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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9649 Posts
June 09 2014 18:00 GMT
#24861
Does Mance Rayder know Jon Snow has switched sides again?
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Dunmer
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom568 Posts
June 09 2014 18:09 GMT
#24862
He doesnt know since the wildlings over the wall couldnt communicate with the army behind it, but he could probably piece it together when jon comes walking out of the wall.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 09 2014 18:16 GMT
#24863
Some how Tywin has up to date info on what Dany is up to and she is on another continent. If Mance also has access to twitter he might know.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 18:24:58
June 09 2014 18:24 GMT
#24864
On June 10 2014 03:16 karazax wrote:
Some how Tywin has up to date info on what Dany is up to and she is on another continent. If Mance also has access to twitter he might know.

Well Tywin has his Spider (with little birds) to tell him what Dany does.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
June 09 2014 18:32 GMT
#24865
Why couldn't the Wildlings climb the wall a few miles away from Castle Black? Surely there's only so much length you can cover with a garrison of 100 men.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 09 2014 18:33 GMT
#24866
On June 10 2014 03:00 iamperfection wrote:
Does Mance Rayder know Jon Snow has switched sides again?


don't recollect any indication that Mance would know which side Snow is on, but Mance should be very suspicious of Snow when he returns alone
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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 09 2014 18:37 GMT
#24867
Don't forget that the wildlings south of the Wall also had wargs. At least one that we know of. They could send a message to Mance through the owl we saw in the ep, or something. I don't think Mance ever truly trusted Jon anyway, so he likely suspects it.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
June 09 2014 18:39 GMT
#24868
On June 10 2014 03:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Why couldn't the Wildlings climb the wall a few miles away from Castle Black? Surely there's only so much length you can cover with a garrison of 100 men.


they want to pressure Castle Black on both sides of the wall to keep them more spread?

although they should have tried to send as many men as possible over the wall to join in on the raiding party
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sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
June 09 2014 18:55 GMT
#24869
On June 10 2014 03:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Why couldn't the Wildlings climb the wall a few miles away from Castle Black? Surely there's only so much length you can cover with a garrison of 100 men.


didnt jon lie to mance about the size of nights watch forces? they prolly think its same everywhere and the tunnel is only through castle black? they would have to climb the wall down on the other side too
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 09 2014 19:09 GMT
#24870
Anyway, I counted something like 29-31 dead night watch men this episode.
I counted a bit sloppy though. Hard to tell in some of the wide moving shots which extra was supposed to be a wildling or a nw man.

At this tempo they would really only hold another day or two.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 09 2014 19:18 GMT
#24871
On June 10 2014 03:24 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 03:16 karazax wrote:
Some how Tywin has up to date info on what Dany is up to and she is on another continent. If Mance also has access to twitter he might know.

Well Tywin has his Spider (with little birds) to tell him what Dany does.



Yeah I was more making fun of the fact that the Spider's spies were able to communicate what Dany did in the previous episode over the sea when one would expect the news to travel much slower.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
June 09 2014 19:28 GMT
#24872
On June 10 2014 04:09 Mataza wrote:
Anyway, I counted something like 29-31 dead night watch men this episode.
I counted a bit sloppy though. Hard to tell in some of the wide moving shots which extra was supposed to be a wildling or a nw man.

At this tempo they would really only hold another day or two.


Disagree. If I'm not mistaken only 3-4 of them died on the wall; all of the other deaths were in the castle. Now that there are no more wildlings south of the wall there won't be such a slaughter in subsequent attacks.
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
June 09 2014 19:45 GMT
#24873
On June 10 2014 04:28 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 04:09 Mataza wrote:
Anyway, I counted something like 29-31 dead night watch men this episode.
I counted a bit sloppy though. Hard to tell in some of the wide moving shots which extra was supposed to be a wildling or a nw man.

At this tempo they would really only hold another day or two.


Disagree. If I'm not mistaken only 3-4 of them died on the wall; all of the other deaths were in the castle. Now that there are no more wildlings south of the wall there won't be such a slaughter in subsequent attacks.


I'm pretty sure Mance could take the castle in a matter of hours if he just sent his army to the gate.

Of course he would lose a lot of men at the choke point to oil + fire, but still. He could send them like 50 by 50 or so to avoid that. The corridor makes the higher number army useless but it would still fall eventually. On the other hand, Leónidas and the spartans would probably hold that corridor forever

Mance just does not know the NW numbers and sent a first small wave to test their defences before committing.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
June 09 2014 20:34 GMT
#24874
Perhaps Mance doesn't know the exact numbers, but he had his warg controlling the owl on top of the wall, so he has a pretty good idea. Not to mention that he was a member of the Night's Watch himself, so he has rough estimates of their numbers.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
June 09 2014 20:39 GMT
#24875
On June 10 2014 04:45 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 04:28 Serejai wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:09 Mataza wrote:
Anyway, I counted something like 29-31 dead night watch men this episode.
I counted a bit sloppy though. Hard to tell in some of the wide moving shots which extra was supposed to be a wildling or a nw man.

At this tempo they would really only hold another day or two.


Disagree. If I'm not mistaken only 3-4 of them died on the wall; all of the other deaths were in the castle. Now that there are no more wildlings south of the wall there won't be such a slaughter in subsequent attacks.


I'm pretty sure Mance could take the castle in a matter of hours if he just sent his army to the gate.

Of course he would lose a lot of men at the choke point to oil + fire, but still. He could send them like 50 by 50 or so to avoid that. The corridor makes the higher number army useless but it would still fall eventually. On the other hand, Leónidas and the spartans would probably hold that corridor forever

Mance just does not know the NW numbers and sent a first small wave to test their defences before committing.


yes Mance just has to split his marines like a boss to avoid the oil + fire, with decent micro should be able to crush the defenses

overwhelming supply lead
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
June 09 2014 20:46 GMT
#24876
I wanted to know what happens to Tyrion god damnit!
Taru
Profile Joined October 2010
France88 Posts
June 09 2014 20:53 GMT
#24877
On June 10 2014 05:39 mikumegurine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2014 04:45 Salteador Neo wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:28 Serejai wrote:
On June 10 2014 04:09 Mataza wrote:
Anyway, I counted something like 29-31 dead night watch men this episode.
I counted a bit sloppy though. Hard to tell in some of the wide moving shots which extra was supposed to be a wildling or a nw man.

At this tempo they would really only hold another day or two.


Disagree. If I'm not mistaken only 3-4 of them died on the wall; all of the other deaths were in the castle. Now that there are no more wildlings south of the wall there won't be such a slaughter in subsequent attacks.


I'm pretty sure Mance could take the castle in a matter of hours if he just sent his army to the gate.

Of course he would lose a lot of men at the choke point to oil + fire, but still. He could send them like 50 by 50 or so to avoid that. The corridor makes the higher number army useless but it would still fall eventually. On the other hand, Leónidas and the spartans would probably hold that corridor forever

Mance just does not know the NW numbers and sent a first small wave to test their defences before committing.


yes Mance just has to split his marines like a boss to avoid the oil + fire, with decent micro should be able to crush the defenses

overwhelming supply lead


His units are like 0/0 and have no combat shield thought but yeah against 1 base NW, Mance is pretty much ahead :p
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
June 09 2014 20:55 GMT
#24878
On June 10 2014 05:34 karazax wrote:
Perhaps Mance doesn't know the exact numbers, but he had his warg controlling the owl on top of the wall, so he has a pretty good idea. Not to mention that he was a member of the Night's Watch himself, so he has rough estimates of their numbers.


That warg was with Tormund/Styr/Ygritte and co., not Mance. Although one would assume he has his own wargs checking shit out.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
June 09 2014 20:56 GMT
#24879
On June 10 2014 05:34 karazax wrote:
Perhaps Mance doesn't know the exact numbers, but he had his warg controlling the owl on top of the wall, so he has a pretty good idea. Not to mention that he was a member of the Night's Watch himself, so he has rough estimates of their numbers.

Mance was a man of the night's watch many, many years ago.
The wildlings weren't even sure which castles are manned.

The biggest problem is that the inner gate is broken and the outer gate is a bit damaged. Also 2 giants could probably lift it up and hold it open for all 100.000 wildlings to enter.
Being safe on top of the wall is going to do jacksquat for the nights watch.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 21:04:52
June 09 2014 21:02 GMT
#24880
I enjoyed the episode but in a non-GoT type way, i dont know why i didnt enjoy it, i fucking loved the fights (Jon vs that bald dude, that anvil facesmash LOL.) and stuff but i just think i watch and love GoT for different reasons and an entire episode of pure fighting leaves it lacking in the departments its known for, I could have dealt with 3/4 of the episode being like that with some GoT drama/shitstirring/mindfuckbattles in the rest.

Hell it would have been the perfect opportunity to show bran and co with them seeing the fight / wildling army / fire while they made their way through/past it all.

So, S class television, B class GoT for me.
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