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omg. I can't breathe. Too much schadenfreude for me to handle.
CHANCE FISCHER @Chance_Fischer
Ladies: if your man watches Game Of Thrones, tonight will be the only time he'll cuddle with you and mean it sincerely
ROFL easily one of the best ones.
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Whoa!!
Major Stark fan here, and damn!! I'm not certain there are more than just a handful of characters I really like remaining, and they're not so important to the plot right now as Rob and gang were...
So long as the show continues to be awesome, I won't mind much though.
And...Stannis Baratheon has fans? lol It's kind of astounding how the ridiculous Lord of Light crap has messed stuff up from nowhere by just randomly killing his enemies. Can't wait for Joffrey's end though :D
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I both love and hate George RR Martin now. That was heartbreaking.
The north remembers!
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On June 04 2013 06:01 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:51 Mannerheim wrote:On June 04 2013 04:44 teapot wrote:On June 04 2013 03:59 Dazed_Spy wrote: The unrealistically dark aspect of GoT, I think, is the weird way it blends feudal expectations, a duty-honour based culture, society, intertwined with a fervent religious faith with like...blatant nihilism in the characters, sexual liberalism, open betrayals, murders and so on. Even in the worst periods of European history you couldnt find these sorts of things quite as ubiquitously as you do in GoT. It basically doesnt make sense from a sociological point of view. Its literally a feudal society with little proper regard for duty or leniage or proper behaviour outside of perfunctory "your grace" honorifics.
edit: It also makes no sense how one end its clearly very decentralized [wardens and their vassals], yet has a centralized bureaucracy for the state, in the form of the hand of the King and, clearly, associated state financial instruments. The world really is a hod podge of attitudes and mechanisms from across the centuries, leaving it really...odd. Especially in regards to the darkness of the main characters. Pretty much this. It is like Martin has transplanted our modern attitudes and expectations of the rich and powerful (1980s cut-throat greed culture), an elite removed from all social obligation, and slapped it into a medieval setting without much thought to how the whole thing operated. What the hell are you talking about? This is a literal fantasy world with dragons, zombies and magic. It's not supposed to adhere to your expectations of anything, least of all anything realistic or historical. Actually, it's just plain wrong in a way that has nothing to do with fantasy worlds. Sexual liberalism? Homosexuality was rampant in medieval society and practiced extremely often, especially among the clergy and the young pages/squires. Open betrayals? Do I even need to address how ridiculous it is to claim that open betrayals were not common in the medieval period? You obviously haven't studied European history very well if you think GoT is at all sensationalist. The only thing I would say is that GoT and GRRM's writing in general doesn't focus at all on the arts/culture/other things people might do outside of drink, kill, scheme, and sex. But in terms of doing dark, violent, terribly unethical things GoT is no more than par for the medieval course.
Again, why are you talking about European history? Just because GRRM borrowed aspects of it for the general setting doesn't mean he now has to follow any conventions of medieval history. It's still a fantasy world.
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Killing two main characters was somewhat expected as the show is about shitting on people that you might identify with (those with air time), but stabbing a fetal baby was just - low. All the explicit killing and torture was already hard on me (how to kill someone has come across my mind so many times since I started watching the show), but now a baby? I didn't really care for any of the characters except somewhat for the Imp, as they all made huge choices and portray characters I could not identify with (expected this wedding to be a trap, did not care when it was one). But killing a baby with multiple stabs (and you can't tell me this wasn't intended) is just disgusting and more than I would have needed to see to get the story plot across. Also the less I like people on the show the more screentime they get. So this will have been the last episode of GoT I will have watched. Not because of the characters that died (I disliked them anyway), not for the slaughter, but rather for the lack of people I can relate to and for the excessive and sadistic presentation of the killing/torture stuff.
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On June 04 2013 06:01 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 05:51 Mannerheim wrote:On June 04 2013 04:44 teapot wrote:On June 04 2013 03:59 Dazed_Spy wrote: The unrealistically dark aspect of GoT, I think, is the weird way it blends feudal expectations, a duty-honour based culture, society, intertwined with a fervent religious faith with like...blatant nihilism in the characters, sexual liberalism, open betrayals, murders and so on. Even in the worst periods of European history you couldnt find these sorts of things quite as ubiquitously as you do in GoT. It basically doesnt make sense from a sociological point of view. Its literally a feudal society with little proper regard for duty or leniage or proper behaviour outside of perfunctory "your grace" honorifics.
edit: It also makes no sense how one end its clearly very decentralized [wardens and their vassals], yet has a centralized bureaucracy for the state, in the form of the hand of the King and, clearly, associated state financial instruments. The world really is a hod podge of attitudes and mechanisms from across the centuries, leaving it really...odd. Especially in regards to the darkness of the main characters. Pretty much this. It is like Martin has transplanted our modern attitudes and expectations of the rich and powerful (1980s cut-throat greed culture), an elite removed from all social obligation, and slapped it into a medieval setting without much thought to how the whole thing operated. What the hell are you talking about? This is a literal fantasy world with dragons, zombies and magic. It's not supposed to adhere to your expectations of anything, least of all anything realistic or historical. Actually, it's just plain wrong in a way that has nothing to do with fantasy worlds. Sexual liberalism? Homosexuality was rampant in medieval society and practiced extremely often, especially among the clergy and the young pages/squires. Open betrayals? Do I even need to address how ridiculous it is to claim that open betrayals were not common in the medieval period? You obviously haven't studied European history very well if you think GoT is at all sensationalist. The only thing I would say is that GoT and GRRM's writing in general doesn't focus at all on the arts/culture/other things people might do outside of drink, kill, scheme, and sex. But in terms of doing dark, violent, terribly unethical things GoT is no more than par for the medieval course. or even ancient greek history, there are really fucked up stories in there, as well as extremely interesting political or strategical figures. Do people seriously believe that it was our own era that invented the ruthless search for power or whatever makes this show dark and violent?
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evil genius is Not to badmouth a community of people who are interested about you, is Not to ignore those who would want to high-five you as you walk by, is Not to berate those who are just as passionate about your doing as you; it IS to create an attractive piece for people to be emotionally invested as if they raised it their own, to have the patience to build up and to wait for the ripe fruit, to cultivate at least 2.9 volume of more than 1,000 pages, and then just let it Burn and Tear to the ground. That's the joy created and stemmed from stirring other people's emotion toward a train wreck, pure evil genius.
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Tagged: Game of Thrones, Red Wedding, GoT, satire, redwedding.
Nope.
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SMH at all the people implying because evil has been done that it is natural for ALL humanity and should be well represented to show good people as idiots who should never have been good and are punished for their behavior severely, and evil people as smart because they accepted the world for what it really is and took advantage which is basically what GoT does. Evil doesn't just get to win in GoT but it gets to do a jig on goods corpse.
Thinking this way keeps countries at third world level and is why we had an enlightenment eventually just saying.
What I predict is Sansa learns the ways of evil and keeps just enough emotional distance to put up a facade of innocence but uses all of her tricks in one fell swoop.
BTW I am not saying I am boycotting its just I am glad I torrent because I am happy I am not supporting such a Satanic show. Still, because I am not a fundamentalist and I am very invested in the plot so I will probably continue to watch. Also I love how well made it is you gotta say if it was a bad show people wouldn't cry and I wouldn't have cried either.
I really hope we get a good guy bone thrown at us soon.
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On June 04 2013 06:18 killa_robot wrote:Tagged: Game of Thrones, Red Wedding, GoT, satire, redwedding. Nope.
I want to believe it's true, because if so that's the most hilarious thing ever.
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"By Dothraki standards the wedding was a very entertaining affair" Hilarious. Dying. Dead.
Fark me this show is well written and performed. I hate happy endings.
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well, that escalated quickly
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Dude, that poll is only going to invite book readers who know what happens to vote in it anonymously..
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On June 04 2013 06:11 Cirqueenflex wrote: But killing a baby with multiple stabs (and you can't tell me this wasn't intended) is just disgusting and more than I would have needed to see to get the story plot across. Also the less I like people on the show the more screentime they get. So this will have been the last episode of GoT I will have watched. Not because of the characters that died (I disliked them anyway), not for the slaughter, but rather for the lack of people I can relate to and for the excessive and sadistic presentation of the killing/torture stuff.
You think the point of the whole Red Wedding scene was just to "get a story point across"? They could have just had all of the Starks just suddenly get their throats cut (like the magician in Essos did at the end of S2) if all they were trying to convey with this scene was "...aaaand then the Starks all got killed for betraying Frey."
The point of the scene was to be horrific, to highlight the emotional rollercoaster of the Starks going from a relatively hopeful place to having lost everything within a few minutes. Part of that was deliberately highlighting that they were killing the heir to the throne (and all of the hopes for the future of the Starks) by stabbing Talissa's stomach. It's supposed to be horrific. It's a deliberately stark contrast to the heroic, beautiful, meaningful deaths we're used to important heroes getting.
I actually do take issue with a lot of the unnecessary gore in this show, but all of the gore in that scene served a pretty damn clear purpose, and it worked incredibly well. One of the most amazing TV viewing experiences I've ever had. It's beyond me why that brilliant scene would make someone swear off the show.
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