EPT-how kakashi got his Ms
-why he is able to use kamui, but no uchiha used space time jutsus
-why everything is somehow connected to the sharingan
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DrunkenHomer
66 Posts
-how kakashi got his Ms -why he is able to use kamui, but no uchiha used space time jutsus -why everything is somehow connected to the sharingan | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
What if an Uchiha with a MS could do the Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi and Susano´o, but an non_Uchiha with a MS could do Kamui ? That would mean that Tobi is not an Uchiha. On the other hand, Tobi uses his Kamui without MS, so it can not be the exact same jutsu that Kakashi uses. So it´s probably nonsense, but i thought it was an interesting point. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 02 2012 06:44 DrunkenHomer wrote: I really want to know how kishi reveals: -how kakashi got his Ms -why he is able to use kamui, but no uchiha used space time jutsus -why everything is somehow connected to the sharingan Kakashi got his MS presumably by being the cause of Obitos death, Sasuke didnt kill Itachi but got his MS from that hes able to use Kamui because Kishi decided to give some Sharingan super special abilities like Sasuke had that chakra manipulating ability and Shisui had the super strong genjutsu and everything is related to the Sharingan cause Kishi is bad at storytelling | ||
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Wrecken
United States213 Posts
On August 02 2012 07:01 Forikorder wrote: Kakashi got his MS presumably by being the cause of Obitos death, Sasuke didnt kill Itachi but got his MS from that hes able to use Kamui because Kishi decided to give some Sharingan super special abilities like Sasuke had that chakra manipulating ability and Shisui had the super strong genjutsu and everything is related to the Sharingan cause Kishi is bad at storytelling ^This 100% Kishi has now decided to give Kakashi Naruto level chakra reserves. He is a fkn monster right now. Madara will probably also have some new random MS techniques we have yet to see. The manga should be changed from "Naruto" to Sharingan". | ||
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Wrecken
United States213 Posts
On August 02 2012 03:51 TheBrunk wrote: Actually the more I think about it... maybe Tobi is not Obito. Reading last few pages, wouldn't Obito know what his other eye would do, or atleast know it is linked with space dimension like his. Tobi says he thought kamui was a combination of 2 jutus, one that dematerializes and the other that makes its appear/disappear. Which then leads to maybe Tobi doesn't even have Obito's other eye and that these space dimension jutus just share alot of similiarities/dimension. Actually, in another panel, we see Tobi analyzing to himself exactly what happened. He knows whats up. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 02 2012 07:06 Wrecken wrote: ^This 100% Kishi has now decided to give Kakashi Naruto level chakra reserves. He is a fkn monster right now. Madara will probably also have some new random MS techniques we have yet to see. The manga should be changed from "Naruto" to Sharingan". why do people keep bitching about his Chakra he hasnt DONE anything yet | ||
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Uridium
United States86 Posts
On August 02 2012 07:13 Forikorder wrote: why do people keep bitching about his Chakra he hasnt DONE anything yet Yea plus people don't remember: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/571/6 My hypothesis is that people inside Naruto's Bijuu Mode are healed of their chakra. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Question: The legendary ninja is now immortal, does Madara Uchiha have any weakness? Kishimoto-sensei: All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not. So we have to pose the question, where and how will the battle go from here!? Please stay excited and wait with eager anticipation to find out!! Question: What is the connection between Tobi and Madara? Kishimoto-sensei: Both ninja know one another. What kind of relationship do they have? Well, that will be gradually revealed as the story progresses!! Question: Will Tobi’s identity be revealed in the future…!? Kishimoto-sensei: Yes, it will. In fact, Tobi’s identity should be revealed within the next few weeks so until then please continue with your predictions!! Question: How will the story of Naruto and Sasuke continue from this point on? Kishimoto-sensei: They will meet again, this time during the war. Just wait until you see what is happening then! Question: We will soon be entering into the climax of the Fourth Shinobi World War arc, please tell us some of the key points that will be coming soon! Kishimoto-sensei: Everything from here on out is key and everything is just going to get more and more electrifying! All your favorite characters will shine brightly so please continue to enjoy Naruto as the great Shinobi World War reaches its climax! 1 or 2 weeks till Tobi reveal! | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Also, didn't Tobi give Pain his eyes when Obito was still a child? It was before Jiraya became a teacher to the fourth I think, and the fourth was the teacher of Obito. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On August 02 2012 02:03 Wrecken wrote: While that would work, however, Tobi will become tangible the instant naruto clone attacks him in other dimmension, thus avoiding all damage. Naruto's smarter than that, he'd just attack from both dimensions at once, they ARE his clones.... If he dematerializes in one, he gets K.O'd in the other. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 02 2012 08:30 Kazeyonoma wrote: Naruto's smarter than that, he'd just attack from both dimensions at once, they ARE his clones.... If he dematerializes in one, he gets K.O'd in the other. or jsut blocks the intangible Naruto then kills the clone | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 02 2012 07:06 Wrecken wrote: ^This 100% Kishi has now decided to give Kakashi Naruto level chakra reserves. He is a fkn monster right now. Madara will probably also have some new random MS techniques we have yet to see. The manga should be changed from "Naruto" to Sharingan". imo Kishi always overdid it with how small Kakashi's chakra pool is. Plus when we last saw him use it was a bit ago so who is to say he is getting better at being efficient at using it? Like people have said he might to be able to conserve energy by zwooshing things away at a slower rate. I hope Kakashi is critical in this fight. That man needs more badass thrown in as it was a looong time ago since he has shown any. Plus didn't Kishi say how this year was going to be good for Kakashi? | ||
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delchuu
Germany166 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On August 02 2012 09:28 delchuu wrote: So does the last hit from the Rasengan actually hurt Madara ? didn't came to any conclusion for that im confused right now D: i dont think so seems like it jsut barely grazed his arm | ||
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sharkie
Austria18776 Posts
On August 02 2012 07:06 Wrecken wrote: Madara will probably also have some new random MS techniques we have yet to see. The manga should be changed from "Naruto" to Sharingan". GOLDEN | ||
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Wrecken
United States213 Posts
On August 02 2012 09:28 delchuu wrote: So does the last hit from the Rasengan actually hurt Madara ? didn't came to any conclusion for that im confused right now D: Gahhh, people need to stop calling Tobi "Madara". The real Madara is busy bulling the gokage. | ||
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + while the top three MS jutsus seem to be amaterasu, tsukiyomi, and susano'o, there may still be a lot of user-specific S-techs and MS-techs, like Sishui, who's eyes had unique genjutsu ability that apparently no other set of Sharingan eyeballs in the whole clan had at the time. who's to say that Obito's eyes (hypothetically assuming that Obito is Tobi) didn't have unique space-time jutsu? Of course it's more likely that Kishi just writes in the fact that space-time jutsus like Kamui are a hidden forbidden tech of the Sharingan or something and that all members of the clan could somehow learn it and that Kakashi just happened to stumble upon by sheer necessity of when his MS unlocked. i think this issue definitely adds more evidence to Tobi being Obito, (in addition to the obvious almost anagram name), in addition to the personal jab from 2 issues ago, but that still doesn't solve the of age disparity of when the 9tails attack/naruto's birth took place... unless at the time of obito's supposed death until naruto's birth was all him getting major powerups in the form of mastery of space-time techs and also limited sealing techs for controlling tailed beasts, which is still possible for a flashback to explain... and dammit Kishi does love his flashbacks | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
anyone remotely trained in writing can spot what is going on here. nuggets of potential are being introduced along side the main "plot." at kishi's whim these nuggets of nothing can be exaggerated to become the main focus of the manga to momentarily make it more "exciting." this is all great for you if you are reading the manga only in the present. and you both didn't read it from the start and don't expect the ending to match the quality of the begining. there is currently a minefield of these turd nuggets that were just left behind. in retrospect 2 years might not even be enough time for him. making any sense of this while tying it all together and not neglecting huge amounts of storyline is going to be a monumental effort. to say the least. definately not something you can do from week to week. | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
I don't think that obito is tobi, if you look at the timeline, Obito was an underpowered ninja at 13 when he "died" and then a year later he is able to control the nine-tails, has mastered space-time ninjutsu and almost on par with the 4th hokage? that doesn't make sense. Not to mention that he may not have even been alive when nagato got his rinnegan, which kishi drew fairly clearly as developing in a "fight or flight" situation. As far as the dagger hitting tobi in the other dimension, I think that the area that tobi took sasuke is the point of entry to that dimension, I don't think that the alternate dimension mirrors rl. Something to consider is that tobi teleported the statue after kakashi had ripped it apart (it seems that way to me), so teleporting the rest of the statue would make sense in a way to prevent its destruction. It would be interesting if sasuke learned kamui... he is supposed to be an uchiha prodigy. | ||
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