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On August 14 2012 10:22 whatever292 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:1) Obito awakened his sharingan with 2 tomoes in difference to most uchihas, that speaks volumes of his potential. WTF is a tomoe... and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception 2) Obito is now confirmed to have one of the most imba sharingans in both his eyes ever seen in the manga. granted remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Its not a plot hole. Sasuke must have repressed the whole thing and he didnt remember himself awakening it. Obito definetly didn't have a sharingan before since during the Kakashi chronicles he said a number of times about what would happen "once he awakens it". I never heard of the whole measuring ones potential with the number of tomoe during the initial awakening, is there anything in the manga to back that up?
No there is nothing in the manga saying that. However there is probably a reason why he awakened his sharingan with 2 instead of 1, to show potential in his eyes.
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On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:1) Obito awakened his sharingan with 2 tomoes in difference to most uchihas, that speaks volumes of his potential. WTF is a tomoe... and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception 2) Obito is now confirmed to have one of the most imba sharingans in both his eyes ever seen in the manga. granted remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu.
you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time
plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway
and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing
i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu
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On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:1) Obito awakened his sharingan with 2 tomoes in difference to most uchihas, that speaks volumes of his potential. WTF is a tomoe... and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception 2) Obito is now confirmed to have one of the most imba sharingans in both his eyes ever seen in the manga. granted remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu
So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo?
Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time?
Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan.
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On August 14 2012 10:46 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:
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WTF is a tomoe...
and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception
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granted
remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi
Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo? Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time? Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan.
Naruto wasnt fodder, his first mission he was critical to beating Zabuza by freeing Kakashi and kicked the snot out of the dude who tried to steal the scroll
and like i said, Summoning techniques are like the easiest Jutsu to learn the hard part is getting a contract and having enough Chakra to pull something important through which were both handed to Naruto through Jiraiya having the contract and the 9 tailed fox inside him supplying the Chakra
and Kakashi killed Obito just like Sasuke killed Itachi and Itachi killed Shisui you dont ahve to be the one to do the deed you jsut ahve to be the reason for there death, Kakashi caused Obito to die when he didnt immediately help himr escue rin/stop him from rescruing rin, Sasuke caused Itachi death when he went to fight him and Itachi caused Shisuis death by taking his last eye and possible even doing the deed himself
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On August 14 2012 11:13 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:46 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:[quote] A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo? Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time? Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan. Naruto wasnt fodder, his first mission he was critical to beating Zabuza by freeing Kakashi and kicked the snot out of the dude who tried to steal the scroll and like i said, Summoning techniques are like the easiest Jutsu to learn the hard part is getting a contract and having enough Chakra to pull something important through which were both handed to Naruto through Jiraiya having the contract and the 9 tailed fox inside him supplying the Chakra and Kakashi killed Obito just like Sasuke killed Itachi and Itachi killed Shisui you dont ahve to be the one to do the deed you jsut ahve to be the reason for there death, Kakashi caused Obito to die when he didnt immediately help himr escue rin/stop him from rescruing rin, Sasuke caused Itachi death when he went to fight him and Itachi caused Shisuis death by taking his last eye and possible even doing the deed himself
Well Kakashi got MS after the timeskip, he didn´t kill Obito during that timeskip, so he should have had it long time ago, but he didnt. He got it at the exact same time Tobi was about to show up in the manga.
Anyway, agree to disagree. Im still not sure Tobi is Obito myself, i think it is more likely that it is Obitos father or something like that.
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On August 14 2012 11:18 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 11:13 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:46 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:
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that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo? Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time? Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan. Naruto wasnt fodder, his first mission he was critical to beating Zabuza by freeing Kakashi and kicked the snot out of the dude who tried to steal the scroll and like i said, Summoning techniques are like the easiest Jutsu to learn the hard part is getting a contract and having enough Chakra to pull something important through which were both handed to Naruto through Jiraiya having the contract and the 9 tailed fox inside him supplying the Chakra and Kakashi killed Obito just like Sasuke killed Itachi and Itachi killed Shisui you dont ahve to be the one to do the deed you jsut ahve to be the reason for there death, Kakashi caused Obito to die when he didnt immediately help himr escue rin/stop him from rescruing rin, Sasuke caused Itachi death when he went to fight him and Itachi caused Shisuis death by taking his last eye and possible even doing the deed himself Well Kakashi got MS after the timeskip, he didn´t kill Obito during that timeskip, so he should have had it long time ago, but he didnt. He got it at the exact same time Tobi was about to show up in the manga. Anyway, agree to disagree. Im still not sure Tobi is Obito myself, i think it is more likely that it is Obitos father or something like that.
the first time he used it was agaisnt Deidara and it wasnt something he spontaneously had he ahd it before the time skip just never used it
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On August 14 2012 11:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 11:18 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 11:13 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:46 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:
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Are you saying the manga is wrong?
Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic)
This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge.
no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo? Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time? Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan. Naruto wasnt fodder, his first mission he was critical to beating Zabuza by freeing Kakashi and kicked the snot out of the dude who tried to steal the scroll and like i said, Summoning techniques are like the easiest Jutsu to learn the hard part is getting a contract and having enough Chakra to pull something important through which were both handed to Naruto through Jiraiya having the contract and the 9 tailed fox inside him supplying the Chakra and Kakashi killed Obito just like Sasuke killed Itachi and Itachi killed Shisui you dont ahve to be the one to do the deed you jsut ahve to be the reason for there death, Kakashi caused Obito to die when he didnt immediately help himr escue rin/stop him from rescruing rin, Sasuke caused Itachi death when he went to fight him and Itachi caused Shisuis death by taking his last eye and possible even doing the deed himself Well Kakashi got MS after the timeskip, he didn´t kill Obito during that timeskip, so he should have had it long time ago, but he didnt. He got it at the exact same time Tobi was about to show up in the manga. Anyway, agree to disagree. Im still not sure Tobi is Obito myself, i think it is more likely that it is Obitos father or something like that. the first time he used it was agaisnt Deidara and it wasnt something he spontaneously had he ahd it before the time skip just never used it
Kakashi actually states he has a new ability he wants to try out and then uses kamui.
So in short: No.
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On August 14 2012 10:46 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:
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WTF is a tomoe...
and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception
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granted
remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi
Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo? Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time? Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan.
Umm the reason Kishi hasn't shown Tobi's Mangekyo is because he is waiting to show it for the climax between him and Kakashi, I mean its already 99% confirmed that it's Obito's eye. We will probably see it in a colored page connecting with Kakashi's mangekyo or something like that.
Also, Kishi has abandoned the "killing best friend to gain MS" a long time ago. Itachi died of his own illness and Sasuke unlocked his MS by experiencing the losss of Itachi. It's also doubtful that Shisui killed anyone close to him, since he is hailed as the ultimate goody Uchiha by Itachi. Kishi doesn't know what hes even doing anymore, just making up whatever to please fans.
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On August 14 2012 11:36 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 11:28 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 11:18 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 11:13 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:46 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:40 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:
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no im saying its a plot hole
besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him
also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu. you cant go from snot nosed fodder little brat to Kage level in such an insanely short amount of time plus Obito never killed his best friend, Kakashi is still alive and well so no MS for him anyway and theres nothing in Obitos backstory to give him any motivation to do waht hes doing i wouldnt be surprised if Tobi is using the Sharingan as some sort of battery to power his own Ninjutsu So tell me this: Whom of Kakashis best friends did he kill during the timeskip from part 1 to part 2 in order to gain the mangekyo? Naruto was fodder and in 6 months he summoned gamabunta, are you telling me an Uchiha with the imba eyes of Obito would not be able to achieve some groundbreaking stuff in about 1-2 years time? Oh and btw, Tobi has never shown any mangekyo, just a normal 3 tomoe sharingan. Naruto wasnt fodder, his first mission he was critical to beating Zabuza by freeing Kakashi and kicked the snot out of the dude who tried to steal the scroll and like i said, Summoning techniques are like the easiest Jutsu to learn the hard part is getting a contract and having enough Chakra to pull something important through which were both handed to Naruto through Jiraiya having the contract and the 9 tailed fox inside him supplying the Chakra and Kakashi killed Obito just like Sasuke killed Itachi and Itachi killed Shisui you dont ahve to be the one to do the deed you jsut ahve to be the reason for there death, Kakashi caused Obito to die when he didnt immediately help himr escue rin/stop him from rescruing rin, Sasuke caused Itachi death when he went to fight him and Itachi caused Shisuis death by taking his last eye and possible even doing the deed himself Well Kakashi got MS after the timeskip, he didn´t kill Obito during that timeskip, so he should have had it long time ago, but he didnt. He got it at the exact same time Tobi was about to show up in the manga. Anyway, agree to disagree. Im still not sure Tobi is Obito myself, i think it is more likely that it is Obitos father or something like that. the first time he used it was agaisnt Deidara and it wasnt something he spontaneously had he ahd it before the time skip just never used it Kakashi actually states he has a new ability he wants to try out and then uses kamui. So in short: No.
im not seeing where he saids that although it is possible that Rins death awakend the MS
to guy above me, tobi already said he got Obitos eye
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maybe obito's eyes mimicked minato's space time jutsu since he sees it everyday and he just got lucky to have activated his sharingan's kamui without MS
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I just wanted to come in and say that I called it pages and pages ago: Tobi's ability is to maintain certain portions of his body in the other dimension, which simply makes it LOOK like your'e passing through him.
As for Tobi being Obito, it's possible, but I still doubt it.
On August 14 2012 11:46 Wrecken wrote:
Also, Kishi has abandoned the "killing best friend to gain MS" a long time ago. Itachi died of his own illness and Sasuke unlocked his MS by experiencing the losss of Itachi. It's also doubtful that Shisui killed anyone close to him, since he is hailed as the ultimate goody Uchiha by Itachi. Kishi doesn't know what hes even doing anymore, just making up whatever to please fans.
The only reason anyone ever thought that you had to kill your best friend to unlock the Mangekyo was because Itachi told that to Sasuke to motivate him to become stronger, and also as a cover story to the truth behind what happened to Shisui. I don't see how you can go from "Itachi's story isn't entirely true" to conclude "Kishi doesn't know what he's doing anymore."
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I'm surprised at the revelation in this chapter about Tobi's abilities. I thought the way that ability worked was already revealed a long time ago.
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The thing that bugged me the most about the explanation of tobi's ability, is that he still should be able to attack even though a part of him is in another dimension. Since he isnt transparant, most of his boddy stays in the real world and is sollid. So shouldnt he be able to grab/attack/hurt people his sollid -non transparant- body?
btw: is there any chance of having a chapter this week?
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I think the reason why we haven't seen the MS on Tobi is because it would have given it away that Kakashi's and his are from the same pair. Now this very well could mean that he is Obito but that would require a lot of reach for not only how did he go to OP mode from what he was but why would he come up with this plan in the first place. Maybe Madara somehow came across him and took in a fellow Uchiha while he was hiding out and then hatched this plan so after Madara died he would be resurrected? Unlikely. Is it Rin? So disillusioned with what happened with Obito and being rejected by Kakashi she goes off alone, maybe faking her own death and plans this. Also unlikely.
Now setting aside real world logic and going into Kishilogic anything can happen. What do we know?
Madara lived on after he supposedly died.
Madara seems to be aware of this plan and had a hand in it, but he also doesn't seem to be the type to go for this Moon plan.
Tobi most likely has Obito's eye.
Tobi seems to know Kakashi and was present at the fight at the bridge.
Tobi had in his possession the Rinnegan which isn't surprising if Madara gave him HIS Rinnegan before he died if they were working together.
Basically it seems like Madara survived the fight and was plotting but he knew it would take a long time to do or his fight with the 1st weakened him greatly in his current body. So he plucks someone (tobi) so act as his agent to eventually bring him back (gives him the Rinnegan, also Tobi meant for pain to use his resurrection for his purposes (Madara?). Why do I get the feeling that tobi isn't doing what he is supposed to in this plan and is going off on his plan? Im not entirely sure about the length of time between when Madara was defeated and the present or the exact placement of events in the timeline but im sure that won't matter much because Kishi can huehue reasons.
Everything comes down to those fucking eyes >_> Madara should just keep repeating "Sharingan es #1 huehuehuehue" while he 1v5s the Kages.
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On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:1) Obito awakened his sharingan with 2 tomoes in difference to most uchihas, that speaks volumes of his potential. WTF is a tomoe... and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception 2) Obito is now confirmed to have one of the most imba sharingans in both his eyes ever seen in the manga. granted remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. Or well Itachi was about 3-4 years old at the time i suppose.
Itachi is about 7 years younger than Obito and thus 6, He was saying that Itachi awoke his sharingan at a younger age than Obito by about 5 years.
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I just wanted to come in and say that I called it pages and pages ago: Tobi's ability is to maintain certain portions of his body in the other dimension, which simply makes it LOOK like your'e passing through him.
isnt this exactly what was said when they first fought Tobi?
The thing that bugged me the most about the explanation of tobi's ability, is that he still should be able to attack even though a part of him is in another dimension. Since he isnt transparant, most of his boddy stays in the real world and is sollid. So shouldnt he be able to grab/attack/hurt people his sollid -non transparant- body?
btw: is there any chance of having a chapter this week?
i dont think he can actually control it, he can either ahve the jtusu "on" (in which case any part of his body thats about to get touched moves to the other dimension) or "off" (this is the state he can touch others and "absorb" them)
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On August 15 2012 10:54 ixi.genocide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:1) Obito awakened his sharingan with 2 tomoes in difference to most uchihas, that speaks volumes of his potential. WTF is a tomoe... and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception 2) Obito is now confirmed to have one of the most imba sharingans in both his eyes ever seen in the manga. granted remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. Or well Itachi was about 3-4 years old at the time i suppose. Itachi is about 7 years younger than Obito and thus 6, He was saying that Itachi awoke his sharingan at a younger age than Obito by about 5 years.
Well, my point was simply that when you awake it does not matter, only the potential, and the fact that obito awoke it with 2 tomoes probably is to tell something about the power in his eyes. But it doesnt really matter since whoever has the eyes have their power.
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On August 14 2012 10:22 Nausea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 10:15 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 10:12 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 10:08 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:52 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:47 Forikorder wrote:On August 14 2012 09:28 Nausea wrote:On August 14 2012 09:22 Forikorder wrote:1) Obito awakened his sharingan with 2 tomoes in difference to most uchihas, that speaks volumes of his potential. WTF is a tomoe... and his Sharingan opened jsut like Sasuke seems to be the norm not exception 2) Obito is now confirmed to have one of the most imba sharingans in both his eyes ever seen in the manga. granted remember, Tobi gave Rinnegan to Nagato its just simply impossible for Obito to be Tobi Tobi is some overachiever who has some misconceived wrongs taht the world did to him A tomoe is the name of one of the 3 signs around the center of the eye. + Show Spoiler +That is the first time Sasuke awakens his sharingan, with 1 tomoe. He later got the second one, but the point is that Obito had great potential because he had 2 tomoes from the start when he awakened his sharingan. Oh and Tobi given Nagato rinnegan has never been confirmed by anyone except Tobi himself, who also claimed to be madara at one point, so chanses are he is full of shit. that makes no sense he couldnt use Sharingan until the fight on the bridge in the land of waves when he opened it whith 2 tomoe Are you saying the manga is wrong? Sasuke awakened his sharingan with 1 tomoe the day itachi left the village after slaughtering the clan. (see pic) This is about 3-4 years before the battle against zabusa/haku on that bridge. no im saying its a plot hole besides who cares about the tomoe? Itachi awoke full sharingan before Obito had 2 sharingan and Itachi is weaker then him also Obito probably had one tomoe sharingan before that but jsut like Sasuke couldnt actually activate it Well probably isnt really canon, this is canon however until we see something disproving it. And your comment about Itachi i don´t fully understand since Itachi probably was not even born when Obito got his sharingan. who cares if Itachi hadnt been born yet Obito probably awoken his 2 tomoe Sharingan at around the same age Sasuke awoke his probably later since Kakashi was a whatever the name of the rank is which means that exam thing had passed which means he awoke his after graduating from ninja academy and after the exam while Sasuke had 3 tomoe not long after the exam and Itachi awoke his Sharingan much younger then both of them it doesnt matter when you get your tomoe And my point, that sparked the start of this discussion was that you can in short time develop your sharingan and become imba. And you just said so, so what are we debating about? Obito got 2 tomoes the second he awakened his sharingan, that means there is potential that he in 1-2 years could have gotten 3 tomoes, even mangekyo and learnt to use his space/time ninjutsu.
Took Sasuke 1 year to get 3 tomoe, since he only actually became conscious of Sharingan in his Zabuza fight.
I think he's right, amount of tomoe on getting Sharingan means nothing.
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On September 16 2010 10:24 rei wrote:
Tobi's right eye have the same kind of dimensional power as Kakashi's left eye. The difference between the 2 is kakashi's is more powerful, while Tobi need to touch the person to warp them, Kakashi can use it as a ultra long range attack. Imagine if Obito didn't die and gain full excess of MS by killing kakashi, he would be the most powerful MS user, oh wait what if Tobi took Kakashi's eye? His technique would be complete, cause he can warp ppl without touching with the left eye and keep himself phase out with the right eye, wow that's totally imba yes?
Something from the past.
Obviously, no chapter.
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