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On November 24 2009 11:17 BlackJack wrote:
I'll get more excited about the ending of the last episode if they tie everything together in a way that makes sense. Just because she is his daughter doesn't mean anything to me.
Exactly, you are excited because you realize, whatever the fuck happens next it will be the most amazing thing since multiple orgasms were discovered in 1969.
Or was that the moon landing?
Whatever, either way it was awesome.
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Oh and the thing I am most wondering about is does she know that her dad is a serial killer? While we now know they are related there was no real mention to whether they ACTUALLY know about each others dark side.
While we do thing she did it to protect her dad, which seems like a logical assumption we also see in the preview for the next episode that she calls Trinity saying that she thinks she might be in trouble because Deb is getting suspicious.
Its just the wording of how she said it, like she was about to reveal that she killed Lundy to Trinity, which he probably would of already known that she killed him if she was indeed protecting him.
So much to think about <3
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MURICA15980 Posts
Well it was pretty clear it was the reporter who shot Deb when Deb called Quin. I'm pretty sure she's in on Trinity's dark side...
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On November 24 2009 15:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and the thing I am most wondering about is does she know that her dad is a serial killer? While we now know they are related there was no real mention to whether they ACTUALLY know about each others dark side.
I think it would be ridiculous if she doesn't know that her dad is a serial killer. Then she killed Lundy just for the story and that's pretty retarded for like a 60k/year salary. I assume the writers know what they are doing since they've had this plotline running since day 1. I just hope they won't pull some stupid "serial killer gene" crap, and I am confident that they won't.
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Yeah she has to know. I also think that it's partly for her father that she's been hooking up with Quinn/trying to find out anything she can about what Miami metro's up to.
The writers tricked us pretty good with showing her tits every episode, making it look like the reason she was getting so much screen time was just to be the naked chick. :p
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I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed.
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If you watch the preview, Trinity called his daughter a "bitch" because Deb accused her and she asked for his help.
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On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed.
i think dexter was worried about more than just what happened to his hand. dexter is there to cure problems not to make more!
edit: this episode was really good, im excited to see whats going to happen. it seems like dexter is getting himself too involved with knowing the trinity killers family.
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China3334 Posts
OMG, seriously I should have never watched Dexter before I sleep. What a brilliant episode! Now I'm too excited to sleep!!!
For a second, I was worried that Vince may go into Dexter's little shelter in the backyard and find the blood slides. Vince is more vigilant than others regarding these things.
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I wonder when Rita will find some of Dexter's tools and things. It's bound to happen eventually, and he acts so weird about it all the time that she's gotta suspect something. I'm not sure I've actually ever seen an air conditioned shed before either, it looks like its just for storing things, why would it need to be cooled???
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On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed.
The reporter has met Dexter though, it's not long now until Trinity finds out who Kyle really is.
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one of the big themes of dexter is his own growth. Dexter has been changing from season one all the way until now. Learning about himself and become more of a "real" person. Hes developed emotions, picked up other priorities and a lot of episodes end with a remark about how dexter has changed. So i dont really think its unreasonable that the new dexter is a little less calm and collected with his emotions. Thats part of breaking free from the monster. 
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On November 25 2009 03:19 _rdm_ wrote:one of the big themes of dexter is his own growth. Dexter has been changing from season one all the way until now. Learning about himself and become more of a "real" person. Hes developed emotions, picked up other priorities and a lot of episodes end with a remark about how dexter has changed. So i dont really think its unreasonable that the new dexter is a little less calm and collected with his emotions. Thats part of breaking free from the monster.
I agree, but I thought this growth would (for now) only be visible in his relationship with his family. I think it's way too soon to start caring about others(Jonah).
On November 24 2009 23:31 lastprobeALIVE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed. i think dexter was worried about more than just what happened to his hand. dexter is there to cure problems not to make more!
Dexter's there to kill, not to help.
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I just realised something.
How did Trinity learn about Lundy? Via the news article Christine wrote, that means she did not tell him herself... to me that makes it seem like she and her dad arent that close.
I didn't watch the preview for next week though.
On November 25 2009 03:49 ShAsTa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 03:19 _rdm_ wrote:one of the big themes of dexter is his own growth. Dexter has been changing from season one all the way until now. Learning about himself and become more of a "real" person. Hes developed emotions, picked up other priorities and a lot of episodes end with a remark about how dexter has changed. So i dont really think its unreasonable that the new dexter is a little less calm and collected with his emotions. Thats part of breaking free from the monster. I agree, but I thought this growth would (for now) only be visible in his relationship with his family. I think it's way too soon to start caring about others(Jonah). Show nested quote +On November 24 2009 23:31 lastprobeALIVE wrote:On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed. i think dexter was worried about more than just what happened to his hand. dexter is there to cure problems not to make more! Dexter's there to kill, not to help.
Do you have any clue what compassion is?
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Canada5565 Posts
really really good episode, much better season than 3
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On November 25 2009 05:00 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 03:49 ShAsTa wrote:On November 25 2009 03:19 _rdm_ wrote:one of the big themes of dexter is his own growth. Dexter has been changing from season one all the way until now. Learning about himself and become more of a "real" person. Hes developed emotions, picked up other priorities and a lot of episodes end with a remark about how dexter has changed. So i dont really think its unreasonable that the new dexter is a little less calm and collected with his emotions. Thats part of breaking free from the monster. I agree, but I thought this growth would (for now) only be visible in his relationship with his family. I think it's way too soon to start caring about others(Jonah). On November 24 2009 23:31 lastprobeALIVE wrote:On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed. i think dexter was worried about more than just what happened to his hand. dexter is there to cure problems not to make more! Dexter's there to kill, not to help. Do you have any clue what compassion is?
Dexter doesn't feel compassion. At least not for someone outside his family.
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On November 25 2009 06:15 ShAsTa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 05:00 7mk wrote:On November 25 2009 03:49 ShAsTa wrote:On November 25 2009 03:19 _rdm_ wrote:one of the big themes of dexter is his own growth. Dexter has been changing from season one all the way until now. Learning about himself and become more of a "real" person. Hes developed emotions, picked up other priorities and a lot of episodes end with a remark about how dexter has changed. So i dont really think its unreasonable that the new dexter is a little less calm and collected with his emotions. Thats part of breaking free from the monster. I agree, but I thought this growth would (for now) only be visible in his relationship with his family. I think it's way too soon to start caring about others(Jonah). On November 24 2009 23:31 lastprobeALIVE wrote:On November 24 2009 22:35 ShAsTa wrote:
I don't find the whole dad thing such a big deal really. Yes, it changes everything but i don't think it's mindblowing. And as has been said earlier, I can't believe Dexter left Trinity's house after letting everyone there know he wants to kill Trinity. I also don't understand why he stayed after seeing Jonah's hand. Who gives a shit about Jonah? He should've gone home and fixed his shed. i think dexter was worried about more than just what happened to his hand. dexter is there to cure problems not to make more! Dexter's there to kill, not to help. Do you have any clue what compassion is? Dexter doesn't feel compassion. At least not for someone outside his family.
I disagree. Don't be suckered into believing everything in Dexter's inner monologue. Those are his thoughts, they arent necessarily the truth. Dexter thinks he doesnt have emotions because his dad brainwashed him into thinking that. The more times I watch the first 3 seasons the more I am convinced of this. Dexter has tried to help people since season 1. Just watch the 2 episodes that have the teenage male prostitute killer in them. He saves one of his victims in episode 3, then when the kid gets arrested in episode 7 he decides he is going to try to teach him to control his inner monster because he cares for the kid. The kid ends up killing himself before Dexter can help him.
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I dont think he cares for other people, outside of maybe his family. At best I think he feels the intellectual need to kind of, bring about his old dynamic with harry, only he being harry and another being him. Except in the case of trinity obviously, where he was more in awe and learning from trinity than miguel and all the others were learning from dexter. And in that sense, in that he wants to bring about that same relationship, fulfilling that compulsion, he cares for the person. But its a limited sense of caring. He doesn't grieve. He killed Miguel, who was a friend, no biggie. He moved on. Someone with a true capacity to feel emotional depth would be more effected. His emotional trauma is greater than just "brainwashing" by his father. Remember, the whole process started by his father finding out he killed animals, which is a clear sign of sociopathic behaviour.
Dexter is a sociopath, but hes complex. Hell, like most sociopaths. There this whole notion that any serial killer is just a single minded murdering machine but its not really true. BTK killer showed real affection to his family, ted bundy saved a drowning child and helped on suicide hotline. I mean maybe you could make the argument some of these actions were just cover ups, but im inclined to believe that though killers have less emotional depth, and a great inability to feel guilt etc, they are still a more complete person than the media portrays them all. With the capacity to look for relationships, etc, even if in a broken/self serving manner. And I think Dexter reflects that pretty well, in all the killers.
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This is an interesting discussion, I dont think dexter has no emotions, he just has big troubles with them.
He can feel sympathy, and understand it, but he has really really low empathy
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Dexter cares for others, just not the way a normal person does. He was obviously sickened by the way trinity's family was treated and risked exposing himself when he attacked Trinity. If he didn't care about others he wouldn't have done anything.
Dexter lives as a sociopath by a code. It may be a screwed up code, but he still thinks somethings are right and somethings are wrong like most people. Unlike most people though he just doesn't apply that to his actions mostly because he's living by a code that justifies them. Dexter murders murderers, and has no problem doing that despite the obvious problems with that logic, but as soon as he finds out that a photographer was an innocent he shows remorse.
Really Dexter is similar to a guy who feels no guilt when going for a married woman or a cop who pockets cash at a crime scene. As long as it is "ok" in there view of morality, anything is justified. So you don't feel bad when you have to kill your best friend if he steps across the line, or about lying and deceiving your friends family and coworkers.
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