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On April 16 2013 04:28 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 03:43 turdburgler wrote:On April 16 2013 03:31 spaZps wrote:On April 16 2013 02:48 Spektor wrote:On April 16 2013 02:43 turdburgler wrote:
Its seems a bit strange from a character development standpoint that jamie lanister, the greatest swordsman in the 7 kingdoms is currently 0/2 in duels actually shown on screen. I believe he said he's been in captivity for a year, his skills have lessened, now he is worn down, and unpracticed. I don't expect him to have the upper hand of any fight anymore and will continue to lose those duels. you dont even metion the real extent. He probaly gets beaten everyday, aint probaly fed. Doenst sleep. He is pretty much at 30% of his abilty. thats not the point though. im not saying lololol hes so bad. im saying theyve fallen in to a tell instead of showing mind set, which is bad. they tell you hes great, they never show it. That's all part of his character though. He's supposed to be a badass swordsman, but you never see it. Instead, Brienne accuses him of coasting on his reputation, and Vargo accuses him of hiding behind his father's name and money. You're supposed to be skeptical of Jaime's talents, whereas you wouldn't be if the show had included a few fights of him being awesome.
Smart take on it. Jaime hasn't been shown to suck at fighting (he fought Ned to a standstill and wasn't exactly getting owned by Brienne either - even though they argue about who was 'winning'). And plenty of characters do attest to his past feats (the cousin he killed, Selby, ect), but that was a long time ago.
Jaime's also been shown to be pretty insecure about how people view him (his father's speech about how much he hates being called Kingslayer in S1), so it makes sense that he doesn't want to risk his reputation.
In any case; the thing with best swordsman is you never can never prove it without someone dying; so people like Ned / Selby don't exact like flaunting it (Ned even says he doesn't see the point in tournaments). After all, it's not like boxing / SC where you can just match them up for 12 rounds / Bo7 and see what happens.
On April 16 2013 04:52 Spykiller wrote:
I read a lot of comments of recognising the song. I have never heard the song before or any other version of it. What is the song, and what does it mean? Its a song about a bear and a girl or something? I dont get the reference.
It's the song the Brotherhood were singing during their march (Arya's scene).
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On April 16 2013 05:13 Carapas wrote:
Is it me or theon's tormentors looked like they are from the iron islands? Judging by the landscape he doesn't appear to be in the north.
Remember the scene with ned and the deserter in episode 1? The landscape does look exactly like it. It should be the north.
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I'm not saying that Jaime isn't / wasn't a talented swordsman, only that the narrative has been crafted in a way that you perceive him similarly to the way characters like Brienne do. If you watched his duel with Brienne and thought "Jaime's losing to a girl, really?" that's exactly what the show's creators were going for. If you're making the same excuses for him that he made to Brienne, all the better. It wasn't a mistake that they didn't show him winning a tournament or two -- it was great storytelling.
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So many people reading into the Pod scene... it was just a fun scene, nothing more lol.
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On April 16 2013 05:29 crappen wrote:
Loving the fact that GRRM can just cut heads and hands left and right. So good to finally have a show where there is NO plot-armor what so ever, not even the slightest.
Only plot-armor I can see, is dragonbitch, but then again, I still dont know for sure.
Atm i feel like they cutting his hand of is like the biggest Plot armor ever and he will be around for quite some time ^^.
Not that i have a clue, but why would they cut his arm just to kill him soon after?
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On April 16 2013 01:08 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:54 Sandster wrote:
King's Landing - I feel bad for Tyrion, but he's such a resourceful guy that I feel he'll handle the finances fine. And Podrick is a hell of a man (though - like some people said - I suspect Tyrion made the girls to return the money, both to boost Podrick's self esteem and to test what he'd do with the money). Littlefinger marrying Catelyn's sister - no idea when that was arranged, but this doesn't bode well for Robb. Not in a million years would he pull a fake with a whore on someone he likes! He was devastated after finding out that Jaime did a similar thing to him.
spoiler?
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On April 16 2013 06:34 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 01:08 Fenrax wrote:On April 16 2013 00:54 Sandster wrote:
King's Landing - I feel bad for Tyrion, but he's such a resourceful guy that I feel he'll handle the finances fine. And Podrick is a hell of a man (though - like some people said - I suspect Tyrion made the girls to return the money, both to boost Podrick's self esteem and to test what he'd do with the money). Littlefinger marrying Catelyn's sister - no idea when that was arranged, but this doesn't bode well for Robb. Not in a million years would he pull a fake with a whore on someone he likes! He was devastated after finding out that Jaime did a similar thing to him. spoiler?
Nah, Tyrion told this story to Jon Snow in the show's first season iirc.
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On April 16 2013 06:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:34 ImFromPortugal wrote:On April 16 2013 01:08 Fenrax wrote:On April 16 2013 00:54 Sandster wrote:
King's Landing - I feel bad for Tyrion, but he's such a resourceful guy that I feel he'll handle the finances fine. And Podrick is a hell of a man (though - like some people said - I suspect Tyrion made the girls to return the money, both to boost Podrick's self esteem and to test what he'd do with the money). Littlefinger marrying Catelyn's sister - no idea when that was arranged, but this doesn't bode well for Robb. Not in a million years would he pull a fake with a whore on someone he likes! He was devastated after finding out that Jaime did a similar thing to him. spoiler? Nah, Tyrion told this story to Jon Snow in the show's first season iirc.
To Shae and Bronn while they're in the Lannister army tent. Episode 9, iirc.
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On April 16 2013 06:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:34 ImFromPortugal wrote:On April 16 2013 01:08 Fenrax wrote:On April 16 2013 00:54 Sandster wrote:
King's Landing - I feel bad for Tyrion, but he's such a resourceful guy that I feel he'll handle the finances fine. And Podrick is a hell of a man (though - like some people said - I suspect Tyrion made the girls to return the money, both to boost Podrick's self esteem and to test what he'd do with the money). Littlefinger marrying Catelyn's sister - no idea when that was arranged, but this doesn't bode well for Robb. Not in a million years would he pull a fake with a whore on someone he likes! He was devastated after finding out that Jaime did a similar thing to him. spoiler? Nah, Tyrion told this story to Jon Snow in the show's first season iirc.
No, it wasn't to Jon Snow. It was to Bronn. But yes, this happened in season 1.
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Lol well there ya go, I knew it happened somewhere.
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On April 16 2013 06:35 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 06:34 ImFromPortugal wrote:On April 16 2013 01:08 Fenrax wrote:On April 16 2013 00:54 Sandster wrote:
King's Landing - I feel bad for Tyrion, but he's such a resourceful guy that I feel he'll handle the finances fine. And Podrick is a hell of a man (though - like some people said - I suspect Tyrion made the girls to return the money, both to boost Podrick's self esteem and to test what he'd do with the money). Littlefinger marrying Catelyn's sister - no idea when that was arranged, but this doesn't bode well for Robb. Not in a million years would he pull a fake with a whore on someone he likes! He was devastated after finding out that Jaime did a similar thing to him. spoiler? Nah, Tyrion told this story to Jon Snow in the show's first season iirc.
well i don't want to spoil so i will shut up
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On April 16 2013 06:33 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 05:29 crappen wrote:
Loving the fact that GRRM can just cut heads and hands left and right. So good to finally have a show where there is NO plot-armor what so ever, not even the slightest.
Only plot-armor I can see, is dragonbitch, but then again, I still dont know for sure. Atm i feel like they cutting his hand of is like the biggest Plot armor ever and he will be around for quite some time ^^. Not that i have a clue, but why would they cut his arm just to kill him soon after?
Why would they hamstring Ned Stark just to kill him soon after? There is no such thing as plot armor in this series...
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I think Daenerys is going to get her dragon back shortly after giving it to the guy.. I don't see them A)Listening to him at all B) She may be slightly annoying and act stupid at times but she knows perfectly well what she is doing here. C) I'm 50/50 if she gets her new army/dragons to kill the rulers of that city.. I'll go with yes just to see if I am right.
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On April 16 2013 07:32 Shelke14 wrote:
I think Daenerys is going to get her dragon back shortly after giving it to the guy.. I don't see them A)Listening to him at all B) She may be slightly annoying and act stupid at times but she knows perfectly well what she is doing here. C) I'm 50/50 if she gets her new army/dragons to kill the rulers of that city.. I'll go with yes just to see if I am right.
I'm like 95% her first command to the slave army will be to burn down this city. Bonus points if the dragon she gives the guy in charge kills him when he tries to command it.
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I think that table / chair scene with Tyrion is now my favorite scene of the entire series so far. At least for now.  And a great ending as well. So much to look forward to next episode.
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So after all is said and done who do you guys think has the best chance of taking the throne? Obviously daenerys seems really dangerous and she has the upperhand by no one even knowing she exists, but her army is pretty small in comparison to everyone else. I can't see Robb winning, at least not with his amount of experience and also the white walkers closing in soon. Joffrey has like a million people who fucking hate his guts so...
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On April 16 2013 07:37 VirtuallyJesse wrote:I think that table / chair scene with Tyrion is now my favorite scene of the entire series so far. At least for now. And a great ending as well. So much to look forward to next episode.
Seriously haha.
I like Tywin more with every episode. Wish there was more scenes with him, he just kills it. Every scene with Tywin and Tyrion together is just awesome.
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On April 16 2013 07:42 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 07:37 VirtuallyJesse wrote:I think that table / chair scene with Tyrion is now my favorite scene of the entire series so far. At least for now. And a great ending as well. So much to look forward to next episode. Seriously haha. I like Tywin more with every episode. Wish there was more scenes with him, he just kills it. Every scene with Tywin and Tyrion together is just awesome.
They should do a father/son sitcom spin-off.
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On April 16 2013 07:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So after all is said and done who do you guys think has the best chance of taking the throne? Obviously daenerys seems really dangerous and she has the upperhand by no one even knowing she exists, but her army is pretty small in comparison to everyone else. I can't see Robb winning, at least not with his amount of experience and also the white walkers closing in soon. Joffrey has like a million people who fucking hate his guts so...
Anyone have a place that states what the current make up of peoples armies are?
Daenery - 10kish?
Wildlyns - 90k?
Kings Landing - ????
Robb Stark - ???
Iron Islands - ???
Stannis - ???
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On April 16 2013 07:38 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So after all is said and done who do you guys think has the best chance of taking the throne? Obviously daenerys seems really dangerous and she has the upperhand by no one even knowing she exists, but her army is pretty small in comparison to everyone else. I can't see Robb winning, at least not with his amount of experience and also the white walkers closing in soon. Joffrey has like a million people who fucking hate his guts so...
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