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On July 06 2009 08:29 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 06:53 fanatacist wrote:On July 06 2009 05:39 travis wrote:On July 06 2009 04:20 fanatacist wrote:
3. Your point on genjutsu vs. shadow clones ignores a few very important aspects. One of which is that if Sasuke's abilities are beginning to rival Itachi's, he should be ableto cast genjutsu just as easily as Itachi - just a finger pointing at the target. Also, Itachi was fighting Kakashi while Naruto was under the genjutsu - in a one-on-one scenario, there won't be anyone to force the chakra into Naruto (and I don't remember the last time the kyuubi chakra saved him from genjutsu, can you remind me?) unless he made summons beforehand, and if Sasuke is smart and uses his speed on top of a surprise genjutsu attack, it could be over in a two-hit combo (genjutsu, chidori channel). Also, Itachi cast it before Naruto had a chance to do anything - this could easily happen again. it wasn't just a finger pointing naruto had to look at his ring, right? Well, from what I gathered in both the anime and manga, he said "I can cast genjutsu with just one finger [sic]" Although he did use the ring finger, I don't see why the ring was important, and it was never stated that Naruto actually looked at the finger (although I guess it would make sense for this to be the case). Whether or not the ring was the essential ingredient isn't certain; however, why wouldn't others be able to use their rings for the same purpose? I find it hard to believe that there is a genjutsu ring for Itachi and the others don't get anything of that sort. you're right actually I can't find anywhere that it specifically says that it is the ring. however... I still think it is  i think its no coincidence it's the ring finger. and think about it, akatsuki was started by madara - also a sharingan user. the others wouldn't be able to use it for the same purpose because they don't know how, im guessing. like akatsuki's robes, the rings are the same colors as the sharingan. not a coincidence i think. at least I like to think so haha
The rings are different colors for each user, but I do think it's interesting that you brought up Madara created Akatsuki and therefore Itachi gets benefits from the ring (hypothetically). However you have to consider the fact that as far as I remember, it is impossible to cast genjutsu with an inanimate object, or at least there have been absolutely 0 precedents to it. If it were to be the case, I think there would be more hype revolving around the power of the rings and etc. The fact that Kakashi, also a sharingan user who knows its strengths and uses even if he can't (or couldn't) use them to their full potential, didn't say anything deep and introspective about the ring or the casting of the genjutsu tells me that he completely expects/already knew that Itachi had that ability.
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On July 06 2009 08:33 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2009 08:21 Jayme wrote:On July 06 2009 07:52 Ace wrote:probably also because Naruto's beast also promising to kill him isn't too encouraging  It's a retarded plot hole that Kishimoto refuses to comment on. Think of it this way, the Yondaime is hailed as the seal master of seal masters. The guy was supposed to have nearly unparalleled mastery of sealing jutsu and the way they work so competence is not in question. Why is it then that other hidden villages have made seals that allow full and complete transformation without self harm while the Yondaime could not? Take Gaara, who had the shittiest seal of them all but was still able to bring out all of Shukaku's power at the loss of control. It never shortened his life span. Why is it that the seal master of all seal masters couldn't make a seal that would allow Naruto to draw on like a mere four tails without going ape shit berserk, it makes no damn sense. well from what I understand the fox isn't like the others in that it's chakra is all burny and shit. and it's supposed to be the most powerful, much more powerful than gaara's giant fag squirrel also how do you know that some of the other jinchurikis didn't go through a similar process that naruto has?
That's what I thought too, about the burning chakra. However, whenever the fox was shown in full-body form, it wasn't a flaming fox or anything, and I find it hard to imagine that it is burning when it is incomplete then extinguishes itself upon completion.
Although the fox could be a fire-element user, to the point where its chakra is all elemental chakra... However, I doubt this also because Naruto was able to extract pure power (the channeling of chakra from the fox during the chuunin exam, for example) without any of the burning side effects. So, I have to come to the conclusion that its the transformation itself that takes the toll on Naruto's body, which is once again inconsistent with any other jinchuriki. The reason we know that other jinchurikis don't have this problem is our experience with Gaara - when he was only partially transformed, he was not damaged at all. All other jinchurikis we've seen aside from them go to a complete transformation on command, and suffer none of the side-effects.
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Do not look at the following spoiler pic from the upcoming chapter if you are waiting for it. All I'm posting is a single image. I just LOL'd when I saw it.
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omg that is really freaking lame.
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On July 09 2009 09:34 TealLurker wrote:
Do not look at the following spoiler pic from the upcoming chapter if you are waiting for it. All I'm posting is a single image. I just LOL'd when I saw it.
ahhhhhhh!!
my eyes.
at least we get a half battle scene next chapter.
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here's a thought
what if... DANZO IS MANDARA? same eye, never show face, would make a lot of sense
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On July 09 2009 10:40 kNyTTyM wrote:
omg that is really freaking lame.
it's kinda lame...i'm hoping there is more to it...
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That is quite possibly the lamest plot twist I've ever encountered anywhere ever. If it's true.
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Is that spoiler confirmed? Kinda looks poorly drawn, and it doesn't make sense for him to reveal the sharingan so early into a battle like that, especially if its some kind of secret.
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ZOMG SASUKE PWNAGE !!!!! ZOMG
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If he's madara then it's suuuuuper lame because danzo looks all old and madara doesn't.
and there is a chapter where danzo looks much younger but at that time madara would still be old
I think it's more likely that when the uchiha was killed danzo got himself a sharingan
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wow did he really have to use it. we barely even know the guy.
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On July 09 2009 11:25 numLoCK wrote:
Is that spoiler confirmed? Kinda looks poorly drawn, and it doesn't make sense for him to reveal the sharingan so early into a battle like that, especially if its some kind of secret.
Yes, it has been confirmed. Credits to Ohana and UchihaAkimichi.
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50744
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