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Last.Midnight
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia906 Posts
November 25 2009 03:45 GMT
#761
Masuka fucking rules. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Holy shit @ the ending.

Aaand holy shit at the whole family scene. Michael C. Hall is on the same level as guys like Edward Norton and Johnny Depp to me. Such a convincing actor!
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 05:51:08
November 25 2009 05:46 GMT
#762
+ Show Spoiler +
That episode was so creepy, holy shit lol. The trinity killer is a fantastic actor. Like when he trys to look scary and like a serial killer, by god he does lol. The ending was unexpected. I'm kind of iffy on how they are going to connect the trinity killer to the newspaper chick and explain their relation. Hopefully it's epic.

At first I thought dexter was actually going to knife that guy in the kitchen. I figured they would make it so the family was so grateful that they lied for dexter to cover up the murder.

Hopefully we see an entirely new side of dexter, jealousy. Once he discovers the neighbor kissed rita it will be interesting to see how he reacts and if he retaliates.
Last.Midnight
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia906 Posts
November 25 2009 07:22 GMT
#763
Oh, and MAD props to the kid that plays Jonah. That dude could easily be just another "heart throb" actor that just plays a happy, pleasant guy (that's all I thought he was when he first came on screen) but the kid is fucking good. So is the rest of the family. Very talented actors! Lithgow is a GOD!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
November 25 2009 21:47 GMT
#764
On November 25 2009 12:45 Last.Midnight wrote:
Masuka fucking rules. I've said it before and I'll say it again.


Plus he has the funniest laughter ever.
I agree with you, the show has such amazing actors, Hall and Lithgow are amazing, and Jonah was a huge surprise to me as well, his acting really opened up the way for you to feel much more sympethatic with the family and make the whole scenario all the more intense.
beep boop
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5472 Posts
November 25 2009 23:51 GMT
#765
Well, I've stayed away from this thread since season 4 started. I hate waiting for episodes to come out, so I just started watching it now. Watched the first 9 episodes over the past couple days, so I'm all caught up.

Not that it matters too much, but Arthur says in one of the episodes where he first meets "Kyle" that he had a relationship with a woman and he lost her because of his... darkness, or madness, or whatever he said. Then he met Sally and had his family. I'm going to assume that the reporter girl's mother is this woman from the past relationship.

Damn fucking good episode though, I just finished watching it and I got crazy chills during that dinner scene... Might go rewatch it just for that...
Last.Midnight
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia906 Posts
November 26 2009 00:16 GMT
#766
I've watched this episode like 9 times. The whole dinner scene is so fucking amazing... it's downright disturbing. And Michael C. Hall can be fucking terrifying when he needs to be.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
November 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#767
+ Show Spoiler +
"hi dad"

HOLY FUCK!
It's ridiculous how they made a huge and stunning plot twist with a simple setting and a simple line. The acting was ridiculous, when I first saw who the Trinity Killer was, I was like no way, seriously John Lithgow? But he turned out to be the right actor for this, his character is so believable.
Sullifam
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
November 26 2009 04:39 GMT
#768
On November 25 2009 08:40 Fraidnot wrote:
Dexter cares for others, just not the way a normal person does. He was obviously sickened by the way trinity's family was treated and risked exposing himself when he attacked Trinity. If he didn't care about others he wouldn't have done anything.

Dexter lives as a sociopath by a code. It may be a screwed up code, but he still thinks somethings are right and somethings are wrong like most people. Unlike most people though he just doesn't apply that to his actions mostly because he's living by a code that justifies them. Dexter murders murderers, and has no problem doing that despite the obvious problems with that logic, but as soon as he finds out that a photographer was an innocent he shows remorse.

Really Dexter is similar to a guy who feels no guilt when going for a married woman or a cop who pockets cash at a crime scene. As long as it is "ok" in there view of morality, anything is justified. So you don't feel bad when you have to kill your best friend if he steps across the line, or about lying and deceiving your friends family and coworkers.


I don't think it's so much of his using logic as justification. I think he kills killers because his father impressed in him that it's more morally acceptable than killing innocents. He has the killer's impulse and will kill anyway, but keeping others from killing is a more constructive use of his 'dark passenger'. In a test, most people will opine that it's morally permissible to allow one person to die, in exchange for saving the life of two people (ignoring the Beethoven argument).
Sullifam
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 26 2009 11:06 GMT
#769
and 1 phrase launches this season into amazingness.. HI DAD FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCCCCCKKK

OK so she shot deb, rita is gonna confess cause that's her archetype and Dexter is gonna flip, Trinity vs Dex is now real game not just hunter vs prey.. FUCK YEAH

THis season got good folks.
ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
November 26 2009 11:41 GMT
#770
On November 25 2009 06:38 Mastermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 06:15 ShAsTa wrote:
On November 25 2009 05:00 7mk wrote:
On November 25 2009 03:49 ShAsTa wrote:
On November 25 2009 03:19 _rdm_ wrote:
one of the big themes of dexter is his own growth. Dexter has been changing from season one all the way until now. Learning about himself and become more of a "real" person. Hes developed emotions, picked up other priorities and a lot of episodes end with a remark about how dexter has changed. So i dont really think its unreasonable that the new dexter is a little less calm and collected with his emotions. Thats part of breaking free from the monster.

I agree, but I thought this growth would (for now) only be visible in his relationship with his family. I think it's way too soon to start caring about others(Jonah).

On November 24 2009 23:31 lastprobeALIVE wrote:
On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed.



i think dexter was worried about more than just what happened to his hand. dexter is there to cure problems not to make more!

Dexter's there to kill, not to help.


Do you have any clue what compassion is?

Dexter doesn't feel compassion. At least not for someone outside his family.

I disagree. Don't be suckered into believing everything in Dexter's inner monologue. Those are his thoughts, they arent necessarily the truth. Dexter thinks he doesnt have emotions because his dad brainwashed him into thinking that. The more times I watch the first 3 seasons the more I am convinced of this. Dexter has tried to help people since season 1. Just watch the 2 episodes that have the teenage male prostitute killer in them. He saves one of his victims in episode 3, then when the kid gets arrested in episode 7 he decides he is going to try to teach him to control his inner monster because he cares for the kid. The kid ends up killing himself before Dexter can help him.

I agree that in some monologues it's obvious that he thinks he has no emotions though he really does. Over the seasons he has shown more and more emotions. But I think these emotions are (for now) very basic and limited to his family. He kills because he needs to, not to help others or to carry out justice. You could say the scene with Jonah "proves" he tried to help him and thus showed compassion for others, but I think that step is too big seeing as he isn't even sure how he feels about his own family. That's how I see it. My hope is that at the end of the series the writers won't have taken this emotional growth too far and he wouldn't need to kill anymore.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Last.Midnight
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia906 Posts
November 26 2009 11:45 GMT
#771
I think Dexter was angry at himself for allowing Trinity to live for as long as he has. He's always cared deeply about preventing killers from killing, and that just struck a similar chord.
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore846 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-26 13:32:43
November 26 2009 13:31 GMT
#772
This is the best season imo, john lithgow is awsome as a villan, best villan so far.

Tho two things they could do without are the constant father appearences and the angel love story.

Along with other things mentioned i really like the tension caused by the neighbour/rita too.
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Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
November 26 2009 21:53 GMT
#773
On November 26 2009 13:39 ghostWriter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 08:40 Fraidnot wrote:
Dexter cares for others, just not the way a normal person does. He was obviously sickened by the way trinity's family was treated and risked exposing himself when he attacked Trinity. If he didn't care about others he wouldn't have done anything.

Dexter lives as a sociopath by a code. It may be a screwed up code, but he still thinks somethings are right and somethings are wrong like most people. Unlike most people though he just doesn't apply that to his actions mostly because he's living by a code that justifies them. Dexter murders murderers, and has no problem doing that despite the obvious problems with that logic, but as soon as he finds out that a photographer was an innocent he shows remorse.

Really Dexter is similar to a guy who feels no guilt when going for a married woman or a cop who pockets cash at a crime scene. As long as it is "ok" in there view of morality, anything is justified. So you don't feel bad when you have to kill your best friend if he steps across the line, or about lying and deceiving your friends family and coworkers.


I don't think it's so much of his using logic as justification. I think he kills killers because his father impressed in him that it's more morally acceptable than killing innocents. He has the killer's impulse and will kill anyway, but keeping others from killing is a more constructive use of his 'dark passenger'. In a test, most people will opine that it's morally permissible to allow one person to die, in exchange for saving the life of two people (ignoring the Beethoven argument).

So you believe Dexter would kill innocent people if he ever ran out of trinities and prados?
yhnmk
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada630 Posts
November 26 2009 22:06 GMT
#774
On November 27 2009 06:53 Fraidnot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 13:39 ghostWriter wrote:
On November 25 2009 08:40 Fraidnot wrote:
Dexter cares for others, just not the way a normal person does. He was obviously sickened by the way trinity's family was treated and risked exposing himself when he attacked Trinity. If he didn't care about others he wouldn't have done anything.

Dexter lives as a sociopath by a code. It may be a screwed up code, but he still thinks somethings are right and somethings are wrong like most people. Unlike most people though he just doesn't apply that to his actions mostly because he's living by a code that justifies them. Dexter murders murderers, and has no problem doing that despite the obvious problems with that logic, but as soon as he finds out that a photographer was an innocent he shows remorse.

Really Dexter is similar to a guy who feels no guilt when going for a married woman or a cop who pockets cash at a crime scene. As long as it is "ok" in there view of morality, anything is justified. So you don't feel bad when you have to kill your best friend if he steps across the line, or about lying and deceiving your friends family and coworkers.


I don't think it's so much of his using logic as justification. I think he kills killers because his father impressed in him that it's more morally acceptable than killing innocents. He has the killer's impulse and will kill anyway, but keeping others from killing is a more constructive use of his 'dark passenger'. In a test, most people will opine that it's morally permissible to allow one person to die, in exchange for saving the life of two people (ignoring the Beethoven argument).

So you believe Dexter would kill innocent people if he ever ran out of trinities and prados?
I think Dexter would kill innocent people if any event showed him abandoning Harry's code was OK.

On that note, thats one thing I dont like. How many ep's ended with dexter saying it was "his code" now and he was going to change it the way he saw fit, become his own man etc? A lot. What has he changed in the code? Nothing...lol.

Anyways, Dexters a mission oriented serial killer. I can conceive of him changing his mission so to speak, but it would have to be something big [and I dont think the show will take that route, just that his character is dark enough that id be convinced if they DID do that].
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
November 27 2009 04:03 GMT
#775
On November 27 2009 06:53 Fraidnot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2009 13:39 ghostWriter wrote:
On November 25 2009 08:40 Fraidnot wrote:
Dexter cares for others, just not the way a normal person does. He was obviously sickened by the way trinity's family was treated and risked exposing himself when he attacked Trinity. If he didn't care about others he wouldn't have done anything.

Dexter lives as a sociopath by a code. It may be a screwed up code, but he still thinks somethings are right and somethings are wrong like most people. Unlike most people though he just doesn't apply that to his actions mostly because he's living by a code that justifies them. Dexter murders murderers, and has no problem doing that despite the obvious problems with that logic, but as soon as he finds out that a photographer was an innocent he shows remorse.

Really Dexter is similar to a guy who feels no guilt when going for a married woman or a cop who pockets cash at a crime scene. As long as it is "ok" in there view of morality, anything is justified. So you don't feel bad when you have to kill your best friend if he steps across the line, or about lying and deceiving your friends family and coworkers.


I don't think it's so much of his using logic as justification. I think he kills killers because his father impressed in him that it's more morally acceptable than killing innocents. He has the killer's impulse and will kill anyway, but keeping others from killing is a more constructive use of his 'dark passenger'. In a test, most people will opine that it's morally permissible to allow one person to die, in exchange for saving the life of two people (ignoring the Beethoven argument).

So you believe Dexter would kill innocent people if he ever ran out of trinities and prados?


Possibly, but are you kidding me? There are always going to be killers out there for Dexter to murder, especially in a huge city like Miami.
Sullifam
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
November 28 2009 16:52 GMT
#776
On November 27 2009 13:03 ghostWriter wrote:
Possibly, but are you kidding me? There are always going to be killers out there for Dexter to murder, especially in a huge city like Miami.


Of course, running out of killers is purely theoretical. I've watched CSI Miami, that place is going to be a criminal cesspool until the day it sinks back under the ocean.
horang3
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
November 28 2009 17:21 GMT
#777
On November 25 2009 12:45 Last.Midnight wrote:
Masuka fucking rules. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Holy shit @ the ending.

Lol I love Masuka. I remember that episode where nobody wanted to come see him speak and he was all sad. That really made him from a joke character into somebody real who just happens to be hilarious.
Do great work
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 28 2009 17:31 GMT
#778
On November 29 2009 02:21 horang3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 12:45 Last.Midnight wrote:
Masuka fucking rules. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Holy shit @ the ending.

Lol I love Masuka. I remember that episode where nobody wanted to come see him speak and he was all sad. That really made him from a joke character into somebody real who just happens to be hilarious.


Yeah he's kinda coming into his own lately. I never thought he was really considered anyone's friend, just the guy who made obscene comments all the time.
AtlaS
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1001 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-28 21:15:58
November 28 2009 17:31 GMT
#779
Just watched it and all I can say is
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi Dad


I fucking shat myself when that happened. I was sure he was just going to start a new cycle by killing her.

+ Show Spoiler +
Promo trailer for next episode:+ Show Spoiler +
They mentioned that trinity has a 4th kill in his cycle that he buries in cement. I'm really curious to see if the daughter has some sort of a cycle too?
Idk, this season just went from meh to OMFG. When he puts a belt around Trinity's neck and drags him into the kitchen? What an intense fucking scene. SO GOOD
I don't have mono anymore. Woooo!
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
November 28 2009 18:05 GMT
#780
On November 29 2009 02:31 AtlaS wrote:
Just watched it and all I can say is
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi Dad


I fucking shat myself when that happened. I was sure he was just going to start a new cycle by killing her.

+ Show Spoiler +
They mentioned that trinity has a 4th kill in his cycle that he buries in cement. I'm really curious to see if the daughter has some sort of a cycle too? Idk, this season just went from meh, OMFG. When he puts a belt around Trinity's neck and drags him into the kitchen? What an intense fucking scene. SO GOOD


When did they mention that? I must of missed it.
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