EPTDexter wasn't ever about the overarching plot. I mean sure, we wanted to see if he got caught or killed, but it was always about the characters and how Dexter interacted with the world around him whilst being a monster in human skin. Then they changed that, and not for the better.
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Dexter wasn't ever about the overarching plot. I mean sure, we wanted to see if he got caught or killed, but it was always about the characters and how Dexter interacted with the world around him whilst being a monster in human skin. Then they changed that, and not for the better. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
I know she probably won't but god dayum she is hands down my least favorite character EVER. She is childish, constantly whines, and I can't fucking stand her. anyway. don't want to stick around for fear of spoilers but I needed to vocalize my hatred for Dexter's dumb son of a bitch sister. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
I think s3 is alright, it just didn't fit awkwardly sandwiched between s2 and s4 which were much more dynamic in terms of the series development. s3 did try to introduce the idea of Dexter having a friend that knew what he truly was and some development in Dexter's relationship with Rita. Oh and I might be wrong, but wasn't s3 also where Dexter began to manifest Ghost Harry in his mind? Back when it was a clever way to illustrate the principles he instilled in Dexter and not a nonsensical plot element to disrespect the viewer's intelligence (like it is in s8 xD). | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On September 18 2013 19:35 True_Spike wrote: That's what he implies - all the lovey dovey bullshit and unnecessary side plots are the product of the female mind, apparently. And btw, the only writers that worked on the first season *and* the last one are Tim Schlattmann and Lauren Gussis. You do have to keep in mind that the first season's script was an adaptation of the book and the second season might have been just pure luck on their part (you know, a one time wonder). I'm pretty sure that's not what's being implied. Pretty sure they mean that they only got the writing job because they're attractive women and not because they had skills. I may be misreading it, but I'm pretty sure they weren't saying that all women are bad writers. | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On September 18 2013 23:08 Yonnua wrote: I'm pretty sure that's not what's being implied. Pretty sure they mean that they only got the writing job because they're attractive women and not because they had skills. I may be misreading it, but I'm pretty sure they weren't saying that all women are bad writers. Of course not all female writers are bad, as not all women who drives car suck at it etc. But generally, and the focus of the writing, seems more "female talk and cries through their shit, while men find solutions". Although in the real world I dont find this wrong in any sense, I do think this can cause different writing based on gender. Yes got damn it, I want a scapegoat. How can something go so horrible wrong as Dexter have.. lol | ||
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dwoobydoo
49 Posts
On September 18 2013 23:08 Yonnua wrote: I'm pretty sure that's not what's being implied. Pretty sure they mean that they only got the writing job because they're attractive women and not because they had skills. I may be misreading it, but I'm pretty sure they weren't saying that all women are bad writers. Quite so. Just look at the guy in the middle, being surrounded by women I'm sure he wouldn't mind banging. He might have had a say or two in the hiring process. Also, when I think of a good writer I tend not to picture someone who would look comfortable tapping away at the keys of a Macbook in a cafe, pausing now and then to take pictures to upload on Instagram. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
- overall very weak - this is how Dexter would be if it wasn't aired on cable TV - a train to nowhere (I'm still pretty fucking annoyed by ths) - Lack of main storyline - Miguel was a weak substitute for Lyla (Lyla rocked btw, you haters), and became very annoying very fast - Was skinner supposed to be the main storyline? They didn't even care about him for 3/4 part of the season, they just mentioned him over and over again, there wasn'T even any pre-built tension between him and Dex. - anti-climatic last fight (thank God I only remember Dex being tied up in a warehouse) - Debra whoring out. Well, little did I know it was actually character building, so she can be an established prostitute by season 8. - Yuki. (Don't remember? It's fine, take your time! She's a pretty good example that Dexter had some dumb writers back then as well) - Quinn survives the season. They kill off all the great characters, but this guy, who could pose as a painting and you'd never notice he's actually a human being, stays, and acts like he's big shit, and so very smart at the same time. - I was very close dropping the series, but I was told s4 is very very good, so I suffered through it. Yeah, if you liked Miguel, you could certainly get by with the season, but even then, you have to see what a complete disaster this season was. As much as we like character developement, is it really a good show, where you spend 44 minutes tearing your hair out, just so you can enjoy (or as for me, not hate) 6 minutes of it? That season could be taught in media schools, as an example how to fuck up something. (Season 8 is different, because S3 only looks terrible if you want real quality, like s1-2, S8 is just plain shit, you don't have to compare it to the golden age of this show to see that) Imo s1-s2-s4-s5-s7-and a whole new s8. Though in my dream world, Rita - best thing ever happened to the show - never died, but I will explain it after the finale. Oh, and thanks for that reddit thread, it's interesting, and I'm looking forward to his ending as well! | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On September 18 2013 23:59 dwoobydoo wrote: Quite so. Just look at the guy in the middle, being surrounded by women I'm sure he wouldn't mind banging. He might have had a say or two in the hiring process. Also, when I think of a good writer I tend not to picture someone who would look comfortable tapping away at the keys of a Macbook in a cafe, pausing now and then to take pictures to upload on Instagram. They aren't in a cafe. As for making assumption on why the script sucks based on a picture of 6 strangers, it's beyond ridiculous. | ||
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dwoobydoo
49 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:30 rezoacken wrote: They aren't in a cafe. As for making assumption on why the script sucks based on a picture of 6 strangers, it's beyond ridiculous. Never said they were. I think it's a good thing to make assumptions when it's so obviously the truth. But enjoy the show, I guess. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On September 19 2013 00:07 Volband wrote: Seriously, why would you want s3 to exist? The concept of Miguel was not that terrible, I agree, but the whole season had some very serious issues. I've been doing everything to erase my memory regarding it, but now I'll look up my review I did after finishing it. According to it... - overall very weak - this is how Dexter would be if it wasn't aired on cable TV - a train to nowhere (I'm still pretty fucking annoyed by ths) - Lack of main storyline - Miguel was a weak substitute for Lyla (Lyla rocked btw, you haters), and became very annoying very fast - Was skinner supposed to be the main storyline? They didn't even care about him for 3/4 part of the season, they just mentioned him over and over again, there wasn'T even any pre-built tension between him and Dex. - anti-climatic last fight (thank God I only remember Dex being tied up in a warehouse) - Debra whoring out. Well, little did I know it was actually character building, so she can be an established prostitute by season 8. - Yuki. (Don't remember? It's fine, take your time! She's a pretty good example that Dexter had some dumb writers back then as well) - Quinn survives the season. They kill off all the great characters, but this guy, who could pose as a painting and you'd never notice he's actually a human being, stays, and acts like he's big shit, and so very smart at the same time. - I was very close dropping the series, but I was told s4 is very very good, so I suffered through it. Yeah, if you liked Miguel, you could certainly get by with the season, but even then, you have to see what a complete disaster this season was. As much as we like character developement, is it really a good show, where you spend 44 minutes tearing your hair out, just so you can enjoy (or as for me, not hate) 6 minutes of it? That season could be taught in media schools, as an example how to fuck up something. (Season 8 is different, because S3 only looks terrible if you want real quality, like s1-2, S8 is just plain shit, you don't have to compare it to the golden age of this show to see that) Imo s1-s2-s4-s5-s7-and a whole new s8. Though in my dream world, Rita - best thing ever happened to the show - never died, but I will explain it after the finale. Oh, and thanks for that reddit thread, it's interesting, and I'm looking forward to his ending as well! I personally found Rita very boring. Hannah and Lyla both aweesome though. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Hannah's arc was dumb because it was like "I'm going to kill you because that's what I do" "Oh wait no Imma fuck you instead lol" "Now I love you and shit even when you try to kill my sister and clearly are cray" "Lol now I don't need to kill anymore" The writing level of inter-character relationships took a harsh nosedive. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:01 Requizen wrote: Rita was interesting as a love interest because their relationship actually showed Dexter growing to love her and how he changed as she became part of his life. Hannah's arc was dumb because it was like "I'm going to kill you because that's what I do" "Oh wait no Imma fuck you instead lol" "Now I love you and shit even when you try to kill my sister and clearly are cray" "Lol now I don't need to kill anymore" The writing level of inter-character relationships took a harsh nosedive. If they swapped the actresses for Rita/Hannah I would have enjoyed Rita a lot more. I have to admit Yvonne had me booty blind last season. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:01 Requizen wrote: "Now I love you and shit even when you try to kill my sister and clearly are cray" Cray? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:15 Kuja900 wrote: If they swapped the actresses for Rita/Hannah I would have enjoyed Rita a lot more. I have to admit Yvonne had me booty blind last season. Yvonne clearly too femme fatale for Rita's character :D | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 19 2013 05:15 Kuja900 wrote: If they swapped the actresses for Rita/Hannah I would have enjoyed Rita a lot more. I have to admit Yvonne had me booty blind last season. Are you serious when you say Yvonne would've made a better Rita, than Julie Benz? No doubt, that Yvonne is all kinds of sexy, with her perfect body and whatnot, and as much as I'm a fan of Julie, there's absolutely no contest in hotness. ... but Julia - as Rita - was everything Hannah couldn't even dream of. It's amazing how they managed to grow Dex and Rita as a couple. I remember some of the very first scenes between them: Dex was talking about how he needed a woman to make his fake-life more believable, while Rita, the used and abused, mentally and physically wrecked woman was watching TV next to him. Dexter had absolutely no idea what he should do in a relationship, and especially not with someone like Rita, who has serious issues herself. It wasn't a relationship where Dexter hopped in once in a while to have sex with Rita, he was just there for the sake of it. "- Where were you last night? - With my girlfriend!", that's all he needed, only Rita tried to make it work, but her self-esteem was below a homeless guy's. They were truly miserable, I felt awkward watching it... like seriously, talk to each other, make out, argue, do something! Now jump to season 4, and take a good look at them - they are two - almost - completely different people, who... enjoy life and each other. Rita is a strong and happy woman, and Dexter is a happy father, who doesn't fake his smiles when around his family. It sounds bizarre, but the writing team worked pretty hard on it, to not feel forced, or artificial. It just happened... their relationship was slowly but surely taking some baby steps, shaping the two characters along the way. Dexter's "omg I changed!" monologues came loooooong after he actually changed, not like in S8, where he's about to do something that would change him, but he's already so pumped up, that he can't talk about anything else. Except for killing Saxon, but then he doesn't kill him, so yeah... what??? Anyway, you get what I'm saying. Why do I think Lyla was awesome in season 2? Well, pretty easy to answer: Rita. Lyla >>>>>> Hannah by miles, in terms of introducing a new kind of love in Dex's life. Yeah-yeah, Hannah is much more idolized, the writers do everything to make us think she's the perfect fit for Dexter, but why do I care about for the perfect fit? I want flawed people, with flawed relationship, I've seen enough romantic bullshit, to be bored with perfect matches. Lyla understood Dex, but she was way too crazy, and actually used him for her own needs, without Dexter realizing it. It was interesting, Dexter was introduced to the power of love, and how vulnerable it makes him. It's pretty cool, especially if you think about it, because he ended up loving Rita anyway, he basically said "yes, I tear out a hole on my bulletproof vest, but it's worth it, because this woman worth so much that I'm willing to put my life in danger for her". These moments made this show fucking amazing, when it made something perfect from imperfectness. When the characters picked up the pieces along the way to make a much more beautiful, bigger picture, they ever dreamed or thought to make. What is Hannah now, compared to this? What are her flaws? Killing people? Like Dexter gives a shit about it, he does the same; from Dexter's view it's actually hot, he feels that she's someone like him, of course he wants to love him. Why is it interesting, really? You're a psycopath, I'm a psycopath, let's go to Argentina! They are a nice fit, I guess, but nothing interesting. Show me a guy who thinks Quinn is the most retarded entity in the history of televison, and we'll be best friends forever, but show me someone who thinks he was a great addition to the show, and he is the one carrying the series on his back, and trust me, if you ever see me hanging out with that guy, it will have a much more interesting - and honest - story behind it. Also, Lyla was different than Hannah, because she was not idolized. Hannah is just too perfect for Dexter (especially in s8, at least in 7 she was a human being with some flaws, now she's just pure perfectness, an angel who descended to Earth), frickin boring. Lyla wanted to creater a real monster from him, she was very selfish, she was just as much his enemy as his love(r). Meh, I like Hannah, but comparing her to - out of all the past love interests - RITA is just... I don't know man... I guess some people do like Quinn after all... | ||
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FluffyBinLaden
United States527 Posts
It's a slang term for crazy. Only God knows why it's just lost a letter. >.> | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Amazing writing. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On September 19 2013 04:37 dwoobydoo wrote: Never said they were. I think it's a good thing to make assumptions when it's so obviously the truth. But enjoy the show, I guess. Don't be stupid, if you go back a handful of post I think the show is garbage. But assuming stuff based on a photo is just a new low in ridiculousness. And it's "obviously the truth"... I just not have enve enough hands to facepalm at such a stupid comment. Where you burning witches based on how they dress in another life or something ? | ||
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crappen
Norway1546 Posts
On September 19 2013 10:35 rezoacken wrote: Don't be stupid, if you go back a handful of post I think the show is garbage. But assuming stuff based on a photo is just a new low in ridiculousness. And it's "obviously the truth"... I just not have enve enough hands to facepalm at such a stupid comment. Where you burning witches based on how they dress in another life or something ? I am banging based on how they dress. We're (me atleast) still crazy today, although not so brutal as to burn and kill. I for one, am still being hugely affected by appearances and generalization. Often I'm greatly awarded when I try new things outside of this box. Point is, no need to facepalm so easily ^^ | ||
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