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On January 19 2015 14:09 DannyJ wrote:My problems American Sniper didn't really have to do with it's stances of politics, war, etc. It was more of a character study. Just a weak one. I thought the character himself simply could have been developed more. The guy went through some crazy crap and did some crazy crap, like killing 250+ people. You'd think they could have a little more insight into his thoughts and feelings and how the war effected him. He was kind of just super boring and 1 dimensional overall. I also bet the real guy was far more opinionated and different than the quiet and thoughtful guy Cooper for the most part show. Might be 100% wrong about that I guess. Also, spoiler + Show Spoiler +Either a ton of the stuff in the movie was fake and needless hollywood stupidity, or real life is far crazier than i thought it could be. Was there really a Mustafa recurring bad guy in real life? Did the insane last scene on the rooftop really take place? It's safe to say there wasn't. Why did they need to even add that stuff to the movie? Just seemed so generic and dumb.
AFAIK he was a bit one dimensional IRL and comes off as a huge asshole in his book. He was an extreme conservative/bigot and talks about killing being fun. Eastwood touched on it a bit by the way he called all Iraqis savages, but basically if they had done the full character study it would've pissed a lot of people off because he was a piece of shit in a lot of ways.
Eastwood had to make this likeable, which meant cutting out a lot.
“I don’t shoot people with Korans,” Kyle retorted to an Army investigator when he was accused of killing an Iraqi civilian. “I’d like to, but I don’t.” Later in “American Sniper,” he announces, “I couldn’t give a flying fuck about the Iraqis.” “I hate the damn savages,” he explains.
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In Kyle’s version of the Iraq War, the parties consisted of Americans, who are good by virtue of being American, and fanatic Muslims whose “savage, despicable evil” led them to want to kill Americans simply because they are Christians. (Later in his service, Kyle had a blood-red “crusader cross” tattooed on his arm.) While he describes patriotism as the guiding force in his life, Kyle’s patriotism is of the visceral, Toby Keith variety. It consists of loving America — specifically, being overwhelmed emotionally by the National Anthem and flag, and filled with a desire to dedicate one’s life to such symbols — rather than a commitment to tangible democratic principles, such as civilian oversight of the military. That Iraqis, too, might have been patriotically motivated to defend their own country against foreign invaders like himself does not appear to have ever crossed Kyle’s mind.
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On January 19 2015 14:43 Glowsphere wrote:Haunting, beautiful movie. Had me in tears several times. It's about two poor farmers who try to make money during war time. The war splits up husbands and wives, fortunes rise and fall... It's a ghost story as well, but not in a scary way, just emotional.
you did everything the mod note says to avoid and it made your post useless. help!
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On January 20 2015 00:52 brian wrote:
you did everything the mod note says to avoid and it made your post useless. help!
I deleted the post. Maybe you should edit it out of your quote if it's so offensive as well.
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I didn't say it was offensive, I wanted to know what the movie was.
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Sorry, the title was Ugetsu. It's a black and white Japanese movie.
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I just watched the pilot of the 12 monkeys series, i really liked it and worth mentioning. imdb 8,2, imo correct rating and cant wait until epi02.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3148266/
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Predestination :
8.5/10
I really enjoyed it, I didn't even realize the plot twist when I generally do with time travel movies etc...
A good time travel movie with an original background, Sarash Snook played really well in my opinion too.
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Interstellar, imdb rates it as a 8,9 which imo is way to high, If you dont know alot about quantummechanics/space-time stuff the plot is hard to follow (even when you saw all of brain cox' documentaries). I am still wondering if i understood everything correctly, thats why i rate it only a 7, because i did enjoy watching it.
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On January 22 2015 06:40 Faust852 wrote:
Predestination :
8.5/10
I really enjoyed it, I didn't even realize the plot twist when I generally do with time travel movies etc...
A good time travel movie with an original background, Sarash Snook played really well in my opinion too.
Brings a whole new meaning to -spoiler warning-
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On January 14 2015 09:29 KwarK wrote:
Regarding The Imitation Game. I didn't like how at the end they brought up the number of homosexuals convicted. It seemed somewhat besides the point, yes Turing was gay and yes he was persecuted because of it but there was quite a lot more to him than just his sexuality. His persecution can be its own subplot within his remarkable life without being used as ammunition to make a broader societal point that had no grounding in the rest of the film. It felt out of place, irrelevant and cheap. That said, if that is the sum of my criticism of the film then it can be concluded that I liked it.
Eh, they also vastly exaggerated other aspects of the ending. What bothered me more was that, by all accounts, he wasn't _that_ socially awkward.
But yes very good film overall.
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On January 20 2015 04:21 govie wrote:I just watched the pilot of the 12 monkeys series, i really liked it and worth mentioning. imdb 8,2, imo correct rating and cant wait until epi02. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3148266/
Wait what? They're just rehashing the plot of the movie?
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On January 22 2015 22:08 c0ldfusion wrote:Wait what? They're just rehashing the plot of the movie?
Of the book, which eventually became a movie. Yes. Its a nice pilot, worth the watch, i intend on watching ep02 which i normally never do.
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The more I think about American Sniper, the more I loathe it.
It's a movie that makes dumb Americans dumber.
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Interesting, but i dont think thats the case. They made it a pretty sober story and i never saw rambo;) Dont forget every nation needs its hero's besides some enemies, its important for morale and what not.
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On January 23 2015 01:14 govie wrote:
Interesting, but i dont think thats the case. They made it a pretty sober story and i never saw rambo;) Dont forget every nation needs its hero's besides some enemies, its important for morale and what not.
That's exactly the point. 1) It's celebrating someone who was actually a dirt bag and 2) it takes an apolitical stance on an extremely, absurdly political war.
People are saying it's a look into the life of people defending our freedoms, but zero of our freedoms were being defended. The only people actively defending their freedom in the movie is the enemy sniper and Iraqi fighters. Think about that.
It's making Kyle a hero and the Iraqi war heroic. One of those is debatable and the other is flatout untrue, and the American public is buying it up.
American Sniper is the anti-Full Metal Jacket. Completely unthinking and absurdly simplistic. It's a dog treat for Toby Keith patriot assholes.
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3) Is risking his life so people like us can live long and prosper!
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On January 23 2015 01:56 govie wrote:
3) Is risking his life so people like us can live long and prosper!
In what way did his exceptional sniping make us safer and more prosperous?
This is a meaningless platitude when it comes to Vietnam and the Iraq war, and failing to be critical of it is exactly what dupes the American public into going into more wars. His presence in Iraq did not make us safer. In the long run, it probably did the opposite (which he's not culpable for, but it's still something that needs to be addressed.)
If you want to laud the guy, you should at least be saying, "we wasted his life."
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Dude, you should show some respect for the soldiers in the field. They dont decide where they go and what the mission is gonna be about. Alot of them get PSTD or other mental shit afterwards, we cant even imagene what these hero's can face in the field. These guys go no matter what, because the politicians you chose decided they should. These guys are hero's and get underpaid for risking their freaking lives so you can peacefully make them look like freaking shit on the internet.
If you want to make a fool out of something or somebody go after your mentally retarded political system, but not the people that do the actual dirty work!
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On January 23 2015 02:39 govie wrote:
Dude, you should show some respect for the soldiers in the field. They dont decide where they go and what the mission is gonna be about. Alot of them get PSTD or other mental shit afterwards, we cant even imagene what these hero's can face in the field. These guys go no matter what, because the politicians you chose decided they should. These guys are hero's and get underpaid for risking their freaking lives so you can peacefully make them look like freaking shit on the internet.
If you want to make a fool out of something or somebody go after your mentally retarded political system, but not the people that do the actual dirty work!
The best way to honor the lives of military members is to show how meaningless their fight was. How else do you expect to save them and their families in the future?
The movie shows us footage of 9/11 and then places us in Iraq, two situations which, as it turned out, should have been completely unrelated to each other. This movie promotes the idea that they fought for a reason critical to America's stability and freedom, and that's unequivocally untrue. All that he went through, all that our military people go through was not to defend America. Glossing over that does them a tremendous disservice.
If the movie were truly intent on telling the story of PTSD (which The Hurt Locker did better), it wouldn't have cut out Kyle's death at the hands of another PTSD victim. This was no Deer Hunter or Rambo.
The movie begs us to feel sympathy for our wounded soldiers, and then does nothing (as Kyle himself did - he was famously not introspective) to understand why they were wounded in the first place. The movie barely says, "war is hell" and it continues to perpetrate the heinous idea that this is a fight of "good vs. evil" and that we should be fighting while Iraqis shouldn't be fighting back.
If you don't examine the reason we went into an unneeded war, you do nothing to honor the people who died and suffered through it. All you're doing is praising their choice to serve, but if you don't learn anything you're still letting them die in vain. That's what the film does.
Kyle's service was heroic. Kyle, personally, was a piece of shit. Kyle's war was a waste of lives and money and time. In a vacuum, it's an exciting, suspenseful film. In the context of the modern US, it's making American citizens dumber and more likely to support meaningless wars in the future.
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On January 23 2015 02:39 govie wrote:
Dude, you should show some respect for the soldiers in the field. They dont decide where they go and what the mission is gonna be about. Alot of them get PSTD or other mental shit afterwards, we cant even imagene what these hero's can face in the field. These guys go no matter what, because the politicians you chose decided they should. These guys are hero's and get underpaid for risking their freaking lives so you can peacefully make them look like freaking shit on the internet.
If you want to make a fool out of something or somebody go after your mentally retarded political system, but not the people that do the actual dirty work! they kind of do buddy, by deciding to join the army. Its not like these are just randomly conscripted guys the way the US used to do it in the 60s
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