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On February 08 2012 22:03 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 21:58 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. Naruto is different from the start of the series, but some of the characteristics must be there throughout the series because that's just his personality. His way of ninja have never changed - and have been enforced constantly. His goofiness is what we have learned to love and hate. Gaara is far from the only person that acknowledes Naruto. Iruka was the first person to do so. You also have Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Hinata, Kiba, Neji and all the other shinobi's on his age. Recently the citizens of Konoha see Naruto as a hero when he saved the hidden leaf after defeating Nagato, a fellow Uzumaki. I don't think he got the respect he has now because of the Nine Tails power, but rather for being able to control his biju and using the power for the greater good for the world. I didn't say Gaara is the only one -_- i said he was the only one who respect naruto for a legit reason. Iruka is the only one whom respect naruto from the beginning so it doesn't count. I'm asking about people who CHANGED their attitude toward naruto. They seems to suddenly changed their opinion on him as a person because he used the OP nine tails and save the villages which is irrelevent and black/white as hell.
I know you didn't say he was the only one, I just wanted to state that there are many that acknowledge him. And you asked "So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto?" Not people who changed their attitude towards Naruto. But I can answer that question. Why is it irrelevant that people changed their opinion of him because he saved the villiage? If Taliban saved the US from destruction then the americans will praise them. The same applies to Naruto. The citizens of Konoha sees Naruto as a hero because he prevented the death (and brought back the life) of thousands of people. I don't get if that's so hard to accept.
The more lives he saves (which also is because of Naruto has the power of the Nine Tails) the more people will start to love and acknowledge him.
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I agree, these sorts of things is something that you should have had figured out several hundreds of chapters ago :> The psychological view of the manga is pretty clear, and it's also decently clear why Sasuke hates the village / world. :p
This chapter was "okish" it was just a average chapter to start building up for the final fight between Naruto and Sasuke. My hopes are really high for that fight, it'll be the crescendo for what's been going on since Sasuke left Konoha. I also hope that he can reasonably explain who's going to be the next "villain" without having to invent too many new characters, Kabuto comes to mind.
Question: Do you think Naruto / Sasuke will die? Even if it's just a fake death like when Konoha got stomped by Pein.
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On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something.
Well the kids didn't know but the parents did. The parents all told their children to stay away from naruto because they thought he was dangerous and blamed him for the damage the Kyuubi caused. So the parents' view of Naruto kinda carried over to their children.
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On February 08 2012 22:15 colate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:03 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. Naruto is different from the start of the series, but some of the characteristics must be there throughout the series because that's just his personality. His way of ninja have never changed - and have been enforced constantly. His goofiness is what we have learned to love and hate. Gaara is far from the only person that acknowledes Naruto. Iruka was the first person to do so. You also have Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Hinata, Kiba, Neji and all the other shinobi's on his age. Recently the citizens of Konoha see Naruto as a hero when he saved the hidden leaf after defeating Nagato, a fellow Uzumaki. I don't think he got the respect he has now because of the Nine Tails power, but rather for being able to control his biju and using the power for the greater good for the world. I didn't say Gaara is the only one -_- i said he was the only one who respect naruto for a legit reason. Iruka is the only one whom respect naruto from the beginning so it doesn't count. I'm asking about people who CHANGED their attitude toward naruto. They seems to suddenly changed their opinion on him as a person because he used the OP nine tails and save the villages which is irrelevent and black/white as hell. I know you didn't say he was the only one, I just wanted to state that there are many that acknowledge him. And you asked "So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto?" Not people who changed their attitude towards Naruto. But I can answer that question. Why is it irrelevant that people changed their opinion of him because he saved the villiage? If Taliban saved the US from destruction then the americans will praise them. The same applies to Naruto. The citizens of Konoha sees Naruto as a hero because he prevented the death (and brought back the life) of thousands of people. I don't get if that's so hard to accept. The more lives he saves (which also is because of Naruto has the power of the Nine Tails) the more people will start to love and acknowledge him.
Well, if that's the case then i don't like where it is going.
But what you're saying is what we called being thankful? not respecting them as a person which is what everyone seems to be doing.
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On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something.
You got to keep in mind that the parents hated naruto because of the biju inside him. Therefore the kids were not allowed to play with him (except Choji, Shikamaru which we have seen play with him in flashbacks). Because of this Naruto seeked attention which caused people to dislike him.
You see stuff to black and white. You got to consider everything he have done in between the start of the series and the present. You are missing out on everything in this series.
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On February 08 2012 22:19 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:15 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 22:03 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. Naruto is different from the start of the series, but some of the characteristics must be there throughout the series because that's just his personality. His way of ninja have never changed - and have been enforced constantly. His goofiness is what we have learned to love and hate. Gaara is far from the only person that acknowledes Naruto. Iruka was the first person to do so. You also have Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Hinata, Kiba, Neji and all the other shinobi's on his age. Recently the citizens of Konoha see Naruto as a hero when he saved the hidden leaf after defeating Nagato, a fellow Uzumaki. I don't think he got the respect he has now because of the Nine Tails power, but rather for being able to control his biju and using the power for the greater good for the world. I didn't say Gaara is the only one -_- i said he was the only one who respect naruto for a legit reason. Iruka is the only one whom respect naruto from the beginning so it doesn't count. I'm asking about people who CHANGED their attitude toward naruto. They seems to suddenly changed their opinion on him as a person because he used the OP nine tails and save the villages which is irrelevent and black/white as hell. I know you didn't say he was the only one, I just wanted to state that there are many that acknowledge him. And you asked "So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto?" Not people who changed their attitude towards Naruto. But I can answer that question. Why is it irrelevant that people changed their opinion of him because he saved the villiage? If Taliban saved the US from destruction then the americans will praise them. The same applies to Naruto. The citizens of Konoha sees Naruto as a hero because he prevented the death (and brought back the life) of thousands of people. I don't get if that's so hard to accept. The more lives he saves (which also is because of Naruto has the power of the Nine Tails) the more people will start to love and acknowledge him. Well, if that's the case then i don't like where it is going. But what you're saying is what we called being thankful? not respecting them as a person which is what everyone seems to be doing.
I don't get where you are going.
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On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something.
Well, he was the worst student in the class and their parent told them to not associate with him. So they never hated him. They never wanted him to die. They just though he was the annoying class clown that was a terrible ninja. And they were kids....lol kids are like that. He was probably can be compared to the annoying gingered kid that smells kinda funny in the front that everyone try to avoid because they be "uncool." The parent are the one that hated him because he contained the beast that killed a large number of their friends and family.
For the sage mode thingy, he pretty much did learn it on his own. He didnt really use any of the 9 tail power to learn it (not intentionally). Also, there was also something about nature chakra not being able to combine with 9 tails chakra. Beside he has the 9 tails in him, so the 9tails will some time indirectly help him a little here and there because the 9 tails doesnt want to die. I am pretty sure after the incident which he almost killed Sakura with the 9 tails power, he was pretty scared and didnt want to use the 9 tails power. The things is is that he didnt relied on the 9 tails power or ask him at all to defeat pain.
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On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious.
The nine-tails was a big part of Naruto's win. Are you sure you're not trolling?
Not only did Pain use up a lot of energy to destroy Konoha, but he beat Naruto twice and each time the Nine-Tails saved him.
The reason people started respecting him and looking up to him was because he was growing more powerful, and for some characters, because of his beliefs. The only ones who respected him regardless of power were Iruka and most the villains of the series.
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On February 08 2012 22:20 colate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something. You got to keep in mind that the parents hated naruto because of the biju inside him. Therefore the kids were not allowed to play with him (except Choji, Shikamaru which we have seen play with him in flashbacks). Because of this Naruto seeked attention which caused people to dislike him. You see stuff to black and white. You got to consider everything he have done in between the start of the series and the present. You are missing out on everything in this series.
Actually i have already taken that into consideration, but that doesn't explain why the overwhelming respect he gets (AS A PERSON) because he saved the village (attention gotten).
Blah, people still don't get what i'm saying, maybe i'm just bad at representing my opinion. I'm out.
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On February 08 2012 22:29 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The nine-tails was a big part of Naruto's win. Are you sure you're not trolling? Not only did Pain use up a lot of energy to destroy Konoha, but he beat Naruto twice and each time the Nine-Tails saved him. The reason people started respecting him and looking up to him was because he was growing more powerful, and for some characters, because of his beliefs. The only ones who respected him regardless of power were Iruka and most the villains of the series.
Actually this part represent my opinion almost exactly, some villain respect him as a person because of all the flash back + blah blah blah, but naruto seems randomly to obtain his respect with people that he has almost no impact on (other than saving their lives) just because he's powerful
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Maybe I don't understand your point but singlehandedly saving your entire village seems like a pretty quick way to gain respect for me : P
Also I wonder if Tobi is gonna make Sasuke a host. It seems like he won't have a chance otherwise. Maybe Sasuke will kill Bee and take the hachibi?
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On February 08 2012 22:29 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:20 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something. You got to keep in mind that the parents hated naruto because of the biju inside him. Therefore the kids were not allowed to play with him (except Choji, Shikamaru which we have seen play with him in flashbacks). Because of this Naruto seeked attention which caused people to dislike him. You see stuff to black and white. You got to consider everything he have done in between the start of the series and the present. You are missing out on everything in this series. Actually i have already taken that into consideration, but that doesn't explain why the overwhelming respect he gets (AS A PERSON) because he saved the village (attention gotten). Blah, people still don't get what i'm saying, maybe i'm just bad at representing my opinion. I'm out.
OK this is the definition of RESPECT. I googled this
Respect- (n) A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
Ability- We can all agree that he is strong so I am pretty sure he has many ability (9 tails, sage mode etc etc) to RESPECT
Qualities - He has a strong sense of justice and helping people which many can RESPECT
Achievements - He saved the village, beat zabuza, tamed the 9 tails etc etc....and defeated pain to gain RESPECT
So with all these achievement, qualities and ability that naruto has that labeled him as a great ninja, you dont believe he deserve respect or recognition for all that he has done as a ninja?
So ugh? You sir, do you know what respect is? I am beginning to think this is troll lol I am out for now.
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Naruto has had his personality ENORMOUSLY changed since the start of the manga, I have no idea what you're talking about with him having the same personality. Sure some of the traits of that personality is still the same, how could they not be? But not saying that he's changed is preposterous.
He grew up without any parents / anyone really looking after him. He hurts when thus seeing others who happily have parents / loved ones who care about each other, he can't understand why he doesn't have anyone who cares about him. He feels that he must've done something wrong to deserve the treatment that he's getting, but he doesn't know why "Why me, why am I hated, why am I alone" etc etc.
Being a child he lashes out with fury at the world, and desperately tries to get in contact with other people using whatever means that he can (pranks etc). That's when he "confirms" for the parents / children that he is indeed unstable and "evil".
From the parents view: This child has the demon fox inside of him, thus he is unstable, possibly dangerous. They also carry the scars with them for the people who got killed by the demon fox. It's thus not hard to take their hatred for the fox and put it in Naruto. They naturally don't want their kids to hang around him for obvious reasons. He then confirms their feelings that he's "bad" when he does his pranks like painting the hokages etc. Thus they resent him even more, and really don't want their kids to hang around him.
The kids probably at the start see a normal, average kid, maybe a bit loud. Then their parents take them away from him, and warn them for spending time together with Naruto. That's when they get influenced and believe that oh, he is different thus bad etc. Bullying commences, although not in any physical form. Not sure if you can call it actually bullying, but meh you know what I mean hopefully :p
If you think about this lonely, angry kid and look at the Naruto today.. a lot has changed, for everyone :o
I don't wanna get into Sasuke, but the psychology in Naruto is really good imo. Not awesome, but it's pretty clear. I also recommend watching / reading about Narutos fight with Gaara, that's when he mentions a lot of these things. Also another huge change was when Naruto experienced death in the form of his master / the people of Konoha etc.
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On February 08 2012 22:34 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:29 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:20 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something. You got to keep in mind that the parents hated naruto because of the biju inside him. Therefore the kids were not allowed to play with him (except Choji, Shikamaru which we have seen play with him in flashbacks). Because of this Naruto seeked attention which caused people to dislike him. You see stuff to black and white. You got to consider everything he have done in between the start of the series and the present. You are missing out on everything in this series. Actually i have already taken that into consideration, but that doesn't explain why the overwhelming respect he gets (AS A PERSON) because he saved the village (attention gotten). Blah, people still don't get what i'm saying, maybe i'm just bad at representing my opinion. I'm out. OK this is the definition of RESPECT. I googled this Respect- (n) A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. Ability- We can all agree that he is strong so I am pretty sure he has many ability (9 tails, sage mode etc etc) to RESPECT Qualities - He has a strong sense of justice and helping people which many can RESPECT Achievements - He saved the village, beat zabuza, tamed the 9 tails etc etc....and defeated pain to gain RESPECT So with all these achievement, qualities and ability that naruto has that labeled him as a great ninja, you dont believe he deserve respect or recognition for all that he has done as a ninja? So ugh? You sir, do you know what respect is? I am beginning to think this is troll lol I am out for now.
stop calling people when you obviously understand nothing what i'm saying.
Ofc you can respect a person both for their ability and their personality. BUT i did emphasized these characters seems to respect Naruto as a person because aparrently he's powerful and saves everyone. SO my problems with it is they respect Naruto as a PERSON for a completely irrelevent reason.
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Are you talking about the average village-guy in Konoha or who are you actually talking about specifically?
Uhm, how can you ignore what he's done? You can't just say that peoples reasons for respecting him are irrelevant, sure they might be irrelevant to YOU but that's a whole different matter. You're not putting yourself in their position, or thinking of why they think like they do hard enough. They respect him as a PERSON for his actions, which symbolizes his self and personality.
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On February 08 2012 22:39 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:34 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 22:29 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:20 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something. You got to keep in mind that the parents hated naruto because of the biju inside him. Therefore the kids were not allowed to play with him (except Choji, Shikamaru which we have seen play with him in flashbacks). Because of this Naruto seeked attention which caused people to dislike him. You see stuff to black and white. You got to consider everything he have done in between the start of the series and the present. You are missing out on everything in this series. Actually i have already taken that into consideration, but that doesn't explain why the overwhelming respect he gets (AS A PERSON) because he saved the village (attention gotten). Blah, people still don't get what i'm saying, maybe i'm just bad at representing my opinion. I'm out. OK this is the definition of RESPECT. I googled this Respect- (n) A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. Ability- We can all agree that he is strong so I am pretty sure he has many ability (9 tails, sage mode etc etc) to RESPECT Qualities - He has a strong sense of justice and helping people which many can RESPECT Achievements - He saved the village, beat zabuza, tamed the 9 tails etc etc....and defeated pain to gain RESPECT So with all these achievement, qualities and ability that naruto has that labeled him as a great ninja, you dont believe he deserve respect or recognition for all that he has done as a ninja? So ugh? You sir, do you know what respect is? I am beginning to think this is troll lol I am out for now. stop calling people when you obviously understand nothing what i'm saying. Ofc you can respect a person both for their ability and their personality. BUT i did emphasized these characters seems to respect Naruto as a person because aparrently he's powerful and saves everyone. SO my problems with it is they respect Naruto as a PERSON for a completely irrelevent reason.
But that is what make him who he is...lol. Anyways, I listed the definition of respect and I listed quality, abiilitys and achievements of him that make him more then enough of a person to respect. I dont know what else to say here and I dont see what this "irrelevant" reason is.
To say he doesnt or shouldnt get respect, is to say he doesnt and havent done or have any of the qualities, abilities and achievement to get respect. Which mean he isnt Naruto. You sure you arent a troll?
Edit:
Past naruto
Quality - Annoying, attention whore
Ability - none (almost to none before he learn Kage bushin)
Achievement - None
Does he deserve respect then? No. Does he deserve respect now? Probably....
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On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something.
Usually when someone saves your village from getting shit smashed people start revering that person. For me personally if someone who I previously hated saved me from getting hit by a bus I would reconsider my opinion of them.
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On February 08 2012 22:47 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 22:39 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:34 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 22:29 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:20 colate wrote:On February 08 2012 22:14 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 22:06 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:58 brachester wrote:On February 08 2012 21:51 SheaR619 wrote:On February 08 2012 21:43 brachester wrote:
alright people, need your opinion on this one. Is it just me or Naruto got the respect he's having now because of the Nine Tail power, not because of himself? All of these talk about Naruto has "grown up" has always seems very random to me. As far as Naruto's characters go, he has never changed from the beginning till the latest manga and he was hated back in the first couple of chapters (always the annoying but "loveable" guy). So what actually changed their opinion on Naruto? Gaara is an exception because he actually respect naruto for a legit reason. The ability to control the 9-tails is already a great feet and he didnt even need the 9-tails power to defeat Pain. Pain was able to defeat the ENTIRE village and naruto, himself, was able to defeat pain with just sage mode. Even without the 9-tails, he still at the lvl of pain which is probably one of the strongest akataski member. Being able to control the strongest tailed beast that has been pretty much uncontrollable and fully utilized its power isnt enough to be recognized? By grow up, it doesnt have to be him litterally "growing up" getting taller etc etc. It can just mean that they are surprise at how far he has come basically his "growth" from being the village outcast to the hero. i used the word grown up just because i couldnt' find any better word lol. But what i'm saying is everyone in the manga seems to respect Naruto as a person which is oppose to everyone hates him at the beginning, but as far as i'm concern there are literally zero character development, he's still the same person from billion chapters ago but people's attitude toward him seems changed for no reason. They hated him because they didnt understand him because they were scared of him. The point is, is that he didnt change to please the people around him. He never done anything wrong. What is there to change? Except the whole graffti thing but that was kinda a way to get back at them. He didnt really change much, he was just able to make people see him for who he really was instead of the Tale beast keeper. Before, everyone hated him because he was the tale beast keeper and now people see him as the ninja called Naruto. Dont forget, he defeated pain WITHOUT the power of the 9tails. So that was naruto that defeated the 9tails and NOT the 9tails beast keepers. Your not trolling right? lol these seems kinda obvious. The kids didn't know he was a Nine Tail Keeper (forgot the name), they hated him because of his personality. And yes he did use the power of the Nine Tail to defeat Pain because without it he wouldnt even be able to master the Sage mode that quick. So after all, a same person with the same personality, was hated back then and now loved, that's the not obvious part. That's why i'm asking why did they change their opinion on a person whom has changed nothing or i'm missing out something. You got to keep in mind that the parents hated naruto because of the biju inside him. Therefore the kids were not allowed to play with him (except Choji, Shikamaru which we have seen play with him in flashbacks). Because of this Naruto seeked attention which caused people to dislike him. You see stuff to black and white. You got to consider everything he have done in between the start of the series and the present. You are missing out on everything in this series. Actually i have already taken that into consideration, but that doesn't explain why the overwhelming respect he gets (AS A PERSON) because he saved the village (attention gotten). Blah, people still don't get what i'm saying, maybe i'm just bad at representing my opinion. I'm out. OK this is the definition of RESPECT. I googled this Respect- (n) A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements. Ability- We can all agree that he is strong so I am pretty sure he has many ability (9 tails, sage mode etc etc) to RESPECT Qualities - He has a strong sense of justice and helping people which many can RESPECT Achievements - He saved the village, beat zabuza, tamed the 9 tails etc etc....and defeated pain to gain RESPECT So with all these achievement, qualities and ability that naruto has that labeled him as a great ninja, you dont believe he deserve respect or recognition for all that he has done as a ninja? So ugh? You sir, do you know what respect is? I am beginning to think this is troll lol I am out for now. stop calling people when you obviously understand nothing what i'm saying. Ofc you can respect a person both for their ability and their personality. BUT i did emphasized these characters seems to respect Naruto as a person because aparrently he's powerful and saves everyone. SO my problems with it is they respect Naruto as a PERSON for a completely irrelevent reason. But that is what make him who he is...lol. Anyways, I listed the definition of respect and I listed quality, abiilitys and achievements of him that make him more then enough of a person to respect. I dont know what else to say here and I dont see what this "irrelevant" reason is. To say he doesnt or shouldnt get respect, is to say he doesnt and havent done or have any of the qualities, abilities and achievement to get respect. Which mean he isnt Naruto. You sure you arent a troll? Edit: Past naruto Quality - Annoying, attention whore Ability - none (almost to none before he learn Kage bushin) Achievement - None Does he deserve respect then? No. Does he deserve respect now? Probably....
He is pretty ignorant. Alot of people here have answered his questions, which are all perfectly valid and correct, still he doesn't accept it. I hope he is a troll - for his sake.
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They are prolonging sasuke coming to battle for SOOOOOOOOOOOOO LONG
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Compared to the last few chapters, this was extremely disappointing.
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