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yeabuddy
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 14 2013 18:45 Sejanus wrote:It reminds me Asterix & Obelix: Mission Cleopatra, the scene where Obelix climbs up the Sphynx... Oh, well that explains everything. | ||
micronesia
United States24771 Posts
On September 14 2013 18:45 Sejanus wrote: @ micronesia: you miss the point completely. The issue is not whether the scene can be justified logically, analyzing it afterwards. the point is whether the scene felt realistic and believable at the time we were watching it. I don't see a big difference here like you seem to. If the scene made logical sense, in the absence of a pattern as compared to other scenes (which I'm not necessarily claiming) I don't see how the scene is so unbelievable. The argument that there are too many things like this which, when combined, are too convenient, is not one I would argue with... but that's not the argument I see. I see that the scene is god awful, which I still don't get. I definitely agree the acting was worse than it could have been. edit: I think I see where the difference in opinion comes from... when I watch a tv show I try to suspend my disbelief and forget that I'm watching something put together by actors and directors. Some of you guys don't... you view shows from a perspective of 'this is a tv show with writing to be critical of and actors to make fun of' which is quite unfortunate when you look at how much it can decrease your enjoyment. So many people in this thread seem to be miserable as they watch and discuss Dexter in the recent seasons. A tv show that you elect to watch should not make you miserable. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
I just felt like there was so much hate going on that I was being mindlessly uncritical, I showed some mates this thread and they seemed to be of the same mind as me though / enjoying dexter this season despite a few minor shortcomings so idk. | ||
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mataxp
Chile538 Posts
On September 14 2013 22:48 micronesia wrote: I don't see a big difference here like you seem to. If the scene made logical sense, in the absence of a pattern as compared to other scenes (which I'm not necessarily claiming) I don't see how the scene is so unbelievable. The argument that there are too many things like this which, when combined, are too convenient, is not one I would argue with... but that's not the argument I see. I see that the scene is god awful, which I still don't get. I definitely agree the acting was worse than it could have been. edit: I think I see where the difference in opinion comes from... when I watch a tv show I try to suspend my disbelief and forget that I'm watching something put together by actors and directors. Some of you guys don't... you view shows from a perspective of 'this is a tv show with writing to be critical of and actors to make fun of' which is quite unfortunate when you look at how much it can decrease your enjoyment. So many people in this thread seem to be miserable as they watch and discuss Dexter in the recent seasons. A tv show that you elect to watch should not make you miserable. No... just, no. Most of us, just for the sake of not saying everyone, tries to get immerse on what were are watching, otherwise, people wouldn't enjoy it, how could I possibly feel something of any kind constantly reminding myself that everyone is getting a paycheck at the end of the day. Thing is, scenes like that pulls you out of the immersion due to it's ridiculousness and lack of logic, compared to breaking bad, a lot of scenes are also so unlikely to happen but they don't pull you out at all of the immersion, why? because they are logical and believable to a necessary extent, that's the difference, we are not just jerks criticizing dexter just because we are haters, I personally hated the last episode with a passion because of all the harm that is causing to the show, couldn't watched with an straight face as much as I tried. Dam shame that I was a fan of this show for 7 years and it had to end like this... | ||
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micronesia
United States24771 Posts
On September 14 2013 23:24 mataxp wrote: No... just, no. Most of us, just for the sake of not saying everyone, tries to get immerse on what were are watching, otherwise, people wouldn't enjoy it, how could I possibly feel something of any kind constantly reminding myself that everyone is getting a paycheck at the end of the day. Thing is, scenes like that pulls you out of the immersion due to it's ridiculousness and lack of logic, compared to breaking bad, a lot of scenes are also so unlikely to happen but they don't pull you out at all of the immersion, why? because they are logical and believable to a necessary extent, that's the difference, we are not just jerks criticizing dexter just because we are haters, I personally hated the last episode with a passion because of all the harm that is causing to the show, couldn't watched with an straight face as much as I tried. Dam shame that I was a fan of this show for 7 years and it had to end like this... What you are saying is in a couple of places contradictory with what someone else I was discussing this with was saying... I can't very well explain my thoughts on the treadmill scene if four different people each start simultaneously disagreeing with me with different arguments/positions. This is too unorganized for any progress on any side. I will just generally stand by my claim that I personally didn't find the treadmill scene to pull me out of the show anymore than similar scenes from many other shows I watch that are generally considered good. I did not find it particularly illogical either. The acting was the biggest problem for me... laughing at Harrison's acting is understandable in my eyes (although the actor is just a kid, at least). I think many people in this thread have started going into the show in this season with an expectation of failure, and now it is going to happen, in their eyes, no matter what happens in the episode. Hopefully I'm wrong and the finale succeeds in blowing everyone away with how good it is. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
Don't worry, I've watched all 4 seasons myself, and I was among the ones who didn't complain, just silently enjoyed the show, but the difference is that PB was honest from the start. It told us right from the beginning that this show won't make any sense, and we better not use our brains. It worked for me, howewer Dexter was never meant to be a PB-copy. It's supposed to be much more serious and real, at least in terms of characters and common sense. Almost everyone in Dexter is a comedy of themselves, it's a pain to watch, but after investing sooo much time - and not to mention there was a time this show was actually pretty damn great -, I doubt people would just cancel it at the last season. To me (and most of us) that scene - and what followed it - was a joke, and I kinda seen it coming when Harrison was told at the beginning that he can't use the tread mill - how to write 101. It's the kind of scene most of us doesn't even want to argue about, because we are facepalming through our skull, and it's hard to believe someone can think it was fine. The whole thing was forced, and pretty unimaginative, and Hannah lost all of her braincells for a second, so that the storyline can continue. Like really, anyone who thinks things are fine with this show, when the writers have to not only come up with scenes like this, but piss on their characters just to get them from place A to place B... And it has nothing to do with watching it as a TV show or not. I mean, what's the difference between cursing the writers, for spitting on Hannah, or cursing Hannah, for being the stupidest human being on Earth? Well, I was kinda like you during the last season of Lost, my mind just refused to see the flaws, and I was like "well ,there's surely a reason for that!". In hindsight, there wasn't, but that didn't stop me from enjoying it, even the ending! | ||
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mataxp
Chile538 Posts
On September 14 2013 23:43 micronesia wrote: What you are saying is in a couple of places contradictory with what someone else I was discussing this with was saying... I can't very well explain my thoughts on the treadmill scene if four different people each start simultaneously disagreeing with me with different arguments/positions. This is too unorganized for any progress on any side. I will just generally stand by my claim that I personally didn't find the treadmill scene to pull me out of the show anymore than similar scenes from many other shows I watch that are generally considered good. I did not find it particularly illogical either. The acting was the biggest problem for me... laughing at Harrison's acting is understandable in my eyes (although the actor is just a kid, at least). I think many people in this thread have started going into the show in this season with an expectation of failure, and now it is going to happen, in their eyes, no matter what happens in the episode. Hopefully I'm wrong and the finale succeeds in blowing everyone away with how good it is. Fair enough mate, can totally respect, we have all have different opinions on the mater- Regarding to your last point though, and I can only speak for myself here, I wasn't expecting a failure, I was expecting greatness and seeing this season as a stand alone I would call it "Decent" "ok" but as it was supposed to be such an epic roller coaster, it end up being much less than I was expecting to, It ended up being a failure, but I certainly didn't expect that. Cheers. | ||
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Hellburn
Switzerland229 Posts
I understand the writter's obsession with blood as it is an important image and theme for the show, (Hannah wiping blood off of Harrisson is extremely symbolic). I'm just a bit mad because the scene could have been a lot better. Why use a treadmill ? Was it really necessary to introduce it beforehand? It feels a bit lazy from the writter's part, they introduce a random object that will never be talked about again just to create an issue. I would have preferred if Dexter was more to blame in the injury of his son, rather than just being unatainable, to show how he is losing control of the situation with Vogel's son. Harrisson playing with a knife that fell from Dexter's kill rack maybe? I don't know, i'm not going to pretend i'm good at script writing. Anyway, I can't think of many story-driven dramas that have lasted for many seasons and remained top notch (i'm sure you guys can), so I'm still fine watching the show just because, despite a change in quality, it's still the same show I loved to watch. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 15 2013 00:24 mataxp wrote: Regarding to your last point though, and I can only speak for myself here, I wasn't expecting a failure, I was expecting greatness and seeing this season as a stand alone I would call it "Decent" "ok" but as it was supposed to be such an epic roller coaster, it end up being much less than I was expecting to, It ended up being a failure, but I certainly didn't expect that. Cheers. I was expecting a manhunt after Dex (and possibly Debra) - led by someone badass, maybe Matthews -, with things falling apart episode by episode, while giving us a decent fan-service from the earlier seasons, like that episode with Doakes in the prev. season. Everyone complained about the S7 ending, but I stood up for it, hell, I even defended Debra! I was like "ooooooh yeah, it's going doooooown!!". But when I said that I didn't mean Harrison falling down from a tread mill, causing me an outburst of laughter. Sadly, based on the quality of writing so far, I think we all narrowed down the possibilities to 1, maybe 2 possible endings. Whatever, I saw in the trailer that (nothing serious) + Show Spoiler + Elway will be there, and he'll have a badass line Oh, and I want the very last scene of the series to be about the tread mill: the camera slowly approaches it, as someone tries to move it, but it suddenly turns on, and we hear an "AAARGHGGAAAA" and some ear-crushing violin eeeks. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On September 15 2013 00:41 Hellburn wrote: I get Mataxp's point. I'm generally completely immersed in a show.. until a scene like this happens. When Harrisson is bleeding like crazy and going "ow owowowow" it's not very believable, especially when the accident itself is pretty iffy. I understand the writter's obsession with blood as it is an important image and theme for the show, (Hannah wiping blood off of Harrisson is extremely symbolic). I'm just a bit mad because the scene could have been a lot better. Why use a treadmill ? Was it really necessary to introduce it beforehand? It feels a bit lazy from the writter's part, they introduce a random object that will never be talked about again just to create an issue. I would have preferred if Dexter was more to blame in the injury of his son, rather than just being unatainable, to show how he is losing control of the situation with Vogel's son. Harrisson playing with a knife that fell from Dexter's kill rack maybe? I don't know, i'm not going to pretend i'm good at script writing. Anyway, I can't think of many story-driven dramas that have lasted for many seasons and remained top notch (i'm sure you guys can), so I'm still fine watching the show just because, despite a change in quality, it's still the same show I loved to watch. Exactly, that would've showed the viewers that these current situations are chipping him away, and he can't maintain his dark passanger and his normal life at the same level, and ultimately ending up ruining both (sloppy knife placement and hurting a family member). Booom. But no, the writers rather give Dexter 20 monologues per episode, where he tells us about this, while the camera is fixed on him. I miss those times when I was actually surprised when I realised Dexter had changed, because, you know, he didn't have to stare into my eyes and tell me "I changed!", while revealing all his struggles that shuld be shown via actions and emotions, not a confession-like way. Compare the relationship between Dexter and Rita to E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G that happened with Dex this season. Edit: oops, forgot to edit into my prev. post:/ | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
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bOneSeven
Romania685 Posts
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On September 15 2013 20:30 bOneSeven wrote: Am I the only who feels like Dexter is horrible ? I mean, I know I'm basically cunty for criticizing people for actually a big amount of work....but the writing........holy shit man like really who did they hire to write this stuff ? It's actually so bad. The last 6 pages (at least) are basically "dexter suxxx waahhhh" or "lolmg dat treadmill scene so baaaaad", broken up by 2 or MAYBE 3 people thinking it was acceptable (including myself), so you're not the only one. Also it's nice to see someone use the word 'cunty' in exactly the same context as I do :') Approx how long until ep 11 airs btw? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On September 15 2013 00:41 Hellburn wrote: I get Mataxp's point. I'm generally completely immersed in a show.. until a scene like this happens. When Harrisson is bleeding like crazy and going "ow owowowow" it's not very believable, especially when the accident itself is pretty iffy. I understand the writter's obsession with blood as it is an important image and theme for the show, (Hannah wiping blood off of Harrisson is extremely symbolic). I'm just a bit mad because the scene could have been a lot better. Why use a treadmill ? Was it really necessary to introduce it beforehand? It feels a bit lazy from the writter's part, they introduce a random object that will never be talked about again just to create an issue. I would have preferred if Dexter was more to blame in the injury of his son, rather than just being unatainable, to show how he is losing control of the situation with Vogel's son. Harrisson playing with a knife that fell from Dexter's kill rack maybe? I don't know, i'm not going to pretend i'm good at script writing. Anyway, I can't think of many story-driven dramas that have lasted for many seasons and remained top notch (i'm sure you guys can), so I'm still fine watching the show just because, despite a change in quality, it's still the same show I loved to watch. I always felt that any story line driven show needs a set beginning and end point with a goal of how they are going to get there. When you do something like Dexter and just make up shit season after season, it might start off okay, but then you flounder without a goal and just start treading all over previously covered stories/issues. IE: There was an awkward dynamic where Dexter was 'evolving' and developing emotions/family into S4, and then they just broke that and turned him crazy again in S5, then when they introduced Hannah they went through it all again. It's just a senseless rollercoaster and it's kind of annoying and just shows a lack of direction. I'd look at a show like Breaking Bad to illustrate how as long as you have a goal and direction you can make an excellent show that keeps you driven and just keeps growing. Breaking Bad is absolutely incredible from a story telling stand point, and after season 5 when the story is complete it is done. This is another reason I enjoy 20-50 episode anime's. They have a set story they are telling regardless of the views and it ensures the quality of the product from beginning to end. | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On September 15 2013 20:30 bOneSeven wrote: Am I the only who feels like Dexter is horrible ? I mean, I know I'm basically cunty for criticizing people for actually a big amount of work....but the writing........holy shit man like really who did they hire to write this stuff ? It's actually so bad. Well I liked the last season a lot but this one has been really hard to sit through. Everything involving Vogel has been a total snoozefest and Dexter's fabricated notion of having to protect her is just really irritating. Hannah being my fantasy trophy wife helps though. Having writing this shitty and waiting so long to bring Hannah back in the fold was a mistake. Need hot girl on screen to make my brain turn off in regards to the plot and script. Too invested now though I have to finish this turd. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3051 Posts
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xkare
Germany140 Posts
On September 15 2013 23:25 Ayush_SCtoss wrote: The only thing that pisses me off is the fact that Dexter, Vogel and co. actually thought they killed the Brain Surgeon. Like wtf, he dismembers the head and carves out parts of the brain. He doesn't have a shoe/foot fetish like that other guy did. Not even the same MOs. Yes that really confused me why everyone was acting like they killed the brain surgeon when there was no evidence that he was the brain surgeon. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
It wasn't meant to explain anything, but I am glad it explained... something.. to you. when I watch a tv show I try to suspend my disbelief and forget that I'm watching something put together by actors and directors. Some of you guys don't... Yes that's precisely the point. We too suspend our disbelief, but at some point it becomes near impossible. For different people the point may be different. | ||
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Reason
United Kingdom2770 Posts
 Big time.Bad stuff happening with Hannah getting spotted towards the end has kinda psyched me up for the last few episodes though... The only way I can describe my personal bone to pick with this season is that nothing really important has happened. It's like reading a fast paced action novel that suddenly slows down in the last chapter with huge paragraphs of description of surroundings and objects, you'd be like wtf!?!?! Get back to business please. Still, I've really enjoyed this show and I can't wait for the last few episodes to come out to see what happens. | ||
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