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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 19:58:16
June 21 2014 19:57 GMT
#25841
On June 22 2014 02:42 farvacola wrote:
If you think royal legitimacy can be bought, sold, or stolen, you haven't been paying very much attention.

If you think that matters, then how did Robert end up king?
They called him usurper, because he took the Throne by beating the Targaryens.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
June 21 2014 20:03 GMT
#25842
In a massive, dynasty shattering war in which both sides were led by established royal lines. Yes, that is true.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2014 21:49 GMT
#25843
For the record, people knew the Targaryan survivors were fleeing to Dragonstone and fleeing to Pentos from there.
If legitimacy mattered as much, all the truly loyal people would have been up in arms to dethrone Robert and put a Targaryen on the throne again.
But no one was. Because the Targaryens lost, despite having the legitimate claim.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18870 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-21 22:07:50
June 21 2014 22:04 GMT
#25844
Legitimacy is not an on or off switch; it exists on a spectrum, a spectrum that takes into account things like the ability to muster an army, garner public support, and maintain a stable governmental facade. It should come as no surprise that the prominence of ones' name plays an integral role in determining whether or not one is able to make those factors work in pursuit of kingship, and there is absolutely nothing that suggests that Varys, Littlefinger, or the Iron Bank have any ability to override that.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 21 2014 23:04 GMT
#25845
I wouldn't say that Petyr Baelish has no ability to improve his standing to the point where he can legitimately sit on the throne.
His way would most likely be "no one dares to oppose him"
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 21 2014 23:13 GMT
#25846
i find it amazing that little finger hasn't pissed off someone more powerful enough to get himself killed at this point.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1972 Posts
June 22 2014 00:35 GMT
#25847
On June 22 2014 01:56 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 01:47 Vladix wrote:

There's no Theon/Reek. :/


I could have added alot of names, like Theon, Arya, Sansa, Brann, Boltons, Freys, etc.
But they lack too many things.
Like a claim, support,motive, some are too young at this moment to be considered.

He is just joking. Don't take it seriously.

Well, I'm only kind of joking. Theon was one of my favourite characters since the beginning. All the guy had to do was bang whores while talking about how great he was lol.

I actually think it would be really cool if the little bitchy kid from the vale (Robin?), got turned into a badass by Baelish and Sansa, and then ended up being king
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
June 22 2014 01:27 GMT
#25848
On June 22 2014 08:04 Mataza wrote:
I wouldn't say that Petyr Baelish has no ability to improve his standing to the point where he can legitimately sit on the throne.
His way would most likely be "no one dares to oppose him"


Is real history a spoiler?
+ Show Spoiler +

Well, he's got to do two things: get titles/supporters, and get real popular support. The closest guy I'm aware of to Baelish in English history was Richard Neville of Warwick. Noble, unlike Baelish, but fairly minor until the war started (depending on who you ask, he may have been the guy who started the wars of the roses). Switched sides in the war several times, every time with a mind to increasing his own power. Gained tremendous popular support by being charming and charismatic. Maneuvered to become the richest and most powerful man in the kingdom. Used it to raise several rebellions when it suited him. He ended up king in all but name; but that was enough. He had the real king imprisoned and submissive, but the fact of the true king's survival meant that others were able to rally and eventually drive him from the capital.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
June 23 2014 02:59 GMT
#25849
On June 22 2014 10:27 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:04 Mataza wrote:
I wouldn't say that Petyr Baelish has no ability to improve his standing to the point where he can legitimately sit on the throne.
His way would most likely be "no one dares to oppose him"


Is real history a spoiler?
+ Show Spoiler +

Well, he's got to do two things: get titles/supporters, and get real popular support. The closest guy I'm aware of to Baelish in English history was Richard Neville of Warwick. Noble, unlike Baelish, but fairly minor until the war started (depending on who you ask, he may have been the guy who started the wars of the roses). Switched sides in the war several times, every time with a mind to increasing his own power. Gained tremendous popular support by being charming and charismatic. Maneuvered to become the richest and most powerful man in the kingdom. Used it to raise several rebellions when it suited him. He ended up king in all but name; but that was enough. He had the real king imprisoned and submissive, but the fact of the true king's survival meant that others were able to rally and eventually drive him from the capital.

Yes, real history is a spoiler. Requesting ban please.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
June 23 2014 04:52 GMT
#25850
On June 22 2014 08:13 Frolossus wrote:
i find it amazing that little finger hasn't pissed off someone more powerful enough to get himself killed at this point.

He did when he acused Tyrion Lannister of being the one behind the assasination attempt on bran. Cat told tyrion of these accusations and why Tyrion, now coming to the capitol as the acting hand of the king never did anything about it remains the biggest plothole in the series.
you no take candle
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
June 23 2014 11:33 GMT
#25851
On June 22 2014 02:35 TMG26 wrote:
BALON GREYJOY WILL RAID ALL OF WESTEROS AND THEN SIT ON THE IRON THRONE!


I remember a 3rd leech
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
June 23 2014 11:52 GMT
#25852
On June 23 2014 20:33 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 02:35 TMG26 wrote:
BALON GREYJOY WILL RAID ALL OF WESTEROS AND THEN SIT ON THE IRON THRONE!


I remember a 3rd leech


The fire never lies. It is known.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
June 23 2014 13:53 GMT
#25853
On June 23 2014 20:52 Titusmaster6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 20:33 Zandar wrote:
On June 22 2014 02:35 TMG26 wrote:
BALON GREYJOY WILL RAID ALL OF WESTEROS AND THEN SIT ON THE IRON THRONE!


I remember a 3rd leech


The fire never lies. It is known.


Considering the first two leeches (Rob and Joffrey are dead), it has to be the truth. I wonder what will be the end for Balon, another color wedding? :D Would be interesting spell, your target died while wedding, and every death is so bright that it kicks u in ur brain. Although I hope Balon gonna die suffering.
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Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
June 23 2014 14:06 GMT
#25854
On June 23 2014 20:33 Zandar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 02:35 TMG26 wrote:
BALON GREYJOY WILL RAID ALL OF WESTEROS AND THEN SIT ON THE IRON THRONE!


I remember a 3rd leech


What is this leech you speak of
For Aiur???
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 23 2014 14:15 GMT
#25855
On June 23 2014 23:06 Fighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 20:33 Zandar wrote:
On June 22 2014 02:35 TMG26 wrote:
BALON GREYJOY WILL RAID ALL OF WESTEROS AND THEN SIT ON THE IRON THRONE!


I remember a 3rd leech


What is this leech you speak of


When Gendry had some sexytime with Melisandra she used 3 leeches to drain some kings blood from him and then Stannis burned them saying 3 names: Joffrey, Robb Stark and Balon Greyjoy.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-23 20:50:11
June 23 2014 20:49 GMT
#25856
On June 23 2014 13:52 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:13 Frolossus wrote:
i find it amazing that little finger hasn't pissed off someone more powerful enough to get himself killed at this point.

He did when he acused Tyrion Lannister of being the one behind the assasination attempt on bran. Cat told tyrion of these accusations and why Tyrion, now coming to the capitol as the acting hand of the king never did anything about it remains the biggest plothole in the series.

he didnt accuse him, he said that the dagger was tyrions, and it was.
Also Littlefinger is an useful man to have on his side, whats the point in petty vengeance when you're attacked by a much more powerful force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
June 23 2014 20:56 GMT
#25857
On June 24 2014 05:49 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2014 13:52 sc2holar wrote:
On June 22 2014 08:13 Frolossus wrote:
i find it amazing that little finger hasn't pissed off someone more powerful enough to get himself killed at this point.

He did when he acused Tyrion Lannister of being the one behind the assasination attempt on bran. Cat told tyrion of these accusations and why Tyrion, now coming to the capitol as the acting hand of the king never did anything about it remains the biggest plothole in the series.

he didnt accuse him, he said that the dagger was tyrions, and it was.
Also Littlefinger is an useful man to have on his side, whats the point in petty vengeance when you're attacked by a much more powerful force


Did Cat even say it was Littlefinger who told her, to Tyrion? He can make assumptions but acting without proof is not a good way to go and Tyrion knows it.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 24 2014 02:08 GMT
#25858
On June 24 2014 05:56 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2014 05:49 Erasme wrote:
On June 23 2014 13:52 sc2holar wrote:
On June 22 2014 08:13 Frolossus wrote:
i find it amazing that little finger hasn't pissed off someone more powerful enough to get himself killed at this point.

He did when he acused Tyrion Lannister of being the one behind the assasination attempt on bran. Cat told tyrion of these accusations and why Tyrion, now coming to the capitol as the acting hand of the king never did anything about it remains the biggest plothole in the series.

he didnt accuse him, he said that the dagger was tyrions, and it was.
Also Littlefinger is an useful man to have on his side, whats the point in petty vengeance when you're attacked by a much more powerful force


Did Cat even say it was Littlefinger who told her, to Tyrion? He can make assumptions but acting without proof is not a good way to go and Tyrion knows it.


Also he cant hold it against Littlefinger for telling the truth about the dagger and the last thing he wants anyway is to draw attention back to that incident when he knows his brother was the one responsible.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 04:23:49
June 24 2014 03:10 GMT
#25859


User was temp banned for this post.
you no take candle
SergioCQH
Profile Joined October 2010
United States143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 04:05:04
June 24 2014 03:33 GMT
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