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village_idiot
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
2436 Posts
August 01 2012 14:44 GMT
#9801
I bet Madara will just switch his fighting strategy.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 14:50:46
August 01 2012 14:47 GMT
#9802
On August 01 2012 23:44 village_idiot wrote:
I bet Madara will just switch his fighting strategy.

Madara has nothing to do with Tobi, other than the fact they know each other. At the moment Madara is busy making the Gokage look like idiots.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 14:52:04
August 01 2012 14:51 GMT
#9803
On August 01 2012 23:42 StorkHwaiting wrote:
^That sounds like a satisfactory way to whoop this annoying elusive dude once and for all.

Well even if they do manage to land a fatal hit can't he just use Izanagi? By then the Gedo Mazo should be ready.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 14:56:28
August 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#9804
On August 01 2012 19:28 FetTerBender wrote:
I am a little confused. So there are different dimensions, but only 1 different for all users of the same "style"?

Wait how did everyone seem to conclude this? Maybe I read a different translation but I interpreted it as Kakashi using kamui first on Naruto's rasengan tricking Tobi into thinking that it was he who sent it to another dimension. Then Kakashi sends it back and it hits Tobi.
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Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 01 2012 14:53 GMT
#9805
On August 01 2012 23:51 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 23:42 StorkHwaiting wrote:
^That sounds like a satisfactory way to whoop this annoying elusive dude once and for all.

Well even if they do manage to land a fatal hit can't he just use Izanagi? By then the Gedo Mazo should be ready.

If he uses Izanagi, then his precious "Obito sharingan" is gone, along with the S/T ability it has.
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 14:55:00
August 01 2012 14:54 GMT
#9806
On August 01 2012 23:53 Wrecken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 23:51 Zane wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:42 StorkHwaiting wrote:
^That sounds like a satisfactory way to whoop this annoying elusive dude once and for all.

Well even if they do manage to land a fatal hit can't he just use Izanagi? By then the Gedo Mazo should be ready.

If he uses Izanagi, then his precious "Obito sharingan" is gone, along with the S/T ability it has.

That's true, but once the 10 tails completes he shouldn't need it.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 01 2012 14:55 GMT
#9807
On August 01 2012 23:51 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 23:42 StorkHwaiting wrote:
^That sounds like a satisfactory way to whoop this annoying elusive dude once and for all.

Well even if they do manage to land a fatal hit can't he just use Izanagi? By then the Gedo Mazo should be ready.

he only has one sharingan left, if he does uise Izanagi then he has to leave to get a new eye, and judging by Sasuke those arent inplant and start firing away hed need time for the new eye to be ready before he can cast Tsukyomi and thats time for them to destroy 10 tails

also remember that Kakashis ability isnt instant, the bigger the thing he absorbs the more time so even if they do fire 2 Bijuudamas at him its possible th etime it would take him to absorb is too much and Tobi would escape

plus they have no way to force him to stay in the same spot while they cast the Bijuudama to make the perfect pincer attack
Names
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada328 Posts
August 01 2012 14:56 GMT
#9808
On August 01 2012 23:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 19:28 FetTerBender wrote:
I am a little confused. So there are different dimensions, but only 1 different for all users of the same "style"?

Wait how did everyone seem to conclude this? Maybe I read another translation but I interpreted it as Kakashi using kamui first on Naruto's rasengan tricking Tobi into thinking that it was he who sent it to another dimension. Then Kakashi sends it back and it hits Tobi.


I don't think tobi sends things to the other dimension, I think he just dodges them by going there himself.

But the second point you make is sharp. They do talk about bringing things back at the end of the chapter, that might be it too. Though they don't talk about how he brought the kunai back, if he ever did.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 01 2012 14:58 GMT
#9809
On August 01 2012 23:55 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 23:51 Zane wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:42 StorkHwaiting wrote:
^That sounds like a satisfactory way to whoop this annoying elusive dude once and for all.

Well even if they do manage to land a fatal hit can't he just use Izanagi? By then the Gedo Mazo should be ready.

he only has one sharingan left, if he does uise Izanagi then he has to leave to get a new eye, and judging by Sasuke those arent inplant and start firing away hed need time for the new eye to be ready before he can cast Tsukyomi and thats time for them to destroy 10 tails

also remember that Kakashis ability isnt instant, the bigger the thing he absorbs the more time so even if they do fire 2 Bijuudamas at him its possible th etime it would take him to absorb is too much and Tobi would escape

plus they have no way to force him to stay in the same spot while they cast the Bijuudama to make the perfect pincer attack

There is a theory that the speed Kakashi can warp is based on how much chakra he puts into it. If he puts a ton, then he can warp anything away almost instantly, but would leave him very very weak. So insteat, he put less chakra into kamui on the Gedo Maza, because even if it failed, he would still have energy left to fight. Thats why he was greatly fatigued after instantly warping away sasukes huge Susanno arrow.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 01 2012 15:00 GMT
#9810
On August 01 2012 23:56 Names wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 23:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On August 01 2012 19:28 FetTerBender wrote:
I am a little confused. So there are different dimensions, but only 1 different for all users of the same "style"?

Wait how did everyone seem to conclude this? Maybe I read another translation but I interpreted it as Kakashi using kamui first on Naruto's rasengan tricking Tobi into thinking that it was he who sent it to another dimension. Then Kakashi sends it back and it hits Tobi.


I don't think tobi sends things to the other dimension, I think he just dodges them by going there himself.

But the second point you make is sharp. They do talk about bringing things back at the end of the chapter, that might be it too. Though they don't talk about how he brought the kunai back, if he ever did.

Yes, you are correct, Tobi's body goes to the same dimmension as whatever is warped by Kamui. So if something is warped right infront of Tobi in real time and he also becomes intangible, then both his body and whatever Kakashi warps, will appear parrallel to each other in the seperate dimmension.

Kakashi has effectively countered Tobi's S/T.
nonsequitur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
384 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-01 15:01:34
August 01 2012 15:01 GMT
#9811
Kakashi's chakra should be almost gone by now right? IIRC he can only use Kamui 2 times?
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 01 2012 15:04 GMT
#9812
On August 02 2012 00:01 nonsequitur wrote:
Kakashi's chakra should be almost gone by now right? IIRC he can only use Kamui 2 times?

Kishimoto is a horrible horrible writer, and is just using plot right now, so essentially Kakashi has unlimted chakra, the same goes for Gai who has been using the 6th gate a lot this fight.
Wrecken
Profile Joined March 2011
United States213 Posts
August 01 2012 15:05 GMT
#9813
And also, Kakashi can do more than 2 Kamuis now. It is also depends on how much chakra he puts into it. He can either warp instantly at a huge cost, or warp slowly with less strain.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 01 2012 15:40 GMT
#9814
On August 02 2012 00:00 Wrecken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 23:56 Names wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On August 01 2012 19:28 FetTerBender wrote:
I am a little confused. So there are different dimensions, but only 1 different for all users of the same "style"?

Wait how did everyone seem to conclude this? Maybe I read another translation but I interpreted it as Kakashi using kamui first on Naruto's rasengan tricking Tobi into thinking that it was he who sent it to another dimension. Then Kakashi sends it back and it hits Tobi.


I don't think tobi sends things to the other dimension, I think he just dodges them by going there himself.

But the second point you make is sharp. They do talk about bringing things back at the end of the chapter, that might be it too. Though they don't talk about how he brought the kunai back, if he ever did.

Yes, you are correct, Tobi's body goes to the same dimmension as whatever is warped by Kamui. So if something is warped right infront of Tobi in real time and he also becomes intangible, then both his body and whatever Kakashi warps, will appear parrallel to each other in the seperate dimmension.

Kakashi has effectively countered Tobi's S/T.

no he hasnt, Kakashi cant warp Gai or Naruto only the attacks they make so if he can figure out waht Kakashi warps then he jsut has to make himself tangible at that moment so it wont hit him, Kakashi has no way of telling when Tobi is tangible but Tobi can tell if something disapears

plus lets say Kakashi warped Narutos Rasengan and Tobi notices he could of then absorbed Gai or Naruto since the attack was gone
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 01 2012 15:46 GMT
#9815
On August 02 2012 00:40 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 00:00 Wrecken wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:56 Names wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On August 01 2012 19:28 FetTerBender wrote:
I am a little confused. So there are different dimensions, but only 1 different for all users of the same "style"?

Wait how did everyone seem to conclude this? Maybe I read another translation but I interpreted it as Kakashi using kamui first on Naruto's rasengan tricking Tobi into thinking that it was he who sent it to another dimension. Then Kakashi sends it back and it hits Tobi.


I don't think tobi sends things to the other dimension, I think he just dodges them by going there himself.

But the second point you make is sharp. They do talk about bringing things back at the end of the chapter, that might be it too. Though they don't talk about how he brought the kunai back, if he ever did.

Yes, you are correct, Tobi's body goes to the same dimmension as whatever is warped by Kamui. So if something is warped right infront of Tobi in real time and he also becomes intangible, then both his body and whatever Kakashi warps, will appear parrallel to each other in the seperate dimmension.

Kakashi has effectively countered Tobi's S/T.

no he hasnt, Kakashi cant warp Gai or Naruto only the attacks they make so if he can figure out waht Kakashi warps then he jsut has to make himself tangible at that moment so it wont hit him, Kakashi has no way of telling when Tobi is tangible but Tobi can tell if something disapears

plus lets say Kakashi warped Narutos Rasengan and Tobi notices he could of then absorbed Gai or Naruto since the attack was gone


I always thought that was kind of bs. Why does Tobi's image still appear if he's in another dimension? Seems more like just lazy visualization by Kishi. If he's in a completely different dimension then how is it possible for them to still see him? Then again, sometimes he does get sucked in and completely disappear. Yet other times he can materialize just parts of himself? How does that work? Blah. I'm not a fan of that partial dimensional stuff. WHen Kakashi does it to other people their limb gets torn off. That makes some sense to me. Or it's a complete move like Frog Dimension Summoning etc. This partial stuff is really iffy to me.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 01 2012 16:21 GMT
#9816
On August 02 2012 00:46 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 00:40 Forikorder wrote:
On August 02 2012 00:00 Wrecken wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:56 Names wrote:
On August 01 2012 23:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On August 01 2012 19:28 FetTerBender wrote:
I am a little confused. So there are different dimensions, but only 1 different for all users of the same "style"?

Wait how did everyone seem to conclude this? Maybe I read another translation but I interpreted it as Kakashi using kamui first on Naruto's rasengan tricking Tobi into thinking that it was he who sent it to another dimension. Then Kakashi sends it back and it hits Tobi.


I don't think tobi sends things to the other dimension, I think he just dodges them by going there himself.

But the second point you make is sharp. They do talk about bringing things back at the end of the chapter, that might be it too. Though they don't talk about how he brought the kunai back, if he ever did.

Yes, you are correct, Tobi's body goes to the same dimmension as whatever is warped by Kamui. So if something is warped right infront of Tobi in real time and he also becomes intangible, then both his body and whatever Kakashi warps, will appear parrallel to each other in the seperate dimmension.

Kakashi has effectively countered Tobi's S/T.

no he hasnt, Kakashi cant warp Gai or Naruto only the attacks they make so if he can figure out waht Kakashi warps then he jsut has to make himself tangible at that moment so it wont hit him, Kakashi has no way of telling when Tobi is tangible but Tobi can tell if something disapears

plus lets say Kakashi warped Narutos Rasengan and Tobi notices he could of then absorbed Gai or Naruto since the attack was gone


I always thought that was kind of bs. Why does Tobi's image still appear if he's in another dimension? Seems more like just lazy visualization by Kishi. If he's in a completely different dimension then how is it possible for them to still see him? Then again, sometimes he does get sucked in and completely disappear. Yet other times he can materialize just parts of himself? How does that work? Blah. I'm not a fan of that partial dimensional stuff. WHen Kakashi does it to other people their limb gets torn off. That makes some sense to me. Or it's a complete move like Frog Dimension Summoning etc. This partial stuff is really iffy to me.

ya its pretty confusing, somehow he moves his body to that other dimension in a way that he is in that dimension but in a way that hes not completely in that dimension so he can still see things in the regular dimension and people can still see him

so he moves into it without completely moving into it
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 01 2012 16:21 GMT
#9817
So I haz idea

Naruto make clone

Kakashi warp clone to other dimension

Beat shit out of Tobi in both dimensions

GG.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
August 01 2012 16:29 GMT
#9818
On August 02 2012 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So I haz idea

Naruto make clone

Kakashi warp clone to other dimension

Beat shit out of Tobi in both dimensions

GG.

i dunno if something like that would really be possible plus the clone isnt very durable so Tobi would jsut kill the clone
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
August 01 2012 16:31 GMT
#9819
On August 02 2012 01:29 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So I haz idea

Naruto make clone

Kakashi warp clone to other dimension

Beat shit out of Tobi in both dimensions

GG.

i dunno if something like that would really be possible plus the clone isnt very durable so Tobi would jsut kill the clone


Interesting idea though. Why not just send the real Naruto to the other dimension? And the rest of the team can beat up Tobi on this side.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 01 2012 16:36 GMT
#9820
On August 02 2012 01:29 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2012 01:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
So I haz idea

Naruto make clone

Kakashi warp clone to other dimension

Beat shit out of Tobi in both dimensions

GG.

i dunno if something like that would really be possible plus the clone isnt very durable so Tobi would jsut kill the clone


Why not?
Just uses Kamui and send Nine-tailed mode Naruto clone to the other dimension and beat up Tobi.

Since Kakashi did the same with Rasengan,why not do it with a clone?
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