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On July 09 2012 18:38 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 10:25 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On July 09 2012 09:57 Heh_ wrote:On July 09 2012 07:50 Supamang wrote:On July 08 2012 19:42 Rob-Zero wrote:On July 08 2012 12:52 Forikorder wrote:On July 08 2012 12:42 furerkip wrote:
I hope either a kage uses the Justu that takes your life away and then kill Madara, but then a Deus Ex Machina comes in and Madara can't actually lose his soul because of bullshit past where he made a deal with the Death God to give his soul in return for the powers he has now so Death God can't take it again. Then he kills all the kages and then Sasuke finds him, does Amaterasu and another justu hidden within it to attack Madara and then Madara dies because he hasn't faced a Sharingan user in a while.
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The 5 kages are actually in Tsukiyomi and Madara isn't as OP as we thought. <--- Cop out which I would prefer to anything Kishi makes up to get rid of Madara. But not likely, just because we need the Madara/Tobi powerload.
Why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any air techniques besides RasenShuriken? why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any techniques but Shadow clone, sage mode and Rasengan? oh ya cause he hasnt cause hes dumb Kuchiyose + Rasen-Shuriken By the way, why does it seem like everyone is complaining about anything, instead of just being happy with what they got ? Plus I think that most of you don´t even pay for it !? Because it started out great and turned to shit. People dont like seeing what they love get turned to shit. Oh and just because its free doesn't mean you should be happy about it. If someone left a piece of shit on your doorstep, you wouldn't be happy about it just because its free. You'd be annoyed.....because its shit. Lesson of the day: nothing about shit should ever make anyone happy. Your analogy is amazingly good. While I agree with his sentiments, the metaphor actually is not good. Instead of someone leaving a piece of shit on your door step, you went to the street corner and took a brown paper bag from some shady guy containing stuff that the guy probably stole. Every bag recently has been filled with shit but you took it anyway. You then came back into your home, tore open the bag, and was disappointed because you thought for sure that this turd was going to be made out of gold this week. Then you posted on the forum about how you received a bag of shit and taking comfort that quite a lot of people got shit from the same guy. Then you spend some time arguing with people who are are scat lovers. But yeah, the out of the big three manga, two are pretty shit by now. Haha that was some funny but accurate shit. now smth unrelated: I think that fighting series in general (and with supernatural in particular) will almost always end up with some OP stuff, because you have to keep impressing your viewers, and you need to keep introducing new characters that are stronger than the previous ones. At a certain point you've upped the level of strenght so much that the only thing you can produce are rediculously OP characters / skills. That's just how it goes with these supernatural fighting manga's. Some manage to take it really slow, and keep it refreshing, like One Piece, and is probably loved for it, but in others you can very clearly see the pattern (dragon ball Z). I loved dragonball but severly disliked 'Z', exactly for this reason. The manga wouldve normally ended with freeza I believe, so maybe the author realised what would happen if he went beyond. However, I heard rumors that outsiders convinced him to keep going, and so he did. Even if the author doesn't want to produce OP characters, often there is no other way. And if he wants to stop his manga, the fans, the money or the production company will probably try to convince him otherwise. So yea, you are all unhappy with the piles of shit you are getting right now, but with these supernatural series it is not so easy to create something that keeps being good after so much time.
*introduces Ultimate Susano'o
*next time its shown it disapears
*madara decides not to use it again
WTF was the point of introdcuing it in the first place?
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On July 10 2012 03:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 18:38 []Phase[] wrote:On July 09 2012 10:25 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On July 09 2012 09:57 Heh_ wrote:On July 09 2012 07:50 Supamang wrote:On July 08 2012 19:42 Rob-Zero wrote:On July 08 2012 12:52 Forikorder wrote:On July 08 2012 12:42 furerkip wrote:
I hope either a kage uses the Justu that takes your life away and then kill Madara, but then a Deus Ex Machina comes in and Madara can't actually lose his soul because of bullshit past where he made a deal with the Death God to give his soul in return for the powers he has now so Death God can't take it again. Then he kills all the kages and then Sasuke finds him, does Amaterasu and another justu hidden within it to attack Madara and then Madara dies because he hasn't faced a Sharingan user in a while.
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The 5 kages are actually in Tsukiyomi and Madara isn't as OP as we thought. <--- Cop out which I would prefer to anything Kishi makes up to get rid of Madara. But not likely, just because we need the Madara/Tobi powerload.
Why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any air techniques besides RasenShuriken? why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any techniques but Shadow clone, sage mode and Rasengan? oh ya cause he hasnt cause hes dumb Kuchiyose + Rasen-Shuriken By the way, why does it seem like everyone is complaining about anything, instead of just being happy with what they got ? Plus I think that most of you don´t even pay for it !? Because it started out great and turned to shit. People dont like seeing what they love get turned to shit. Oh and just because its free doesn't mean you should be happy about it. If someone left a piece of shit on your doorstep, you wouldn't be happy about it just because its free. You'd be annoyed.....because its shit. Lesson of the day: nothing about shit should ever make anyone happy. Your analogy is amazingly good. While I agree with his sentiments, the metaphor actually is not good. Instead of someone leaving a piece of shit on your door step, you went to the street corner and took a brown paper bag from some shady guy containing stuff that the guy probably stole. Every bag recently has been filled with shit but you took it anyway. You then came back into your home, tore open the bag, and was disappointed because you thought for sure that this turd was going to be made out of gold this week. Then you posted on the forum about how you received a bag of shit and taking comfort that quite a lot of people got shit from the same guy. Then you spend some time arguing with people who are are scat lovers. But yeah, the out of the big three manga, two are pretty shit by now. Haha that was some funny but accurate shit. now smth unrelated: I think that fighting series in general (and with supernatural in particular) will almost always end up with some OP stuff, because you have to keep impressing your viewers, and you need to keep introducing new characters that are stronger than the previous ones. At a certain point you've upped the level of strenght so much that the only thing you can produce are rediculously OP characters / skills. That's just how it goes with these supernatural fighting manga's. Some manage to take it really slow, and keep it refreshing, like One Piece, and is probably loved for it, but in others you can very clearly see the pattern (dragon ball Z). I loved dragonball but severly disliked 'Z', exactly for this reason. The manga wouldve normally ended with freeza I believe, so maybe the author realised what would happen if he went beyond. However, I heard rumors that outsiders convinced him to keep going, and so he did. Even if the author doesn't want to produce OP characters, often there is no other way. And if he wants to stop his manga, the fans, the money or the production company will probably try to convince him otherwise. So yea, you are all unhappy with the piles of shit you are getting right now, but with these supernatural series it is not so easy to create something that keeps being good after so much time. *introduces Ultimate Susano'o *next time its shown it disapears *madara decides not to use it again WTF was the point of introdcuing it in the first place?
I don't really know why you quoted me here. I suppose it was because I said that the author is forced to keep his characters become stronger, but that if he hadnt introduced susanoo this wouldnt apply? Well thats true... FOR THIS CASE. There are plenty other cases where there is no other option BUT to make the characters stronger. If they WOULDNT make them stronger, there would be no 'risk-factor'. The hero would never be able to lose. Don't pick out one specific case here, what I am saying is that over the general line, the characters HAVE to keep improving. (and eventually turns into OP-ness)
The fact that the author has to introduce something as strong as this current susanoo, shows exactly that the only way for him to still be dangerous, is letting him have a few OP moves. And that's exactly the point : you cant introduce 'weak' characters anymore, because they would just be steamrolled by the kages / naruto. So in a way, he HAS to introduce some OP shit, be it a susanoo, or another OP justsu we might see in the future.
On July 09 2012 23:40 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 23:32 []Phase[] wrote:
ah sorry I meant superpower. Well, you get what I am saying.
I dont agree with the statement that you can prevent stuff from turning into shit when it has been going on for a long time. Every piece (be it movies, books, etc) where there was the impression that there wasent anything bad about it, are where they quit while they were ahead. And this is true for almost anything. Just look at this thread, everyone starts to focus on the bad parts, and in the end the series is known as 'that thing that started out great but was suck near the end', while it couldve been 'that friggin awesome series'. You shouldnt force more content out of something that is already nearly depleted, or already has reached its climax. Obviously they HAVE to finish the story now, and I am happy that they are going to, but if you want the general public opinion about your series to be 'that was a frigging awesome series', then you should end your series in such a way that people crave for more. If as an author you dont really care about the public opinion too much , and just want to tell your story, then you can do whatever you want, but I bet that most authors want their piece to be loved.
Personal opinion about naruto : I still want to see how it all ends, I still enjoy reading it (not as much as reading One Piece or Hajime no Ippo tho), and the only thing I dislike are the OP justus, but ive seen alot worse so I dont care as much anyways. For me Naruto is still a series I like alot, despite the critisism. Yes it has more 'bad' parts now, or rather less awesome parts, but overall I still like it.
Actually there are plenty of examples. One Piece is the manga version. For books, the LOTR series by JRR Tolkien and Harry Potter by JK Rowling have been going strong, much longer (and better) than its counterparts. James Bond is still popular (although not much continuation).
EDIT : misunderstood. hmm, I think for those series, there simply was still unexplored content (they introduced a big world, and thus had a lot of things that couldve been explored). The problem is the extracting of content, so far, that it totally doesnt seem natural anymore. If you introduce a gigantic universe in the first place, there is always some place you can draw new content from, and not make it seem like a total asspull. If you have a small world, or a very limited 'niche' in which the main character (if there is only 1) sits, there is only so much you can do with it, and eventually start pulling in things that totally dont relate to that old 'niche' anymore, and hence, feel like an asspull. Introducing the big ass world first, allows you to always go back and say : 'but hey, remember that part of the world we havent explored yet??'
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On July 10 2012 03:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 18:38 []Phase[] wrote:On July 09 2012 10:25 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On July 09 2012 09:57 Heh_ wrote:On July 09 2012 07:50 Supamang wrote:On July 08 2012 19:42 Rob-Zero wrote:On July 08 2012 12:52 Forikorder wrote:On July 08 2012 12:42 furerkip wrote:
I hope either a kage uses the Justu that takes your life away and then kill Madara, but then a Deus Ex Machina comes in and Madara can't actually lose his soul because of bullshit past where he made a deal with the Death God to give his soul in return for the powers he has now so Death God can't take it again. Then he kills all the kages and then Sasuke finds him, does Amaterasu and another justu hidden within it to attack Madara and then Madara dies because he hasn't faced a Sharingan user in a while.
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The 5 kages are actually in Tsukiyomi and Madara isn't as OP as we thought. <--- Cop out which I would prefer to anything Kishi makes up to get rid of Madara. But not likely, just because we need the Madara/Tobi powerload.
Why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any air techniques besides RasenShuriken? why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any techniques but Shadow clone, sage mode and Rasengan? oh ya cause he hasnt cause hes dumb Kuchiyose + Rasen-Shuriken By the way, why does it seem like everyone is complaining about anything, instead of just being happy with what they got ? Plus I think that most of you don´t even pay for it !? Because it started out great and turned to shit. People dont like seeing what they love get turned to shit. Oh and just because its free doesn't mean you should be happy about it. If someone left a piece of shit on your doorstep, you wouldn't be happy about it just because its free. You'd be annoyed.....because its shit. Lesson of the day: nothing about shit should ever make anyone happy. Your analogy is amazingly good. While I agree with his sentiments, the metaphor actually is not good. Instead of someone leaving a piece of shit on your door step, you went to the street corner and took a brown paper bag from some shady guy containing stuff that the guy probably stole. Every bag recently has been filled with shit but you took it anyway. You then came back into your home, tore open the bag, and was disappointed because you thought for sure that this turd was going to be made out of gold this week. Then you posted on the forum about how you received a bag of shit and taking comfort that quite a lot of people got shit from the same guy. Then you spend some time arguing with people who are are scat lovers. But yeah, the out of the big three manga, two are pretty shit by now. Haha that was some funny but accurate shit. now smth unrelated: I think that fighting series in general (and with supernatural in particular) will almost always end up with some OP stuff, because you have to keep impressing your viewers, and you need to keep introducing new characters that are stronger than the previous ones. At a certain point you've upped the level of strenght so much that the only thing you can produce are rediculously OP characters / skills. That's just how it goes with these supernatural fighting manga's. Some manage to take it really slow, and keep it refreshing, like One Piece, and is probably loved for it, but in others you can very clearly see the pattern (dragon ball Z). I loved dragonball but severly disliked 'Z', exactly for this reason. The manga wouldve normally ended with freeza I believe, so maybe the author realised what would happen if he went beyond. However, I heard rumors that outsiders convinced him to keep going, and so he did. Even if the author doesn't want to produce OP characters, often there is no other way. And if he wants to stop his manga, the fans, the money or the production company will probably try to convince him otherwise. So yea, you are all unhappy with the piles of shit you are getting right now, but with these supernatural series it is not so easy to create something that keeps being good after so much time. *introduces Ultimate Susano'o *next time its shown it disapears *madara decides not to use it again WTF was the point of introdcuing it in the first place?
to show the extent of the abilities madara has? obviously this ark is about madara and if you're forgetting, his name was always hinted at for the entire naruto in various scenarios but no one even had a picture of how he actually looked like nor the depth of his abilities. with him showing that we pretty much have a grasp of how strong he can get and what he's going to possibly resort to if naruto does end up fighting him.
another explanation if you don't believe it has anything to due with the progression of the story
- it's another filler chapter, show some abilities, hype the audience to get indulged in it without anything actually happening to waste a chapter
but i think reason one does say alot, don't forget they have a communication ability where they all can share information. they're going to inevitably tell the guy who's fighting him what the ability is assuming the kages survive. and like we've seen in naruto, if he knows he'll come up with some pull out of his ass strategy that works.
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I don't really know why you quoted me here. I suppose it was because I said that the author is forced to keep his characters become stronger, but that if he hadnt introduced susanoo this wouldnt apply? Well thats true... FOR THIS CASE. There are plenty other cases where there is no other option BUT to make the characters stronger. If they WOULDNT make them stronger, there would be no 'risk-factor'. The hero would never be able to lose. Don't pick out one specific case here, what I am saying is that over the general line, the characters HAVE to keep improving. (and eventually turns into OP-ness)
The fact that the author has to introduce something as strong as this current susanoo, shows exactly that the only way for him to still be dangerous, is letting him have a few OP moves. And that's exactly the point : you cant introduce 'weak' characters anymore, because they would just be steamrolled by the kages / naruto. So in a way, he HAS to introduce some OP shit, be it a susanoo, or another OP justsu we might see in the future.
i have no problem with the scaling but Madara was OP enough without the ultimate Susano'o the author should be trying to keep the scaling at a good pace not add in a susano'o that cuts mountains in half its shit like that that made the fullbring arc happen
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Russian Federation748 Posts
Because it started out great and turned to shit. People dont like seeing what they love get turned to shit.
Do you love cakes ?
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On July 10 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +I don't really know why you quoted me here. I suppose it was because I said that the author is forced to keep his characters become stronger, but that if he hadnt introduced susanoo this wouldnt apply? Well thats true... FOR THIS CASE. There are plenty other cases where there is no other option BUT to make the characters stronger. If they WOULDNT make them stronger, there would be no 'risk-factor'. The hero would never be able to lose. Don't pick out one specific case here, what I am saying is that over the general line, the characters HAVE to keep improving. (and eventually turns into OP-ness)
The fact that the author has to introduce something as strong as this current susanoo, shows exactly that the only way for him to still be dangerous, is letting him have a few OP moves. And that's exactly the point : you cant introduce 'weak' characters anymore, because they would just be steamrolled by the kages / naruto. So in a way, he HAS to introduce some OP shit, be it a susanoo, or another OP justsu we might see in the future. i have no problem with the scaling but Madara was OP enough without the ultimate Susano'o the author should be trying to keep the scaling at a good pace not add in a susano'o that cuts mountains in half its shit like that that made the fullbring arc happen
He should have limited the pacing a long time ago. You realise how strong naruto is right? And imagine if the kages didnt have an 'OP' opponent like they do now, and were just fighting some weakling... What the hell would they still mean? Some bunch who only fights the weak guys? well thats what its gonna turn into, just like with all the other characters of naruto, but I guess they got their last big moment against a strong opponent atleast.
There is not much that can done anymore at this point, but there doesnt have to. The series is supposed to be ending 'soon', because they are fighting the ultimate villains right now. There will have been those OP moments near the end of the series, but the author will probably leave it at that.
This will just be a clash of rediculous OP shit fighting eachother, and to relate to sc bw : in the end it will all balance itself out, we'll still get to see a decent fight, and it will end with that (going any further would probably not be such a good idea, as we've pretty much seen the entire naruto world by now, I guess all thats left is seeing how naruto becomes kage or something, and has his own family)
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On July 10 2012 04:37 []Phase[] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 04:18 Forikorder wrote:I don't really know why you quoted me here. I suppose it was because I said that the author is forced to keep his characters become stronger, but that if he hadnt introduced susanoo this wouldnt apply? Well thats true... FOR THIS CASE. There are plenty other cases where there is no other option BUT to make the characters stronger. If they WOULDNT make them stronger, there would be no 'risk-factor'. The hero would never be able to lose. Don't pick out one specific case here, what I am saying is that over the general line, the characters HAVE to keep improving. (and eventually turns into OP-ness)
The fact that the author has to introduce something as strong as this current susanoo, shows exactly that the only way for him to still be dangerous, is letting him have a few OP moves. And that's exactly the point : you cant introduce 'weak' characters anymore, because they would just be steamrolled by the kages / naruto. So in a way, he HAS to introduce some OP shit, be it a susanoo, or another OP justsu we might see in the future. i have no problem with the scaling but Madara was OP enough without the ultimate Susano'o the author should be trying to keep the scaling at a good pace not add in a susano'o that cuts mountains in half its shit like that that made the fullbring arc happen He should have limited the pacing a long time ago. You realise how strong naruto is right? And imagine if the kages didnt have an 'OP' opponent like they do now, and were just fighting some weakling... What the hell would they still mean? Some bunch who only fights the weak guys? well thats what its gonna turn into, just like with all the other characters of naruto, but I guess they got their last big moment against a strong opponent atleast. There is not much that can done anymore at this point, but there doesnt have to. The series is supposed to be ending 'soon', because they are fighting the ultimate villains right now. There will have been those OP moments near the end of the series, but the author will probably leave it at that. This will just be a clash of rediculous OP shit fighting eachother, and to relate to sc bw : in the end it will all balance itself out, we'll still get to see a decent fight, and it will end with that (going any further would probably not be such a good idea, as we've pretty much seen the entire naruto world by now, I guess all thats left is seeing how naruto becomes kage or something, and has his own family)
it wouldnt be a problem if the uktimate Susano'o was something Madara needed to win but he doesnt hes been mopping the floor with them since it started and was confindent enough to even toy around with them a little and decided not to even use the ultimate Susano'o
so whats the point of it being in the series at all?
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to show how incredibly boring and OP the sharingan is
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On July 10 2012 03:57 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 18:38 []Phase[] wrote:On July 09 2012 10:25 ddrddrddrddr wrote:On July 09 2012 09:57 Heh_ wrote:On July 09 2012 07:50 Supamang wrote:On July 08 2012 19:42 Rob-Zero wrote:On July 08 2012 12:52 Forikorder wrote:On July 08 2012 12:42 furerkip wrote:
I hope either a kage uses the Justu that takes your life away and then kill Madara, but then a Deus Ex Machina comes in and Madara can't actually lose his soul because of bullshit past where he made a deal with the Death God to give his soul in return for the powers he has now so Death God can't take it again. Then he kills all the kages and then Sasuke finds him, does Amaterasu and another justu hidden within it to attack Madara and then Madara dies because he hasn't faced a Sharingan user in a while.
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The 5 kages are actually in Tsukiyomi and Madara isn't as OP as we thought. <--- Cop out which I would prefer to anything Kishi makes up to get rid of Madara. But not likely, just because we need the Madara/Tobi powerload.
Why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any air techniques besides RasenShuriken? why does it seem like Naruto has never learned any techniques but Shadow clone, sage mode and Rasengan? oh ya cause he hasnt cause hes dumb Kuchiyose + Rasen-Shuriken By the way, why does it seem like everyone is complaining about anything, instead of just being happy with what they got ? Plus I think that most of you don´t even pay for it !? Because it started out great and turned to shit. People dont like seeing what they love get turned to shit. Oh and just because its free doesn't mean you should be happy about it. If someone left a piece of shit on your doorstep, you wouldn't be happy about it just because its free. You'd be annoyed.....because its shit. Lesson of the day: nothing about shit should ever make anyone happy. Your analogy is amazingly good. While I agree with his sentiments, the metaphor actually is not good. Instead of someone leaving a piece of shit on your door step, you went to the street corner and took a brown paper bag from some shady guy containing stuff that the guy probably stole. Every bag recently has been filled with shit but you took it anyway. You then came back into your home, tore open the bag, and was disappointed because you thought for sure that this turd was going to be made out of gold this week. Then you posted on the forum about how you received a bag of shit and taking comfort that quite a lot of people got shit from the same guy. Then you spend some time arguing with people who are are scat lovers. But yeah, the out of the big three manga, two are pretty shit by now. Haha that was some funny but accurate shit. now smth unrelated: I think that fighting series in general (and with supernatural in particular) will almost always end up with some OP stuff, because you have to keep impressing your viewers, and you need to keep introducing new characters that are stronger than the previous ones. At a certain point you've upped the level of strenght so much that the only thing you can produce are rediculously OP characters / skills. That's just how it goes with these supernatural fighting manga's. Some manage to take it really slow, and keep it refreshing, like One Piece, and is probably loved for it, but in others you can very clearly see the pattern (dragon ball Z). I loved dragonball but severly disliked 'Z', exactly for this reason. The manga wouldve normally ended with freeza I believe, so maybe the author realised what would happen if he went beyond. However, I heard rumors that outsiders convinced him to keep going, and so he did. Even if the author doesn't want to produce OP characters, often there is no other way. And if he wants to stop his manga, the fans, the money or the production company will probably try to convince him otherwise. So yea, you are all unhappy with the piles of shit you are getting right now, but with these supernatural series it is not so easy to create something that keeps being good after so much time. *introduces Ultimate Susano'o *next time its shown it disapears *madara decides not to use it again WTF was the point of introdcuing it in the first place?
The ultimate(or perfect or final) wasn't new or introduced there. It's called that When the susano'o is complete with armor. There is lots or diffrent stages of the susano'o, from just ribs to skeleton to fullbody etc. Check it out at http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Susanoo .
Madara's was just so big because he has soooooo much chakra.
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well that was pretty gay.
+ Show Spoiler +sasuke is probably going to go and talk to either dragon sages or his parents.
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i thought oru s soul was sealed by itachi?????
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Uhm...so...someone is a fan of Harry Potter. And Sasuke's still a dick, oh well.
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wow what a useless chapter
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Oro returning and wilingly helping Sasuke..heh
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interesting. at least theres actually some character development.
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Still don't understand why/how Orochimaru is back... Pretty bad chapter imo.
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On July 10 2012 04:26 Kyrillion wrote:Show nested quote +Because it started out great and turned to shit. People dont like seeing what they love get turned to shit. Do you love cakes ?
I love you.
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