my opinions on the movies as they stand on their own. EDIT: also I can't stand his bullet-speed delivery EDIT2: i disagree that the movie's grim darkness is a flaw, and i think the mere fact that he has 3 hours of shit to say about this movie makes it better than half of all comic book movies which are forgotten before you even get to the theatre's exit. | ||
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KwarK
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WolfintheSheep
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Plansix
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On April 04 2018 15:48 WolfintheSheep wrote: BvS is basically everything bad about the grimdark 90's of comic books without anything that made the original Death of Superman, Dark Knight Returns, etc. so impactful. As a recovering fan of the grim dark 90s era comics, I cannot agree more. Man of Steel had so much potential in that first trailer. But then we get to the moment when our Jesus allegory is forced to villain with his bare hands to save a single family. Because hope requires murder. And that is after he kisses the love interest on top of the ashes of tens of thousands of people. That movie takes everything that is interesting about Superman and then turns it into Dragon Ball Z without the joy of the pro-wrestler style comedy. And it decides to prove it is grown up by killing the villain, because that is what being grown up was in the 90s comics. BvS decided to expand on that and ask what if Superman was a sad asshole who didn’t try to inspire mankind. Its like they read Kingdom Come, but didn’t get to the end where he doesn’t destroy the UN. Remember that trailer when his father says: “You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.” Wouldn’t it be great if they had made that movie instead? | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On April 04 2018 23:04 Plansix wrote: As a recovering fan of the grim dark 90s era comics, I cannot agree more. Man of Steel had so much potential in that first trailer. But then we get to the moment when our Jesus allegory is forced to villain with his bare hands to save a single family. Because hope requires murder. And that is after he kisses the love interest on top of the ashes of tens of thousands of people. That movie takes everything that is interesting about Superman and then turns it into Dragon Ball Z without the joy of the pro-wrestler style comedy. And it decides to prove it is grown up by killing the villain, because that is what being grown up was in the 90s comics. BvS decided to expand on that and ask what if Superman was a sad asshole who didn’t try to inspire mankind. Its like they read Kingdom Come, but didn’t get to the end where he doesn’t destroy the UN. Remember that trailer when his father says: “You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.” Wouldn’t it be great if they had made that movie instead? Pretty much all of this. You won't find a bigger Batman/DC fan than me, but that movie was as bad as it could be, and then JL just shit on top to make sure we all knew that Snyder hated Superman. He's the director equivalent of an edgelord given too much free reign over a big budget, big name franchise. | ||
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KwarK
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Plansix
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On April 05 2018 03:41 KwarK wrote: They didn’t even bother to create an iconic Superman to tear down. You can’t have “holy shit Superman killed a guy” be a thing without either referencing existing popular understanding of the character, which they deliberately avoided doing, or establishing their Superman’s beliefs. Their Superman wasn’t dark, he was incoherent. It wasn’t clear what the hell he was meant to stand for before they started subverting our expectations. That is the worst part of the film though. That they didn’t even follow through with the promise of the trailer and the opening of that film. I would argue that the start of Man of Steel is great. Right up until he lets his father die in that dumb, dumb scene. Modern retellings of Superman use a Smallville narrative texture about a community who, completely unspoken to each other, helped raise the savior of mankind. A place where everyone knew that Clark was greater than all of mankind and were all humbled by the responsibility teaching him empathy. And Snyder throws that all out the window and just says “Let your dad die so you don’t freak out humanity, who will fear you.” | ||
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WolfintheSheep
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22227 Posts
On April 05 2018 03:41 KwarK wrote: They didn’t even bother to create an iconic Superman to tear down. You can’t have “holy shit Superman killed a guy” be a thing without either referencing existing popular understanding of the character, which they deliberately avoided doing, or establishing their Superman’s beliefs. Their Superman wasn’t dark, he was incoherent. It wasn’t clear what the hell he was meant to stand for before they started subverting our expectations. I felt that with BvS aswell. You have Batmans introduction, Lex Luthor, BvS, Doomsdag and Death of Superman all in 1 movie. like what? Thats an entire franchise worth of material your throwing into a blender. As a result none of them get the screen time and backstory they deserve. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
Instead we get techno zod and martha. Where Batman uses up all his weapons that would have been really useful to fight zod/DD trying to fight a guy who has done nothing to deserve your paranoid delusions. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On April 05 2018 04:05 Plansix wrote: That is the worst part of the film though. That they didn’t even follow through with the promise of the trailer and the opening of that film. I would argue that the start of Man of Steel is great. Right up until he lets his father die in that dumb, dumb scene. Modern retellings of Superman use a Smallville narrative texture about a community who, completely unspoken to each other, helped raise the savior of mankind. A place where everyone knew that Clark was greater than all of mankind and were all humbled by the responsibility teaching him empathy. And Snyder throws that all out the window and just says “Let your dad die so you don’t freak out humanity, who will fear you.” nah this is all bullshit and what moviebob gets most wrong in his criticism. the smallville "how does superman be a good person" question is totally stupid. a god should act like a god. that is the question the BvS movie opens up. why is superman wasting so much time as clark kent, or getting involved in saving kittens from burning buildings when he's basically a god? why act like a humble midwesterner with small ambition, subject to ordinary human morality, and even worse, ordinary human financial constraints? | ||
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