EPT[Manga] Naruto - Page 495
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
Shikamaru's shadow can... now... expand even more?! Chouji can burn his calories to turn huge and grow butterfly wings? | ||
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furerkip
United States439 Posts
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
On August 03 2012 00:18 InFdude wrote: Actually it was a direct comparison. The authors of Naruto and Hunter x Hunter are friends and it's a know fact Kishi was inspired by HxH. And the similarities are more than obvious for anyone who has watched/read both things. And my point is Naruto takes it's own way right about when sasuke decides to stay with Oro and to me that's the point where the manga starts to fall off. inspiration is vastly overrated in childrens literature. i think you lost me. i could say the same about 4-5 manga with equal results. making direct comparisons in manga is futile, as they are all the same basic plots. the same is true for writing in general, but made worse when directed at younger audiences. selfishly skullfucking your life's work vs taking the time to respect your audience is a much more valid point in my eyes. | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
And considering the guy from before: The main charakter doesn't have to be stronger than everyone, he can also succeed because of his friends or something. Bad example: Son Goku vs random enemy using Genkidama...he alone wasn't strong enough so he needed others to lend him strength Better example: Luffy vs Zorro. In that one episode they were fighting 'cuz Luffy thought that Zorro was ungrateful to the people who fed them. And as far as I can remember it was quite an even fight, considering Zorro didn't really try to actually cut Luffy to kill hm... | ||
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blankspace
United States292 Posts
The manga had a lot of potential, eye powers and rasengan made it shit  | ||
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recklessfire
United States373 Posts
I can't disagree that people in Naruto are OP now, but I also have to admit that I saw this coming a mile away. Sasuke beating up 200 people in Orochimaru's lair wasn't the first ridiculous thing to happen. No, the first ridiculous thing to happen was Itachi single-handedly wiping out the entire Uchiha clan. That event made it obvious to me early on that some ninja were orders of magnitude stronger than others, and that in such cases, use of stealth and clever tactics would be unnecessary. There was a huge hint at the time way before shippuden, that there was a 3rd sharingan user besides kakashi. During sasuke's flashback of meeting itatchi after the clan was killed he mentioned another sharingan user in existence. I knew itatchi was strong but I think there were some obscure parts about the whole massacre of the clan that left you wondering abot itachi's motivations. I remember talking to my friends about that and saying like how the 3rd sharingan user is probably uber strong. I know i'm going off on a tangent but your post reminded me how much i used to think about naruto and how the author really had an idea of where it was going to go, but in its current state there doesnt seem to be as much effort into the story telling. I think we all knew there were going to be OP characters, but the fight scenes are no where near as exciting as they were before. I remember watching gaara vs rock lee in the chuunin exam and damn the fight scene was so good quality. I watched it so many times and in shippuden, there arent any fights that excite me like that one. side note: watch bleach, when ichigo fights byakuya when he first achieves bankai and please tell me that isnt a ripoff of gaara vs rock lee lol. Imagine the pink swarm of leaves as sand. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
As far as the dagger hitting tobi in the other dimension, I think that the area that tobi took sasuke is the point of entry to that dimension, I don't think that the alternate dimension mirrors rl. Something to consider is that tobi teleported the statue after kakashi had ripped it apart (it seems that way to me), so teleporting the rest of the statue would make sense in a way to prevent its destruction. i think where he took Sasuke was a completely different dimension that he created not the dimension that Kamui and Tobis technique utilize | ||
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sharkie
Austria18727 Posts
Stupid power levels already started there | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On August 02 2012 19:20 Fenrax wrote: The power creep started with the first Shippuuden episodes. To be precise it started when Sasuke took out 200 ninjas ( that Oro fed him) all by himself "without breaking a sweat" and easy enough to be able to only injure but not kill them. That would have been impossible in Naruto part 1 and that was better. These guys have Chakra too, right? And they trained their whole life, too, right? So why does Sasuke win vs. 200 of them. In Shippuuden the whole ninja thing used to be about stealth and 1v1/small group combat skills . Remember how Orochimaru approached the capture of Sasuke? He didn't just go to Konohagakure's front door and beat up the entire village. His 4 subordinates stealthily infiltrated the village in the cover of night and corrupted Sasuke into following them. Remember how Itachi and Kisame approached capturing Naruto the 9-tails in part one? They stalked Jiraya and Naruto, waited for their chance, set up a trap for Jiraya and then tried to capture Naruto. That was believable and how you would think ninjas would do it. And what happens in Shippuden? Deidara and Sasori capture Gaara the 1-tails by a freaking FRONTAL ASSAULT on the entire village. Yeah, the first strike was a bit sneaky but basically the fight was one guy vs. a whole village and the one guy wins. How shitty can the sand village get? Lose to a single ninja? Please... Don't they have someone like Ino or her dad who can just mind control him for a bit while he is busy fighting everyone else? Someone like Shikamaru who can just pin him down for a few seconds which should be more than enough to kill him? Like an Uchiha who can spit giant fire balls at him? Like Naruto who can surround him with Shadow clones, even in the air. Can no one in their freaking village cast a Genjutsu on him? No, because in Shippuuden one OP ninja beats infinite nameless ninjas. How did Nagato approach capturing the 9-tails? Again by a FRONTAL ASSAULT on the leaf village. Absolutely retarded story telling. Not even a sneaky first strike, he just goes there saying "Hi, I'm OP give me the 9-tails". And in the end he doesn't fail because one ninja can't possibly beat the Hokage and hundreds of Jonins and Chuunins combined like logic would dictate but because an even more OP character appears. ...somewhere on the road the Manga has degenerated from good storytelling to "who is more OP" Great follow up. Those were definitely critical moments that show how badly the show's plot has deteriorated. I found it completely unbelievable that Deidara took on the whole damn village. Also that the whole village just sort of cowered while sending out one puppet master to fight him. There should have been an entire puppet corp ready to throw down. It definitely seems like the storyline just got lazy at those points. So sad that we're all in agreement. Just shows how poopy it's gotten :\ | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 03 2012 10:34 StorkHwaiting wrote: Great follow up. Those were definitely critical moments that show how badly the show's plot has deteriorated. I found it completely unbelievable that Deidara took on the whole damn village. Also that the whole village just sort of cowered while sending out one puppet master to fight him. There should have been an entire puppet corp ready to throw down. It definitely seems like the storyline just got lazy at those points. So sad that we're all in agreement. Just shows how poopy it's gotten :\ Deidaras first assault was a surprise attack, plus it was a mid air battle, how many ninjas have we seen that can actually fly and do meaningful battle in the air? Deidara picked a fight with the Kage, the strongest guy in the village plus Deidara wasnt putting a scratch on him (the fight ended with one attack right at the end wich IMO is bullshit but understandable) so why would they go batshit crazy and concentrate solely on beating the guy getting his ass already kicked instead of looking around for more enemies and getting ready to fight (the first thing anyone would think is Deidara is a decoy) plus they were paranoid Shukaku would wake up and go on a rampage so they had to make sure Civilians wouldnt get caught up in it after Deidara got away with the Gaara, same deal the higher ups didnt want anything to do with it they finally got rid of the one tail and like was mentioned last time they tried to go rescue a missing Kage it ended with them getting invaded and the stuffing knocked out of them (oh and it left them as the weakest village of them all hence there crazy obsession with figuring out how to use there Jinchuuriki as a weapon which only one other village was doing) its only natural they wouldnt mobilize the entire village to rescue Gaara | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
As for him being able to control the nine tails, wasn't that an inherent skill of the Uchihas from way back, just like how the first bloodline allows them to subdue the nine tails chakra? Anyway, we still dont know the extent of dimensions in the narutoverse, it could just be limited to really 2 or infinite but there is no explanation as of yet. Who he is? I don't know but it's part of the story. I'm just going along with it. What I am wondering about is how Kakashi seems to have already used 3 kamuis in the bout with Tobi, this excluding the fact that he has already done battle with Haku and the rest just prior to the battle. His chakra reserves seems to have suddenly spiked up. He may have learned to regular the use and eliminate wastage, but there has got to be a limit still. Maybe in one of the next chapters, we'll find out he can only do it one to two times max after the last one. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
On August 03 2012 01:43 Kazeyonoma wrote: basically when sharingan started have more and more powers, the story went to shit, the only way to compete became coming up with more overpowered skills, and naruto's power creep had to accelerate, but you had to make him above all others because he's the main hero, it wouldn't make sense to have everyone else able to power creep as well, at least not at the same level. Think about it, aside from sharingan abilities, what new stuff have we seen since shippuuden? We've seen naruto learn sage mode (pretty cool imo, has weaknesses, etc, unlike OP eye moves), and in turn master the previously life threatening rasen-shuriken. And then now 9 tails mode. Everything else has basically been eye moves, izanagi, izanami, susano'o, perfect susano'o, amaterasu, tsukyunomi, rinnegan, kamui/Space Time, etc. All other moves would just seem stupid, although there were a few.... Shikamaru's shadow can... now... expand even more?! Chouji can burn his calories to turn huge and grow butterfly wings? We have not seen the full power of the senju clan, which is meant to be equal to the Uchiha and their eye hax. We only know the hashirama somehow beat Madara. Anyway I thought some of the stuff in the war arc was cool, Kabuto with his Sage Mode and Reanimation was pretty boss and the old kage were pretty cool too. What I dislike most about the manga though is that the other old genin were never really developed. OK Ino-Shika-Cho got some spotlight but Hinata's team was almost completely ignored and team Gai was just hopeless. They got 1 battle with themselves (lol) and Lee and Neji who were total beasts in part 1 are just so weak now. Even Sakura who is supposed to be the main heroine hasn't done anything useful since her battle with sosori which is just sad. Kishi just focused too much on Naruto, Sasuke and haxed eye powers. | ||
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Tandinel
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
On August 03 2012 18:11 Tandinel wrote: Does anyone have any theories on what the heck happened to the Senju clan? Weren't they in control of Konoha, and now there are just no more Senju? There is Tsunade, but i think thats it so far, right? Them being even more powerful then the Uchiha, and there being no story of what happened to them is just odd. cough... naruto... | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On August 03 2012 18:11 Tandinel wrote: Does anyone have any theories on what the heck happened to the Senju clan? Weren't they in control of Konoha, and now there are just no more Senju? There is Tsunade, but i think thats it so far, right? Them being even more powerful then the Uchiha, and there being no story of what happened to them is just odd. they decided not to reproduce. ^^ or Tobi or Madara used their sharingan to manipulate them into a "sex is bad" attitude. | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On August 03 2012 18:11 Tandinel wrote: Does anyone have any theories on what the heck happened to the Senju clan? Weren't they in control of Konoha, and now there are just no more Senju? There is Tsunade, but i think thats it so far, right? Them being even more powerful then the Uchiha, and there being no story of what happened to them is just odd. True. The first, second and fifth Hokage are from the Senju clan. Tsunades younger brother, Nawaki, died, and she didn´t have any other siblings. The clan might end when Tsunade dies. Ninja tend to die young and childless. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
I forgot Narutos clan though. Is it really the Uzumaki clan that has the unbelievable chakra stores in their body? Is that the only attribute unique to their bloodline/clan? Anyway, with the continous wars raging on, especially the skirmishes in between, I would believe that would have "diluted" the heard which made bloddlines and bloodlines limits a bit more unique and rare. Don't know how to address the Rinnengan though. Pain had it or the other guy did before being transplanted to him. If it really is a mutation/evolution of the Sharingan (evidenced by Madara), Tobi wouldn't have needed to get pain's eyes to begin with if this were a fact. But anyway, I leave it at that and just enjoy the "show". | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
edit* i guess i should add that it is debatable that is it a bloodline limit, as it was passed down to anbu. though they needed three dudes and extra seals to do it. when it comes to minato kishi loves to make us speculate rather than really filling in details. lots of people subscribe to minato being such a genius he created a space time jutsu from scratch. i am posing the idea that it more likely runs in the family and he just taught a bastardized version to anbu. which is not that new of an idea at all. i'm trying to sound less arrogant. eheh.  | ||
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